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PSA don't fucking do heroin * 2
    #23541529 - 08/14/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I hate this shit
I'm 3 and a half weeks clean
Only had a habit for 6 months, only used the needle for 3 but yet it still calls my name sometimes.

Sometimes the feeling hits me so strong that I would immediately go grab some if I had a connect. I am fortunate to have removed myself from my connections, and I'm making strides to live an honest life, but the call still echoes :sad:

How do I escape this affliction?


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse] * 1
    #23541537 - 08/14/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

find somethin else to do with your free time

i was a hardcore junkie for like 5 years, been clean for 4

I got really into reading about internet drama


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Vriska Serket]
    #23541563 - 08/14/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I said it on another thread and to my friend after a recent experiance
drugs arent neutral based on how responsible you are

Heroin is pure, concentrated -evil- that ruins your personality and ruins your life without giving anything of sustance back


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23541575 - 08/14/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Heroin is pure, concentrated -evil-



Horseshit. Heroin is no more evil than a gun or a car. It just takes your pain away and feels really fucking good in the process. Like alcohol for that matter. Or do you not count that as 'pure, concentrated -evil-'?

They all kill people in the wrong hands, and they all can be used responsibly.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23541596 - 08/14/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Eve if there is one person that uses responsibly, and i have yet to meet a single one, it encroaches on the children and less worldly people and fucks their livs before they even know

in my experiance, evil is the erfect word. you become like a heroin bork thief lier pretty fast in my experiance.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23541599 - 08/14/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I ended up doing coke and dope through a needle.  Lost custody of my son and woke up in a hospital one day. Apparently i died from a dope OD. I used coke one last time and missed my vein.  Been clean now for 7-8 months.  Got custody of my son back. Heroin is easier to handle then coke.  Shooting coke will have you robbing pple and stores in less then two weeks.

It's getting rarer but istill have triggers. Sometimes i have dreams and daydreams where i shoot up and feel the rush and then come out of it missing it.  But as it stands. If you put drugs and a pin in front of me id tell you to fuck off.  Took a while to get to that.  In the rare chance i just came out of those trigger moments and then poof theres drugs for me.  Im afraid of that.  People places and things.  Stay away from them. 

I smoked weed and did shrooms for 15 years and then became a junky for half a year.  Completely ruined my life.  Still fightingto get my friends trust back


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23541600 - 08/14/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If Heroin is evil then so is every consumer of every product sold and marketed by a mega-corporation. You sound brainwashed to fuck.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23541617 - 08/14/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't really believe in things being evil. But if you don't believe that some drugs have the ability to take over your life and you need to sit in on an NA or an AA meeting. Because those drugs that are truly drugs that you're addicted to have total control of your life. For me it started as a very recreational thing doing dope every now and then. I never even truly got hooked on dope.  Never went through withdrawal.  I got addicted to the rush.  The release of the arm band and sit back and ride it.  The rush itself isnt a drug. But it sure changed my world.  I am a strong willed person.  My wife is still battling her addiction. And is currently in a 28 day


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23541623 - 08/14/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What?
brainwashed? no, I spent ome time with people who do heroin in my heroin filled city. doing heroin is a giant indicator you dont give a fuck

I dont think mega corperations are intrinsically bad. I dont even get where you were going there. Im a capitalist


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Deathbystarfish]
    #23541631 - 08/14/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There's a phrase I heard an NA meeting one time but has always stuck with me.

Going to pick up your drug of choice is like fucking a gorilla. Once you get it you're not done when you're done. You're done with the gorilla is done


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Deathbystarfish]
    #23541649 - 08/14/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't really believe in things being evil. But if you don't believe that some drugs have the ability to take over your life and you need to sit in on an NA or an AA meeting.



Oh I believe drugs can take over your life alright. I've been addicted to coke/freebase, heroin, alcohol, amphetamines, etc, and have broken the addictions myself. I've also known plenty of addicts, and several people very close to me have had to go through rehab to break their additctions.

But evil? Bah. The link that I've seen, loud and fucking clear, is that we turn to these things irresponsibly to dull our pain when it becomes too great or overwhelming. And pain is a major factor in post modern living.

