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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: twighead]
    #23554235 - 08/18/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That costs alot, and it relies on people being reverent to the public. In my expeiance, people rightfully look out for their own interests.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23554249 - 08/18/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

In my experience, a strong community is a powerful enough force to support its own well being. Every town I've lived in, in the PNW has been beautiful and well kept, because the people here give a shit about the place they live. While entities made up of selfish individualists cannot achieve anything of greater value beyond than their own hollow whims.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: twighead]
    #23554276 - 08/18/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe my view is skewed because my town is a corps. My state is a corps for the most part.
someone I know said everyhere is like that
Ive givin up on community here. noone wants it, they just want their arms filled and life to be ove
that isnt me, at all, I should say.

we are about to get a new, enormous death home for old people. we must want to be like the midwestern florida or something


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #23554287 - 08/18/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Places with no optimism and drive decay and die from the inside out. There is no characterization, little nature, little culture, and littler inspiration in most of the midwest I've been through... I know its not all bad... but of having traveled most of the country, only a handful of places - the vast majority of them in the far west have appealed to me. People have a zest for making everything around us kick ass here.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: twighead]
    #23554321 - 08/18/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Places with no optimism and drive decay and die from the inside out. There is no characterization, little nature, little culture, and littler inspiration in most of the midwest I've been through... I know its not all bad... but of having traveled most of the country, only a handful of places - the vast majority of them in the far west have appealed to me. People have a zest for making everything around us kick ass here.



Its just a new place, decay will set in.
Id rther live here then, say, LA.
we re kind of like small detroit.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #23554391 - 08/18/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't really think so - decay does not kill that which has a strong identity. Ancient cities across the globe have flourished for thousands of years because they are something bigger than the sum of the individual populace. Culture carries on a way of life. The problem with midwestern culture, is that its main tenant (farming) is all but dead to but a few. It needs to reassert itself into something new, but no one has done anything to do that.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: twighead]
    #23556248 - 08/19/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The USSR never tried, China never tried. They were all top down ego/power schemes from start to finish.

A successful communism would be ran by the people... no dictatorship... the main difference between our system of government and that being that the means of production are owned collectively and their profits go to support the collective - instead of the individual.




"communism would be ran by the people"

No, 320 million people can't run the government, that's a pipedream.

A very small group of people have to be in charge of distributing the pie, every time they have failed because they are human, communism can't work because humans are selfish animals.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: qman] * 1
    #23556271 - 08/19/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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twighead said:
The USSR never tried, China never tried. They were all top down ego/power schemes from start to finish.

A successful communism would be ran by the people... no dictatorship... the main difference between our system of government and that being that the means of production are owned collectively and their profits go to support the collective - instead of the individual.




"communism would be ran by the people"

No, 320 million people can't run the government, that's a pipedream.

A very small group of people have to be in charge of distributing the pie, every time they have failed because they are human, communism can't work because humans are selfish animals.




Do you even know the definition of communism?


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Crystal G]
    #23556303 - 08/19/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've seen people stealing food whether they needed to or not, I've seen children
asking for cash and parents using their children to garner sympathy to get the
handouts. granted it's nearly always a scam and it's not surprising you havent
seen it since you're from the upper middle class/wealthy background and you're
either slumming it for drugs where people know you cant beg for money or you're
on ivory tower boulevard where they escort you from the area when you start
panhandling




I've lived in many different cities all throughout America.

Yes, I have a middle-class background. Though middle-class in California would probably be considered upper-middle class in other states. Upper-middle class in California has an entirely different meaning.

I spent almost 8 years in a lower-class neighborhood in Long Beach, where many of my neighbors were on section 8 housing. People steal yes, but I've never seen children begging on the streets or digging through dumpsters for food. Homeless people yes, but not children.




do you somehow think that children cant also be homeless?

here's an example of what I was saying, that people use their children to gain sympathy and panhandle even more cash from the retards that give it to them
http://www.cbs46.com/story/27610502/panhandlers-using-children-to-collect-money
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2830761/Outraged-shopper-captures-pregnant-woman-son-begging-money-driving-MERCEDES-BENZZ.html

and here's the other thing you apparently dont see in your sheltered life



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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23556326 - 08/19/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ive lived in 9 relatively large metro areas in my life and ive never seen a single homeless child.


Thats not to say there arent any, but it lends credence to the perception that homelessness is just a lazy adult problem.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23556369 - 08/19/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Ive lived in 9 relatively large metro areas in my life and ive never seen a single homeless child.


Thats not to say there arent any, but it lends credence to the perception that homelessness is just a lazy adult problem.





who claimed that it was a lazy adult problem?

tell us, what exactly does a homeless child even look like?


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23556468 - 08/19/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Ive lived in 9 relatively large metro areas in my life and ive never seen a single homeless child.


Thats not to say there arent any, but it lends credence to the perception that homelessness is just a lazy adult problem.





who claimed that it was a lazy adult problem?

tell us, what exactly does a homeless child even look like?




Like a homeless adult, but smaller.


And HU did.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23556496 - 08/19/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
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twighead said:
The USSR never tried, China never tried. They were all top down ego/power schemes from start to finish.

A successful communism would be ran by the people... no dictatorship... the main difference between our system of government and that being that the means of production are owned collectively and their profits go to support the collective - instead of the individual.




"communism would be ran by the people"

No, 320 million people can't run the government, that's a pipedream.

A very small group of people have to be in charge of distributing the pie, every time they have failed because they are human, communism can't work because humans are selfish animals.




Do you even know the definition of communism?




Do you have a point?  Who controls the equality?


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: qman]
    #23556532 - 08/19/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I guess not.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23556538 - 08/19/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I guess not.




So you're too embarrassed to answer the question.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: qman]
    #23556548 - 08/19/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I guess not.




So you're too embarrassed to answer the question.




Thats rich, considering im the one who proposed the question.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23556562 - 08/19/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

communism failed and the answer from those who agree with centralized economics is that it hasnt been tried and none of us know what it is.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23556572 - 08/19/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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communism failed and the answer from those who agree with centralized economics is that it hasnt been tried and none of us know what it is.




communism has never been seriously attempted on a large scale.

What Stalin and Mao did was co opt a term to make their authoritarian dictatorships more acceptable to the public. Hitler did the same with socialism. Hillary is doing the same with liberals.

To use Stalin as a refutation of communism is like me saying democratic republics are refuted because of the DPRK.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23556573 - 08/19/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
I guess not.




So you're too embarrassed to answer the question.




Thats rich, considering im the one who proposed the question.




Let's assume I know what communism means, who makes sure that the people who are in charge of equality behave ethically?


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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23556586 - 08/19/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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communism failed and the answer from those who agree with centralized economics is that it hasnt been tried and none of us know what it is.




communism has never been seriously attempted on a large scale.

What Stalin and Mao did was co opt a term to make their authoritarian dictatorships more acceptable to the public. Hitler did the same with socialism. Hillary is doing the same with liberals.

To use Stalin as a refutation of communism is like me saying democratic republics are refuted because of the DPRK.



its always going to go authoritarian because millions cant govern or own things like that. communism is cute in theory, but the real world on a large scale doesnt work like that. That is too much authority in one place


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