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the French invaded Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh thought the US would help them fight for their freedom, they instead got taken into a proxy war, which was played from both sides by the US government, which sent their people (the US) as expendable resources to die in order to make profit, and capitalise on the stomping out of "communism" which was actually socialism, but nevertheless that was the excuse. the people who farmed usually fought against the Americans, because they wanted to farm to help their country win a war.
special, you know nothing.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
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specialpeopleclub said: you argue weak positions that are verifiably terrible like socialism, and reality destroys these ideals at first glance
What positions are those?
Pray tell.
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akira_akuma said: LOL the irony. Vietnam...LOL really? that's...astounding. gotta love those Vietnam tax breaks! boom! boom! boom! boon!
The communists won and many died because of it.
The communists tried to put peole in forced farming oporations in china and almost as many people starved as died in the world wars.
socialists think because some suffer capitaism doesnt work. The world is not a clean place and some will always suffer more
Could you contradict yourself any harder?
"Socialism doesnt work because certain facets of certain implementations caused some to suffer."
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"You cant just disregard capitalism because some people suffer!"
LOL, he won't and LOL, LOL.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: akira_akuma]
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commujnism causes everyone to suffer, because you take from those that do and give to loosers suffering beczuse you are a looser is a feature of capitalism
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Ho Chi Minh wanted to give to loosers.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: akira_akuma]
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Hoes and cheap men dont like giving nothing to nobody for free
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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: akira_akuma]
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Our mood icons are not very uplifting
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The United States has a GDP of 109,000$ per worker... meaning that if efficiency were retained (There are issues with this, however since 97% of people make less than 109k most would be quite motivated) - nearly everyone in the country would get a raise. Or it could be implemented regionally where someone in Mississippi would probably make like 40k and someone in San Jose would probably make like 180k.. but its more suitable for the regional economies.
Not saying that the implementation of communism would be smooth, or even viable.... but the huge pay raise (over 2x pay for most) that most people would receive is food for thought. Of course it raises questions of motivation - innovation - etc. Which would need to be sought in ways that are healthier and higher minded than 'I WANNA INVENT SHIT AND WORK EXTRA HARD SO I CAN GET RICH AND HAVE MORE THAN EVERYONE'
Also being able to fire workers, or move ineffectual workers into a lower income state (probationary perhaps) would help keep people motivated.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: twighead]
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not even half of the country pay taxes most people are unmotivated loosers
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Well that's moot in a communism... (mostly that 50% of people not paying taxes is due to capitalism, and the allowing of wages so low people get off paying no taxes. This mostly benefits corporations - and hurts the public.) In this form of communism you only make money if you work, or have worked a significant amount of time. Lesser payments can be given to those who have a good excuse not to work. Job system however would need to be highly dynamic allowing for flow from one to another more or less as much as a person can prove their competency and there is demand for a position.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: twighead] 1
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twighead said: Of course it raises questions of motivation - innovation - etc. Which would need to be sought in ways that are healthier and higher minded than 'I WANNA INVENT SHIT AND WORK EXTRA HARD SO I CAN GET RICH AND HAVE MORE THAN EVERYONE'
One policy I've mentioned before, which I support and goes hand in hand with all this
Total Asset Cap, of around $5 million Far less for minors
$5 million dollars leaves plenty of room for low brow materialist motivation
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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: Repertoire89]
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twighead said: Well that's moot in a communism... (mostly that 50% of people not paying taxes is due to capitalism, and the allowing of wages so low people get off paying no taxes. This mostly benefits corporations - and hurts the public.) In this form of communism you only make money if you work, or have worked a significant amount of time. Lesser payments can be given to those who have a good excuse not to work. Job system however would need to be highly dynamic allowing for flow from one to another more or less as much as a person can prove their competency and there is demand for a position.
Im not going to go into the weeds
Comunism doesnt work. Its cute, in theory, and the greatest evil ever brought upon the nations that it has infected in practice
defending communism is stupid, and so is anyone who does.
I am certainly wrong on many things, but this argument has been solved.
Id also add that, no, people arent wrking or paying taxes because of socialistic poliies
its a misconception that unlimited free trade between countries is capitalistic. It isnt the free trade agreements stripped us of great industries
Government programs that reward stupid women for having babies and alieviate the suffering of the poor lso disincentivese people
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That's the cop out response
Communism in truth has never been implemented, nor has it seriously tried to have been... You have literally no examples to draw from. All so called 'communisms' have simply been political-word-porn to gather mass amounts of followers and implement a plutocratic the poor float the rich dictatorship.
If it were to succeed it would come about through the democratic decisions of a nation - with a distinct plan of conversion. Not taking a fucking wrecking ball to a nation and rebuilding it with one egotistical asshole at the top and everyone else plowing fields and having their production stolen from them.
It requires an advanced economy, in truth - not an agrarian one. Similar to how only advanced economies have the integrity, resources, and lack of corruption to implement socialist policies successfully.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: twighead]
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It hasnt been implimented because it cant be becaus ecentralized powers dont know what peole want or need and cant adapt to changing wants, needs, technology
USSr tried, and like I said, people died
Chna tried, people died. People starved and those that tried to seek help or make it known that everyone round them was dieing(whole towns, gone), were killed because when one is in charge, they have to keep themselves looking capable even as everything around them dies
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The USSR never tried, China never tried. They were all top down ego/power schemes from start to finish.
A successful communism would be ran by the people... no dictatorship... the main difference between our system of government and that being that the means of production are owned collectively and their profits go to support the collective - instead of the individual.
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I think Communism could be implemented with a dictatorship You just need an honest dictator
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USSr tried, and like I said, people died
Chna tried, people died. People starved and those that tried to seek help or make it known that everyone round them was dieing(whole towns, gone), were killed because when one is in charge, they have to keep themselves looking capable even as everything around them dies
How do you get around the world looking at things so black and white? The retarded policies of those entities, has no bearing on a non-retarded implementation of other policies.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: twighead]
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the governent is supposed to represent the people because the people cant represent themselves because they are local.
communism isnt an economic system, its a failed philosophy created by a racist piece of garbage who avoided numbers and real world practicality.
Ill say again, economics is the 'study of distribution and utelization of limited resources' communism isnt a study, its a proclemation
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specialpeopleclub said: the governent is supposed to represent the people because the people cant represent themselves because they are local.
communism isnt an economic system, its a failed philosophy created by a racist piece of garbage who avoided numbers and real world practicality.
Ill say again, economics is the 'study of distribution and utelization of limited resources' communism isnt a study, its a proclemation
Marxism is but one imagining of it. There are numerous failed imaginings of any political-economic system. Doesn't mean the general concept of collective ownership is flawed just because no ones succeeded in figuring it out yet.
Because the means to implementing a different political system are so difficult, and the stakes so high - our "government technology" is hilariously backwards due to lack of experimentation, trial and error, innovation - all things enjoyed by most other systems which fuel their progression.
Uhhh.... And you applying that definition of the academics of economics to what an 'economic system' is ...
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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: twighead]
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so, we are talking collective ownership?
thats very flawed. Things that you dont own you disregard for the next person. That is why we treat public property without thought
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Public property can be kept in excellent condition, all it needs is the correct overseeing and maintenance positions assigned to it.
Public property! Always so downtrodden and shite!



If the people care to maintain, express creativity, and to provide space for learning/relaxation/recreation they will do it. There is no barrier to that.
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