I can't stand by when someone tries spreading shit about any inanimate object being inherently evil though. It's naive and obtuse to believe so IMO.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 3
    #23541650 - 08/14/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Labeling something like heroin as "evil"  I personally feel is a silly designation. However the destruction to your life at the speed it can be done coupled with the extremely high addiction/OD rate do make for a perfect storm.

Everyone knows people or at least have seen the effects heroin tends to have on most users but people like to gamble or have no other means to cover the pain. I had a friend who was 10 years sober relapse on his 28th bday on the 4th of July. Died of an accidental OD. Tragic. sucks so bad that he passed But that's life. He knew the risks. He lost. :shrug:


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Rewindicus]
    #23541660 - 08/14/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I dont see any other word besides evil for it. its like becoming part of the borg. Maybe its just the weak people of my town, but noone Ive seen has  donr it and got out fine
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23541796 - 08/14/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Now I want some heroin. Good job op I'm 3+ years clean.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23541822 - 08/14/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Deathbystarfish said:
I don't really believe in things being evil. But if you don't believe that some drugs have the ability to take over your life and you need to sit in on an NA or an AA meeting.



Oh I believe drugs can take over your life alright. I've been addicted to coke/freebase, heroin, alcohol, amphetamines, etc, and have broken the addictions myself. I've also known plenty of addicts, and several people very close to me have had to go through rehab to break their additctions.

But evil? Bah. The link that I've seen, loud and fucking clear, is that we turn to these things irresponsibly to dull our pain when it becomes too great or overwhelming. And pain is a major factor in post modern living.

I can't stand by when someone tries spreading shit about any inanimate object being inherently evil though. It's naive and obtuse to believe so IMO.





just because someone decides to fly right by every red flag and totally fuck up their reward system doesn't mean it is evil. is the poppy itself evil? is it evil when it is removing chronic pain?

people to evil shit, chemicals do not.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23541856 - 08/14/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't believe in evil. I don't really understand the word. It's very vague. Unless you're religious the word really doesn't have much meaningI believe we as humans are responsible for our own morality. And I believe that any drug whatever it is or any feeling whatever it is for that you are truley addicted to it and sway your own personal morality and change them so that all you want to do is get high. You put your friends and family and children to the side so you can get your next high


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Deathbystarfish]
    #23541860 - 08/14/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Its ytour fault if you dont understand evil

humanity is the only truely good thing that exists and heroin poisons the human body and society

it is evil. It spreds negativity and takes your will


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23541864 - 08/14/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

heroins a recreational gold mine! just ask sancho! its fuckin awesome.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23541868 - 08/14/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Heroin is evil


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23541898 - 08/14/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Heroin is evil




Evil is defined by humanity, heroin is just a drug.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: falsereality]
    #23541907 - 08/14/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Heroin is evil ...


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: falsereality] * 1
    #23541908 - 08/14/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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ModestMouse said:
Heroin is evil



Quote:

falsereality said:
Quote:

ModestMouse said:
Heroin is evil




Evil is defined by humanity, heroin is just a drug.



Thats a common and stupid way of thinking fed to people. at face value it seems to endow one with personal responsibilty, but in reality it stops one from seeing the metaphor in the actions they take


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23541913 - 08/14/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

heroin is the devil's cum




jk



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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23541928 - 08/14/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Eve if there is one person that uses responsibly, and i have yet to meet a single one, it encroaches on the children and less worldly people and fucks their livs before they even know

in my experiance, evil is the erfect word. you become like a heroin bork thief lier pretty fast in my experiance.






It's been a while, I haven't touched any in recent times....but I've dabbled with H a handful of times over the years, as well as oxymorphone and other potent opioids....

....I never had a problem with becoming addicted, or even staying away from frequent/regular use. Even though a few friends around me were using, I never ended up upping my dosage dramatically and never continued on with regular use like they did. I could have, but I know what it was I was working with and know how slippery that slope can get, so I decided not to :shrug: .



Every once in a while I get a hankering for a nice opiate high, I love opioids...but that's why I only dabble here & there.










