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tyrannicalrex
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But The workers are allowing the company to make the money!! Without the worker there is no business. It boils down to the greedy scum not valuing other human beings as much as they do their fucking money!!!
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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The language is just wrong. The cmpany model makes the profit that allows the workers who would be eating nothing to make some of the money.
corperations are not the bad ones.
workers 'alow' it to make money. Pull in some profit and you can get rewarded work harder and maybe you will go up the ladder
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Maybe its too rosy cozy an ideal for you - but a society that does not take care of its own will pay for it in other ways. Be it crime, imprisonment, having to see hordes of wastrels covering your town, etc etc. The thing is, we -can- afford to help people out, and while its never good to encourage laziness and is a fine balance having effective social programs which promote moving forward, they are much preferable to the alternate. Most certainly imprisonment costs us more than social assistance.
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specialpeopleclub said: The language is just wrong. The cmpany model makes the profit that allows the workers who would be eating nothing to make some of the money.
corperations are not the bad ones.
workers 'alow' it to make money. Pull in some profit and you can get rewarded work harder and maybe you will go up the ladder
For every hundred or thousand employees there are only 1 managerial positions available. Plenty of employees work hard without ever climbing up the ladder. Your comment is too idealistic and doesn't take into consideration reality.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Crystal G]
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specialpeopleclub said: Walmart pays about 20 grand a year. If you have kids and are that poor, you are neglegent and stupid.
Like the opinion of a walmart employee means anything. me if you need tips on tying your shoes.
Not everyone is smart. In every population, you have dumb people and smart people. There is nothing you can do about it. What you can do is make sure they are paid enough to survive if they are willing to work hard.
You're arguing with somebody who clearly hasn't thought things out.
He's against abortion, he's also against placing kids up for adoption, and he also doesn't believe that people should have enough to live on.
So basically, if you have a kid, too bad for you. You can't abort, you can't adopt, and you have to live with you and your family starving because it's all your own fault. 
Complete and pure idiocy at its finest.
Lemme guess... Condoms are evil too.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: twighead]
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twighead said: Maybe its too rosy cozy an ideal for you - but a society that does not take care of its own will pay for it in other ways. Be it crime, imprisonment, having to see hordes of wastrels covering your town, etc etc. The thing is, we -can- afford to help people out, and while its never good to encourage laziness and is a fine balance having effective social programs which promote moving forward, they are much preferable to the alternate. Most certainly imprisonment costs us more than social assistance.
Thank god finally somebody who gets it. The entire reason countries like America can even have a welfare system is because they are prosperous and can afford it.
Look at countries that don't take care of their own and how they live. Do people really want to see entire cities of people living in shit and piss and garbage and filth, and anorexic-looking children begging on the streets for food or or stealing for money just to grab a bite to eat? There's a reason countries like these also tend to have such bad crime too.
This is the kind of society conservatives like specialpeople envision, a Dystopian shit-infested crime-laden future.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Crystal G]
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specialpeopleclub said: The language is just wrong. The cmpany model makes the profit that allows the workers who would be eating nothing to make some of the money.
corperations are not the bad ones.
workers 'alow' it to make money. Pull in some profit and you can get rewarded work harder and maybe you will go up the ladder
For every hundred or thousand employees there are only 1 managerial positions available. Plenty of employees work hard without ever climbing up the ladder. Your comment is too idealistic and doesn't take into consideration reality.
He wants to pretend that the left hand side of the bell curve doesn't exist. Doesn't consider that no matter how smart and hard working a society is, there is always a left hand side to the bell curve.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: twighead]
#23547667 - 08/16/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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its not utopian, it just doesnt work. The government is fucking terrible at everyting it does. It isnt constitutionally set up to take care of the loosers. The loosers are supposed to not breed and die a genetic dead end.
there is no balance, social programs just divert resources from where they would go to where the arbiters thing they ought to go, which fucks everything up
capitalism has brought the greatest prosperity ever socialism has brought... nothing by that I mean hundreds of millions starved to death and killed in secret prisons.
