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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Crystal G]
    #23559448 - 08/20/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

$50 a week for food is pretty slim, come on.

3 meals a day, 7 days a week. Thats less than $2 per meal.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23559455 - 08/20/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Typical progressive argument: communism hasn't worked becuase the right people haven't done it correctly, if only we could do it here in the US with democrats in charge, it would work, I tell ya! Bernie 2016!




You cant follow an argument to save your life.

Its not that the wrong people tried it, its that it hasnt actually been tried.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23559461 - 08/20/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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hostileuniverse said:
Typical progressive argument: communism hasn't worked becuase the right people haven't done it correctly, if only we could do it here in the US with democrats in charge, it would work, I tell ya! Bernie 2016!




You cant follow an argument to save your life.

Its not that the wrong people tried it, its that it hasnt actually been tried.




Lol, you just proved my point


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23559503 - 08/20/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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$50 a week for food is pretty slim, come on.

3 meals a day, 7 days a week. Thats less than $2 per meal.




I personally eat 2 meals a day because I don't get hungry for breakfast, which I'm sure saves me money. But I listed plenty of ways he could easily make it on less than $30 a week and still eat healthy.

Rice, beans, kale, chicken thighs, eggs, bagels, whole-wheat pasta, beans, hot dogs, certain cuts of pork, tomatoes, etc.

He can buy 1lb of chicken thighs for 99 cents, which is roughly 6 chicken thighs. Assuming he eats 2 chicken thighs for dinner, that comes out to roughly 33 cents per meal.
He can buy a dozen eggs for 99 cents. 3 eggs is plenty for 1 breakfast, which amounts to roughly 25 cents for breakfast per meal.
Bagels and bread is roughly $2 per loaf (roughly 20 slices of bread, or 6 bagels in a bag). Making 1 sandwich uses up about 20 cents, or eating 1 bagel for breakfast costs 66 cents per meal.
A bushel of kale is 99 cents. If he uses this as a side, it'll last roughly 1 week, so about 17 cents per meal.
Pasta, even whole wheat, is roughly $1 per packet. People use between 1/6th to 1/3rd of the packet in a single serving, so assuming he uses 1/3rd, it's about 33 cents per meal.
Rice is about $1.50 per lb. That comes with 10 1/2 cup servings. Assuming you use it as a side and not as your main course, it'll be 15 cents per meal. Your meal would be even cheaper if you used rice as the main course.

And of course, things like rice would be significantly cheaper if you purchased in bulk online. You could buy 10lb bags for less than $10, and that would last you months.

Do you realize, if he had eggs or a bagel for breakfast he would only spend a fraction of a dollar (between a quarter and 3 quarters roughly), and if he made a sandwich for lunch he would use $1 or maybe $2 depending on what he put in it, and if he made chicken thighs and rice and kale for dinner, that comes out to under $1 for his dinner?

That comes out to roughly $21 a week. Hell, I'll even bump it up to $25 because the cost of oil and seasonings which are not cheap. But usually you make a $10 purchase and it lasts you a while, between several weeks to several months depending on what it is.

If you can't make it on $50 a week, you don't know how to shop or you don't know how to cook.

Seriously, assuming you ate eggs and a sandwich for breakfast and lunch, that actually leaves you with closer to $5 for dinner. With $5 at a grocery store for a single meal, I can eat good quality fish, or even beef. Hell, there are places where I can buy a 6oz lobster tail for $5.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23559575 - 08/20/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Typical progressive argument: communism hasn't worked becuase the right people haven't done it correctly, if only we could do it here in the US with democrats in charge, it would work, I tell ya! Bernie 2016!




Bernie doesn't want communism he is a social democrat, he wants state regulated capitalism


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
    #23559618 - 08/20/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Typical progressive argument: communism hasn't worked becuase the right people haven't done it correctly, if only we could do it here in the US with democrats in charge, it would work, I tell ya! Bernie 2016!




Bernie doesn't want communism he is a social democrat, he wants state regulated capitalism




The goal of socialism is communism

Whenever you have one all powerful centralized authority, bad shit is gonna happen


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23559630 - 08/20/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
Typical progressive argument: communism hasn't worked becuase the right people haven't done it correctly, if only we could do it here in the US with democrats in charge, it would work, I tell ya! Bernie 2016!




You cant follow an argument to save your life.

Its not that the wrong people tried it, its that it hasnt actually been tried.




Lol, you just proved my point




And what point is that?


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 4
    #23559634 - 08/20/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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anthiawe said:
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hostileuniverse said:
Typical progressive argument: communism hasn't worked becuase the right people haven't done it correctly, if only we could do it here in the US with democrats in charge, it would work, I tell ya! Bernie 2016!




Bernie doesn't want communism he is a social democrat, he wants state regulated capitalism




The goal of socialism is communism

Whenever you have one all powerful centralized authority, bad shit is gonna happen




:doublefacepalm:


Can you do us all a favor and read some relevant books?