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I hate this shit
I'm 3 and a half weeks clean
Only had a habit for 6 months, only used the needle for 3 but yet it still calls my name sometimes.

Sometimes the feeling hits me so strong that I would immediately go grab some if I had a connect. I am fortunate to have removed myself from my connections, and I'm making strides to live an honest life, but the call still echoes :sad:

How do I escape this affliction?






Props to you for getting off that train :awesome: . I've only experienced mild W/D a few times and can not imagine what full blown W/D would be like....not to mention the random cravings and calling towards it.


How much were you typically using, if you don't mind me asking?


Kinda cliche', but have you considered kratom for keeping random cravings in check?


I know some folks that quit H/opioids want to stay away from anything that tickles opioid receptors at all, and most heavy H users won't feel much of anything from kratom anyway....but I can see it helping with keeping H from calling your name randomly.



And more cliche' basic advice...but physical activity! Get a bike and get movin' around...It's a win win all around.





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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23541932 - 08/14/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Thats a common and stupid way of thinking fed to people.



Horses for courses. Personally I think your outlook is 'a common and stupid way of thinking fed to people'.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23542052 - 08/14/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

OP, don't be a baby. You knew exactly what you were getting into and no one forced you to do heroin. Don't blame heroin, blame yourself and take responsibility for your actions. People that act like you give drugs and users an undeserved bad reputation.

And just wait it out. Eventually you will get happier and think about opiates less. The urge will probably never go away completely though.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Lophosaurus] * 3
    #23542312 - 08/14/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

haha why is everyone in this thread defending heroin? OP is right, don't do heroin unless you're retarded and don't care if your entire life gets ruined. it baffles me that with however many decades worth of cases of people killing themselves and each other - slowly or otherwise - due to becoming enslaved by heroin, all of these hippie drug addicts on a mushroom forum are like "oh bro it's totally coincidence that when people do heroin their life gets ruined, the heroin really had nothing to do with it. never talk badly about my precious heroin, it's all in your mind, just do some heroin & chillax it's no biggie bro." or some weird shit like that

like yeah everybody, go shoot up some fetanyl laced heroin and OD, or destroy all of your friendships & relationships and lose all of your money and basic hygeine because you wanted to get high for a few hours. the people on the shroomery have the right idea:burke:




okay i'm gonna quit joking and be serious now, the risk to reward ratio is nothing, it's totally worth getting started on the dope. ask any former addict and they'll tell you how heroin saved their life and how it's the best drug to use.


not only is heroin a real nice drug to use, but the people who sell it are usually really happy and exciting people to be around too. not only are the dealers cool, but heroin addicts are the least boring people you'll ever met. they're always out doing really fun & cool things like laying on the couch drooling on themselves or robbing people/stores


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Sheekle] * 1
    #23542355 - 08/14/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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haha why is everyone in this thread defending heroin?



I don't see anyone defending heroin. All I see is people stating that it's not heroin that is the problem, but the people that take it. I doubt anyone who's tried it was forced to take their first, second, or third hit. It takes work to get addicted to it. It's not like you just slip onto the needle now is it?

Yes, being addicted to it can make you do some fucked up shit, but no one is forcing anyone to stay addicted. Many have been and many have come clean. Not everyone who takes it steals and does debauched shit and I'll challenge anyone that says 'the drugs made me do it'. No they fucking didn't.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Sheekle] * 4
    #23542357 - 08/14/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Some people can't wrap their heads around what an inanimate object is.


"evil", :burke:



Sheekle, as usual, comes off as condescending and hypocritical.

It's funny to me that someone can consume opiods(kratom) and then call others retards for doing the same(heroin).

If you have felt the sensation of being opiated then you should understand the appeal.



that being said, the Title of this thread is solid advice.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Apostle]
    #23542380 - 08/14/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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that being said, the Title of this thread is solid advice.



QFT. Definitely better not to start.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23542488 - 08/14/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Damn bro, just stay strong. That shit has got a lot of people in my life, thankful I've never done it/ got into it. Just this past week I saw an old friend for the first time in years. Homeless now, on and off again fighting the H bug, bought him some food at McShittys.