In china, the government couldnt feed everyone. Dissenters dissapeared, photos dont exist, and whole towns died because the government couldnt take responsibility.
the left side of tge bell curve should be happy they live in america there are more ways up then managerial positions. I dont know if I believe that number at all. There are several managerial positions at every place I go to and assistant managers. Is this counting everyone who does nothing and doesnt give a fuck?
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specialpeopleclub said: its not utopian, it just doesnt work. The government is fucking terrible at everyting it does. It isnt constitutionally set up to take care of the loosers. The loosers are supposed to not breed and die a genetic dead end.
Is that so, is that why Steve Jobbs and Bill Clinton and Nelson Mandela turned out so great? Because they were either born into poor or uneducated families or adopted.
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In china, the government couldnt feed everyone. Dissenters dissapeared, photos dont exist, and whole towns died because the government couldnt take responsibility.
Why are you even bringing up socialism and China? The USA is doing just fine. Many countries who implement socialist policies are stronger and more financially stable than ever--Sweden, Norway, Denmark.
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there are more ways up then managerial positions.
Like?
Because that's the whole concept of "climbing your way up," is you are first promoted to a managerial position, then district manager, then eventually corporate, and so forth. The higher up the chain you go, the less and less positions there are available. It's simply unfeasible and not a statistical possibility to have simply "any" capable person make their way up to the top, because there are such few positions available and so many hard-working available eligible people.
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I think you are confusing socialism with authoritarianism. Every western nation is socialist to some degree, even the US. There's a reason for this: pure capitalism is a disaster and pure socialism is a disaster.
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specialpeopleclub said: The language is just wrong. The cmpany model makes the profit that allows the workers who would be eating nothing to make some of the money.
corperations are not the bad ones.
workers 'alow' it to make money. Pull in some profit and you can get rewarded work harder and maybe you will go up the ladder
Some people are content with not being number one or even in charge at all. Not everyone wants that kind of life. Why shouldn't they at least make a decent living wage? Why is minimalism/non materialism frowned upon? WTF is wrong with driving a buick instead of a mercedes? OH, right, because they aren't good/smart/driven enough to "succeed" in the eyes of the big guy/woman who is control of the business/money that they (the mgrs, owners) worship.
GREED is killing america/the world. So they go "here is some scraps to eat and live, and if you really burn yourself out and completely do all you can so that we can have our millions/billions we might give you a few more scraps, but I'll be driving my bently to my mansion and go take a shit on my gold toilet seat while I think about it." Sad, sickening, and disgusting!
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#23547718 - 08/16/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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workers 'alow' it to make money. Pull in some profit and you can get rewarded work harder and maybe you will go up the ladder
There always has to be someone at the bottom of the ladder. How do you not get this?
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: koods]
#23547725 - 08/16/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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workers 'alow' it to make money. Pull in some profit and you can get rewarded work harder and maybe you will go up the ladder
There always has to be someone at the bottom of the ladder. How do you not get this?
Lol. EVERYBODY should just climb their way to the top so NOBODY is at the bottom!
Errmmmm yeah that's not how capitalism works, dummy.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: koods]
#23547743 - 08/16/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: I think you are confusing socialism with authoritarianism. Every western nation is socialist to some degree, even the US. There's a reason for this: pure capitalism is a disaster and pure socialism is a disaster.
socialism is authoritarianism. You are taking resources from some at threat then redistributing them
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specialpeopleclub said: its not utopian, it just doesnt work. The government is fucking terrible at everyting it does. It isnt constitutionally set up to take care of the loosers. The loosers are supposed to not breed and die a genetic dead end.
Is that so, is that why Steve Jobbs and Bill Clinton and Nelson Mandela turned out so great? Because they were either born into poor or uneducated families or adopted.
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In china, the government couldnt feed everyone. Dissenters dissapeared, photos dont exist, and whole towns died because the government couldnt take responsibility.
Why are you even bringing up socialism and China? The USA is doing just fine. Many countries who implement socialist policies are stronger and more financially stable than ever--Sweden, Norway, Denmark.
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there are more ways up then managerial positions.
Like?
Because that's the whole concept of "climbing your way up," is you are first promoted to a managerial position, then district manager, then eventually corporate, and so forth. The higher up the chain you go, the less and less positions there are available. It's simply unfeasible and not a statistical possibility to have simply "any" capable person make their way up to the top, because there are such few positions available and so many hard-working available eligible people.