Im so tired of squanderung every single opportunity for political discussion on this forum because we all have to hold your hand through basic concepts like the differences between the major economic theories.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23559931 - 08/20/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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He already did in the quote you posted, Mr. Fittingname.




No he didn't.
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hostileuniverse said:
Typical progressive argument: communism hasn't worked becuase the right people haven't done it correctly, if only we could do it here in the US with democrats in charge, it would work, I tell ya! Bernie 2016!




You cant follow an argument to save your life.

Its not that the wrong people tried it, its that it hasnt actually been tried.



Yes it has.  Chinese communism was tested rurally in areas that were called soviets.  They used principles straight out of Marx's manifesto.  They studied the shit out of capitalism so they knew what they could get away with and couldn't when it was implemented.  To say that communism wasn't really communism because it was never implemented is highly innacurate.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: lowbrow]
    #23559935 - 08/20/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

of course communism has been tried, progressives need to claim it hasn't because they can't accept the fact that it causes misery and suffering and is an utter failure...


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23559970 - 08/20/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

communism has never been tried because the so called communist states never dissolved their government and allowed communism. "communist" states with a heavy handed government aren't communist. soviets were not, north korea is not, china is not, etc, etc. They were searching for ways to regulate capitalism to move toward communism (at least in rhetoric, i question when any upper classes get control and talk of helping the people). We are all looking for something better but the bullshit we are fed on the left side and the right side never actually amount to helping everyone. Capitalist threory and or commuunism/socialism are both taught to us through education systems dominated by elites, on BOTH sides of the debate. of course they arent going to make things better for everyone. Its a real big set up.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23559982 - 08/20/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The goal of socialism is communism

Whenever you have one all powerful centralized authority, bad shit is gonna happen



goddamn, can you read? at all? he's even told you about what Marx wrote. you haven't fucking read it. he has.

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They used principles straight out of Marx's manifesto.  They studied the shit out of capitalism so they knew what they could get away with and couldn't when it was implemented.  To say that communism wasn't really communism because it was never implemented is highly innacurate.




to say they used "principles" from said manifesto, but then to admit they didn't really follow it ad verbatim, kinda shows how inaccurate your claims are, within your own words themselves.

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No he didn't.




yes, he did.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
    #23559997 - 08/20/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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communism has never been tried because the so called communist states never dissolved their government and allowed communism. "communist" states with a heavy handed government aren't communist. soviets were not, north korea is not, china is not, etc, etc. They were searching for ways to regulate capitalism to move toward communism (at least in rhetoric, i question when any upper classes get control and talk of helping the people). We are all looking for something better but the bullshit we are fed on the left side and the right side never actually amount to helping everyone. Capitalist threory and or commuunism/socialism are both taught to us through education systems dominated by elites, on BOTH sides of the debate. of course they arent going to make things better for everyone. Its a real big set up.



Ever heard of the czar?  KMT?  Chiang kai shek?


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23560002 - 08/20/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sorry but I don't even bother to read your posts, I think they lower my IQ.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: lowbrow]
    #23560021 - 08/20/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

none of whom dissolved government.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
    #23560024 - 08/20/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

czar was before communism was political theory, chiang kei shek was a chinese nationalist who mao fought against and overthrew, his last strong hold was Taiwan. KMT referring to his political party?


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: lowbrow]
    #23560028 - 08/20/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

good luck ever trying to come correct.

i repeat: "to say they used "principles" from said manifesto, but then to admit they didn't really follow it ad verbatim, kinda shows how inaccurate your claims are, within your own words themselves."

ie, if they didn't use a set of instructions accurately, and only picked what principals to adhere and then choose which principals or concepts not to adhere to, then by your own definition, they did not really implement what you say was implemented. they only implemented what they wanted, not what was instructed.

also, according the Marxist perspective, Capitalism will naturally get itself into Socialism, and then Communism. no need to take over, naturally.

he was wrong. but people still can't seem to grasp what anything it is they are talking about means.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
    #23560033 - 08/20/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

the manifesto is more of critique of capitalism than a set of instructions to achieve socialism. If you would like to understand his vision of transition from capitalism to communism read Marx's article "on the Jewish Question".


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: twighead]
    #23560035 - 08/20/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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:rofl: Debating this topic is fucking hilarious,

> Explains why so called historical communisms were nothing but authoritarian top down wealth/power/ego schemes and communism has never existed nor even been attempted to be implemented

> Somebody writes USSR

> Repeat




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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe] * 2
    #23560042 - 08/20/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

unfortunatley political and economic theoretical knowledge is fogged by hegemony - party, sports, and intoxicant cultures. hard to have a pin pointed discussion when the theories need to be clarified, then nobody stays with it or simply dont care what the theories are that are being put into action.


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