He Died in a car accident Tuesday Night.

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: IslandShroomer]
    #23542602 - 08/14/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I just havent seen a single instance of someone shooting up and not having their life fucked.
It also seems to make people into their worst selves.

maybe you, at your age with your experiance see it as not threatening. Im ot ouching it, it doesnt scare me. Im not touching it. the others it effected are what effecs me. The stealing and lieing.

you seem high functioning and got out of it. I dont see my recent addict friend doing that. you cant force them, despite that they and he in particular steals from everyone.

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23542620 - 08/15/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

eyyyyy I don't think you meant to reply to me or maybe I was not very clear....

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23542635 - 08/15/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not going to say don't do heroin... I'm just going to warn you to be very careful. I was one of those naive enough to believe that I would never over-dose... and then it happened. I split half a pack (less then half a tenth) with a friend, intravenous of course and I over-dosed. I've cheated death twice in my life and this was the second time. I am so thankful I didn't get high by myself in some dark alleyway or corner alone because I wouldn't be here right now. In truth, we were getting high in a bathroom stall at the city bus station and it was probably a good thing because of the close proximity of the hospital. I DID have a naloxone kit but my friend wasn't aware of it... Him and his old lady performed CPR on me until the ambulance arrived. They narcaned (naloxone) me, and I immediately came back. The EMT's told me death was pounding on my door and I was as blue as the sky. I was so high I started to nod out after the x-rays (my ribs hurt so bad after the CPR), so they narcaned me again - and that pretty much sobered me right up. So not only did they save my life, but they killed my buzz. haha!
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23543187 - 08/15/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

haha why wouldnt u say dont do heroin? umm ya, obviously dont do heroin. its literally common sense


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23543214 - 08/15/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Heroin is pure, concentrated -evil-








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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
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    #23543267 - 08/15/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Horseshit. Heroin is no more evil than a gun or a car. It just takes your pain away and feels really fucking good in the process. Like alcohol for that matter. Or do you not count that as 'pure, concentrated -evil-'?

They all kill people in the wrong hands, and they all can be used responsibly.



hahHah if as many people did heroin as the amount of people who drove cars the entire world would literally be like 5x as fucked up as it already is don't kid yourself jokeshop i know you wanna be some rebelious hippie anarchist but its about time you got real


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    #23543274 - 08/15/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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literally



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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse] * 1
    #23543326 - 08/15/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't blame heroin, blame yourself. Heroin isn't evil, it's YOU thats evil.

I don't wana brag about my will power, but I have enjoyed all the drugs at least once, and i'm not hooked, and never came close to being hooked, on any of them. Except for coffee, Ive allowed that drug to control my life.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: trees]
    #23543374 - 08/15/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23543379 - 08/15/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23543401 - 08/15/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That lady (man?) in your avatar looks like she on heroin

She's evil


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23543431 - 08/15/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

modestmouse when u made this thread did u expect it to get filled with heroin justice warriors


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    #23543445 - 08/15/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Sheekle]
    #23543446 - 08/15/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Absolutely I did dear Sheekle.
It doesn't bother me, it just exposes a lack of sympathy towards addiction.

A drug very well can be evil, at least subjectively.
Heroin is evil
The apathy it induces is toxic
The people it destroys are numerous
The societal damage it has caused is tremendous

I agree people play a large role in it being a problem, but that doesn't mean the shit ain't evil

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    #23543449 - 08/15/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i didnt expect it at all, i think the responses in this thread are bizarre as fuck


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Apostle]
    #23543455 - 08/15/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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What would that make you, an Autism justice warrior?



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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: koods]
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23543470 - 08/15/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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it just exposes a lack of sympathy towards addiction.

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That's not true at all. I have the utmost empathy for people who suffer through addiction and so do alot of WCA members. As a regular poster there you should know this too.

All people were saying is that the drug can't have qualities that are usually reserved for sentient beings.

It was also Specialpeopls comment and Jacks response that set off the firestorm which distracted others from you're plea for advice.

I'm guilty of getting distracted too but thread derailment is a shroomery past time so try not to be too hard on us.