I dont even get your first point.
Sweden, Norway, and Denmark have histories of valuing work. They are also having extreme financial and culteral challenges at the moment. I was watchig a special a while ago, I believe on denmark, where they explained how they needed the corperations to prop up thye economy. hina only started doing artificially wel when it allowed some capitalism
capitalism is like biology, it works bottom up. People think if we controll things we will controll things. In Soviet Russia the government coldnt price a million or so things on the market propperly because the prices have to accurately reflect the relationships of the objects to each other.
Its beyond obsurd to think we could do so now considering how many objects that would be
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workers 'alow' it to make money. Pull in some profit and you can get rewarded work harder and maybe you will go up the ladder
There always has to be someone at the bottom of the ladder. How do you not get this?
I get this, Im fine with that. Life isnt fair, at all. Im content with this
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You think the people at the bottom are just going to rot and die. They won't. They will break into your house and steal your stupid broken computer. They will rob you at gun point. They will rape your wife and you won't let her get an abortion and you'll have to raise the child of a bottom runger.
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specialpeopleclub said: so, your solution to an abundance of unvaluabole people is to give them artificial value and take that money from others to do so?
Conservatives need to realize that society cannot function without tax.
Instead, what do you think is going to happen if you don't take care of people in society?
Do you really want to be like those other countries where millions of children are swarming the streets begging for food or a little bit of change? One of those countries where pickpocketing is rife and stealing is a major problem because people are starving? Or one of those countries where there's shit and piss and garbage and litter everywhere, and no concept of hygiene because the poverty rate is so high?
Is that an ideal we should be aspiring for?
Because this is what society will be in the vision that you are promoting.
Perhaps you should move for a few years to some place like Brazil where abortion is illegal and every day you will be swarmed by hundreds of children begging for 10 cents from you, in order for you to realize what kind of shit society you are promoting.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Crystal G]
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Then they are criminals and should be prosecuted or killed Being poor is no excuse. thieves arent stealing bread, or raping because they are disenfranchised. I live in a black town and am really thinking about getting a gun because of thatQuote:
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specialpeopleclub said: so, your solution to an abundance of unvaluabole people is to give them artificial value and take that money from others to do so?
Conservatives need to realize that society cannot function without tax.
Instead, what do you think is going to happen if you don't take care of people in society?
Do you really want to be like those other countries where millions of children are swarming the streets begging for food or a little bit of change? One of those countries where pickpocketing is rife and stealing is a major problem because people are starving? Or one of those countries where there's shit and piss and garbage and litter everywhere, and no concept of hygiene because the poverty rate is so high?
Is that an ideal we should be aspiring for?
Because this is what society will be in the vision that you are promoting.
Perhaps you should move for a few years to some place like Brazil where abortion is illegal and every day you will be swarmed by hundreds of children begging for 10 cents from you, in order for you to realize what kind of shit society you are promoting.
the idea society cant function ithout tax relies on the precept that society is created by government when it is the other way around
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Try not to masturbate
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tyrannicalrex
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"so, your solution to an abundance of unvaluabole people is to give them artificial value and take that money from others to do so?" Why are people considered unvaluable by the ones at the top? Superiority complex comes to mind, thinking everyone one who hasn't the drive to succeed is less of a person. I know I can't change these greedy fucks minds, no one can, but we could make them at least be a little more responsible for the well being of the people that make them fucking rich!
There could be a combo of both capitalism and socialism, I think it would/could work, it's kind of in place now, but those greedy fucks have found ways around giving SOME of their extreme wealth to people so they can have extreme excesses, and that is wrong!
If you got a whole cake for free and only gave away one piece because you don't have to, that is morally wrong, you don't have to, but isn't nice to share? Some people might say well, it's my fucking cake and I don't have to give away ANY of, be happy I gave a piece of it. And some people with no cake might see it as, well when I get a free cake I won't give it all away either because they didn't and I don't have to. When even giving half of it away the one person would still have a whole half a cake, and it was free! FUCKING FUCKS!
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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His spelling is so atrocious, I don't see how he could get anything but a minimum wage job. Illegals spell better than he does.
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