I really hope you make it through this man and the best thing you can do is find a hobby and stay busy. You've already got through the hardest part(for a lot of folks), all you need to do is stay the course.

The infatuation with needles is a hard thing to shake and the allure may never go away, the best thing to do would be learning how to manage such feelings in a healthy way and not give into them.

Accept that these thoughts will happen and be prepared to cope rather than just wishing they'll go away. You've had a taste and it's not likely you'll ever forget how good it tasted, just learn to resist it.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23543541 - 08/15/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Modest mouse have you ever tried martial arts ?

I feel like if you can get addicted to working out, especially martial arts or yoga, that is the strongest defence from addiction.


I am so deep into UFC and martial arts and it for sure occupies about 80% of my addictive tendencies

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23543548 - 08/15/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Weed usually does fine but right now I can't smoke because of a possible drug test on the horizon. :sad:

I have etizolam but I can't take more than a medicinal dose of that because otherwise I want the dope more.

I do excersize but it's not enough.
Seriously though weed destroys my thoughts/cravings, I fucking hate the laws in this goddamned country.

I could shoot a bag today and piss clean for my test or I could smoke a bag of grass and not get the job. What backwards ass society do we live in?


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23543551 - 08/15/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You become like a heroin bork thief lier pretty fast in my experiance.




Fuck I had a whole shed of borks out back and fucking heroin thief liers made off with whole lot.

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23543890 - 08/15/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Heroin is evil



Heroin can be used responsibly but you are better off not even attempting it because addiction can really sneak up on you with that shit. But its not "evil".


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23543990 - 08/15/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Eve if there is one person that uses responsibly, and i have yet to meet a single one, it encroaches on the children and less worldly people and fucks their livs before they even know

in my experiance, evil is the erfect word. you become like a heroin bork thief lier pretty fast in my experiance.




Anyone after severe surgery or painful accident uses heroin (diamorphine ) responsibly and safely.

It's just a strong painkiller.. the "evil" comes from personal need to escape life not the drug.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Glameow]
    #23544004 - 08/15/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:
I know plenty of people who used it after a physical injury and being under prescribed medication.
All of them lost control of it fairly quickly though.
99% of people cannot control heroin if they IV it.

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    #23544008 - 08/15/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I just havent seen a single instance of someone shooting up and not having their life fucked.





I have.  But a single instance of anything isn't really solid evidence of a trend now is it?


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    #23544009 - 08/15/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23544010 - 08/15/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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:lol:
I know plenty of people who used it after a physical injury and being under prescribed medication.
All of them lost control of it fairly quickly though.
99% of people cannot control heroin if they IV it.

It's evil.




That's a personal choice. People like how it feels. .they use more than they need. (I blame docs here).. and they choose to use it because they like it..not because of physical pain.

Would you alcohol evil because people can get addicted to it? And unlike heroin..it will kill you slowly. One can live the rest of their life on heroin (with safe injection sites to protect from ods).


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Glameow]
    #23544013 - 08/15/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23544014 - 08/15/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Meh. I experimented with heroin a few years ago, it felt good but wasn't my cup of tea... mixing some kratom/weed/benzos always topped the heroin high.

I decided to flush an ounce cut directly off a key, not worth the legal risk of keeping around that much heroin.

Evil is defined by humanity, heroin is just a drug.

I've had far graver personal problems with benzodiazepines but you don't see me blaming the drug class :shrug:.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: falsereality]
    #23544020 - 08/15/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There are billboards in PA and NY dedicated to help with heroin addiction. Because it's eating away at our society and it's youth.
Benzos may be a problem for some, but they're not public enemy number 1.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23544024 - 08/15/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You're using the logic of the Puritans.

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Alcoholics are people who don't have access to better drugs. Alcohol isn't evil, those people are just fucking stupid.





That's a buncha fucking bullshit.

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    #23544030 - 08/15/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm actually fucking around at this point, if you can't tell.

Yeah I think heroin is fucking evil but that's because I personally have had a problem with it.

Your first clue should have been the fact that I have been saying "heroin is evil" in almost every reply.
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    #23544033 - 08/15/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Backtracking 101.
You backtracking newbies, pay attention this is it.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23544038 - 08/15/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Backtracking 101? More like you're oblivious to the nature of these posts.

It doesn't seem the least bit silly that I have repeated "heroin is evil" to nearly every response in this thread, often without giving a proper argument?

Wake up son.

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    #23544045 - 08/15/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Nevermind folks, this isn't very good backtracking.  This guy's just trying to shift the blame elsewhere.  Another lesson for another time.


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    #23544047 - 08/15/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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That's interesting that you personally have a problem with benzos.

But heroin? It's fucking evil.
There are billboards in PA and NY dedicated to help with heroin addiction. Because it's eating away at our society and it's youth.
Benzos may be a problem for some, but they're not public enemy number 1.

Alcoholics are people who don't have access to better drugs. Alcohol isn't evil, those people are just fucking stupid.





I think the root problem is addiction, which is most often backed by an inability to cope with one's environment, whatever that consists of. Because you personally have a problem with the opiate class, I think you're displacing something onto it. When viewed objectively tobacco is a bigger health problem than heroin, but due to general social acceptance relative to a heroin habit, it is overlooked in these discussions. I might've had a problem that lasted years with benzodiazepines, but the few weeks I spent smoking cigs probably took a greater toll on my health.

Heroin is simply a drug that happens to be very addicting, pleasurable and also very effective in clinical settings when used responsibly by medical practitioners, like benzodiazepines. It isn't any more evil than aspirin, drug dealers pushing heroin to young kids can be considered evil in my book, but not the drug itself.

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23544051 - 08/15/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You're a goddamned genius you know that?

Heroin is evil


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    #23544053 - 08/15/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Actually people have said that to me before.  Keep backtracking yourself into a corner.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23544055 - 08/15/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have heard countless heroin addicts and families of addicts call heroine evil.

It's obvious why. I think arguing with them is silly.

Whether you call it evil or not is just a personal choice but it mKes an extremely strong case for being bought of as evil .

The effects it has are evil. If addicts who know it so well describe it that way I am not going to argue .

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23544062 - 08/15/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I agree. Semantics aside, it's fucking evil.

Ablt I have no idea what you're doing, Do you have something new to add?


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23544064 - 08/15/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They call it evil because like all drug addicts, and people of lesser intellectual means, their locus of control is external thereby allowing mysterious outside forces like "evil" and "good" to attach themselves to neutral things like drugs.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23544067 - 08/15/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The substance itself has been a catalyst for misery and destruction.

Heroin is evil.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse] * 1
    #23544076 - 08/15/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No, the substance itself just sits there and does nothing at all.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23544080 - 08/15/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I have heard countless heroin addicts and families of addicts call heroine evil.

It's obvious why. I think arguing with them is silly.

Whether you call it evil or not is just a personal choice but it mKes an extremely strong case for being bought of as evil .

The effects it has are evil. If addicts who know it so well describe it that way I am not going to argue .

It's silly to deny it. Semantics at best.




I disagree, I think it's silly to call heroin evil when there is real evil in this world. Heroin isn't "profoundly immoral or malevolent", I know people that are profoundly immoral and malevolent, and function as great examples of evil in this world; the effects of a heroin epidemic don't even come close to the damage that they've already inflicted on humanity.

Mislabeling drugs due to emotion and not science is what got all of these delightful drugs like LSD and psilocybin banned in the first place, the very language used to prosecute otherwise innocent users is now being applied to heroin as a personal plea from an individual not to do heroin. It is a valiant cause but not a great approach IMO.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: falsereality]
    #23544083 - 08/15/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Numbness and apathy are massive problems in this world, heroin is a chemical embodiment of that.

You're saying that's not evil because you're playing semantics

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23544087 - 08/15/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Numbness and apathy are massive problems in this world, heroin is a chemical embodiment of that.

You're saying that's not evil because you're playing semantics

Shits evil




You're the one playing semantics, I'm the one looking at this topic from a healthy distance.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: falsereality]
    #23544091 - 08/15/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No I'm not, I'm relating a chemical to the embodiment of issues we see in the world. Therefore designating it evil.

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23544140 - 08/15/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree. Semantics aside, it's fucking evil.

Ablt I have no idea what you're doing,
I'm blatantly trolling this thread, don'tcha know?  But WTF Are YOU doing in MY troll thread?! Do you have something new to add?




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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23544177 - 08/15/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:laugh2:
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Sheekle]
    #23544471 - 08/15/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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i know you wanna be some rebelious hippie anarchist but its about time you got real



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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: abltsandwich] * 1
    #23544494 - 08/15/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They call it evil because like all drug addicts, and people of lesser intellectual means, their locus of control is external thereby allowing mysterious outside forces like "evil" and "good" to attach themselves to neutral things like drugs.



:yesnod:

life is much easier for our egos to cope with when there is anything else to blame, even as illogical as blaming a chemical for your own choices.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23544555 - 08/15/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah fuck only heroin.  Speedballs are my anti-drug.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23544659 - 08/15/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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kratom saves lives



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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23544872 - 08/15/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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kratom saves lives



I fucking love kratom but this is whoreshit.




You are crazy if you don't think kratom has saved many lives of people who used it to transition off heroin thus preventing a possible overdose.

Even if only 2% of people manage to quit heroin using kratom, that is still hundreds or thousands of lives that kratom contributed to saving.

Kratom helps some people get off or stay off heroin or other hard opiates.

A person who is maintaining on daily kratom is not going to die of an overdose. Thus, yes, kratom really does save some lives.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23544890 - 08/15/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I am really grateful that heroin was not available in my town when I was experimental. When I was younger it was impossible to get here, nobody really even heard of anyone finding or trying it. Now that I am older and capable of making responsible decisions I have allot of heroin addict friends and they tell me their horror stories and I see them being sick all the time. I won't ever touch that shit you could give me 1000 dollars to bang some and i wouldnt


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23545613 - 08/15/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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kratom saves lives



I fucking love kratom but this is whoreshit.




You are crazy if you don't think kratom has saved many lives of people who used it to transition off heroin thus preventing a possible overdose.

Even if only 2% of people manage to quit heroin using kratom, that is still hundreds or thousands of lives that kratom contributed to saving.

Kratom helps some people get off or stay off heroin or other hard opiates.

A person who is maintaining on daily kratom is not going to die of an overdose. Thus, yes, kratom really does save some lives.



Idk why i jumped the gun so badly on that honestly.:lol:

I guess i was thinking in terms of "cures cancer saves lives. It most definitely helps people stay off opiates.

I'm genuinely :confused: by ehat my thought process was earlier today.:rofl:


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23545615 - 08/15/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



This was supposed to be a serious psa about heroin. I like how it looks like the junky shot up jesus arm instead.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: falsereality]
    #23545844 - 08/16/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just by you saying you flushed an ounce of pure heroin I know you have no idea what you're talking about.  In all of my experience I've never even heard somebody talk about heroin weights and use the word ounce.

Even if you had a dealer that was on point. A Bundle of10 packs should be a gram with cut.  But most the time dealers will Cut there grams to almost 20 packs. A full ounce is easily over 2 grand if cut right over 3  Not even talking pure heroin. 

Not to mention even one small wax pack of pure uncut heroin(.1gram) would be enough to OD most people.  Especialy someone with little experience. And i mean physical experience.  Its truly a powerful drug

At my worst times i was doing a bundle a day.  Of cut of course. Prob equal to just over .5gram of pure a day.

I was able to ween myself down after those times.  And actualy quit.  For three days. And the last thing I remember was untying the iPhone cable feeling the rush and slowly leaning forward as I stared from out my bedroom door to the bedroom floor.

I woke up just as they were pulling me out of the ambulance.  My entire body was strapped down. There was a strap over my head. I couldn't move. My hearing was impaired and didnt return for about an hour.  Everything had a blue haze to it.

After sitting up for a while I started throwing up blood. Or what i thought was blood.  They told me it was called coffee grind puke or something. Later i found out it was partialy digested food that went most of the way through my intestines and then came back.  It was poop:(

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23545870 - 08/16/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I was taking percs daily for a month or so after junior year of high school. Since then have only taken script painkillers for infected wisdom tooth surgery and other than that have only touched kratom and PST.

I often still get the desire to get percocets (luckily, I don't know anyone with opiates) and knowing how much I would love heroin is a tough thought to have.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: falsereality] * 1
    #23545889 - 08/16/16 01:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Heroin is evil




Evil is defined by humanity, heroin is just a drug.



this. I have met multiple people who have done H casually and not touched it again for years despite having access. I am not saying heroin is harmless, but a lot of its issues are due to illegality. and most countries that have striaght up given pure heroin to junkies to get them off the streets have people functioning on a reasonably high level


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23545893 - 08/16/16 01:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I have heard countless heroin addicts and families of addicts call heroine evil.

It's obvious why. I think arguing with them is silly.

Whether you call it evil or not is just a personal choice but it mKes an extremely strong case for being bought of as evil .

The effects it has are evil. If addicts who know it so well describe it that way I am not going to argue .

It's silly to deny it. Semantics at best.



going back to my other posts, if heroin were legal, would it cause the same damage? Is it the chemical? Or the illegality? Or is heroin really just one powerful factor interconnected with thousands possibly millions of other factors that ruin the life of a heroin addict? Prolly that last one

Like I said, countries where H is legal or given free to addicts or at least cheap to addicts, most addicts function somewhat normally. I would much rather be a legal heroin addict than an alcoholic. Most alcoholics I know don't function at all and look significantly aged. PHysically abuse others too. Legal heroin addicts in european countries are mothers, fathers and office workers

I am not saying H is harmless. Having your entire life function around a pill is not a happy healthy life. But its a choice people make. And removing certain laws would make it much easier for people to mititage most of the side effects. IMO saying H is evil is dumb. It ignores other factors and a holistic conversation. IMO meth, coke and alc all have the majority of their side effects due to the chemical itself rather than illegality. H is sort of the best of the "big 5" (alc, H, meth, coke/crack, Xanax)


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23545894 - 08/16/16 01:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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abltsandwich said:
They call it evil because like all drug addicts, and people of lesser intellectual means, their locus of control is external thereby allowing mysterious outside forces like "evil" and "good" to attach themselves to neutral things like drugs.



:yesnod:

life is much easier for our egos to cope with when there is anything else to blame, even as illogical as blaming a chemical for your own choices.



This. I hate to triple post, but theres a lot of interesting points made

i have never been a street addict but I have lived the manic highs and foggy lows of amp addiction. I hold full responsibility for my actions and the damage caused. Amps are sort of pointless but I would never label amps themselves as "evil". The life of an amp addict is fucked. But the drug can be useful. Many great mathematicians used tons of amps/meth. MDMA is an amp related drug and it has changed lives


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Deathbystarfish]
    #23545933 - 08/16/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Just by you saying you flushed an ounce of pure heroin I know you have no idea what you're talking about.  In all of my experience I've never even heard somebody talk about heroin weights and use the word ounce.

Even if you had a dealer that was on point. A Bundle of10 packs should be a gram with cut.  But most the time dealers will Cut there grams to almost 20 packs. A full ounce is easily over 2 grand if cut right over 3  Not even talking pure heroin. 

Not to mention even one small wax pack of pure uncut heroin(.1gram) would be enough to OD most people.  Especialy someone with little experience. And i mean physical experience.  Its truly a powerful drug

At my worst times i was doing a bundle a day.  Of cut of course. Prob equal to just over .5gram of pure a day.

I was able to ween myself down after those times.  And actualy quit.  For three days. And the last thing I remember was untying the iPhone cable feeling the rush and slowly leaning forward as I stared from out my bedroom door to the bedroom floor.

I woke up just as they were pulling me out of the ambulance.  My entire body was strapped down. There was a strap over my head. I couldn't move. My hearing was impaired and didnt return for about an hour.  Everything had a blue haze to it.

After sitting up for a while I started throwing up blood. Or what i thought was blood.  They told me it was called coffee grind puke or something. Later i found out it was partialy digested food that went most of the way through my intestines and then came back.  It was poop:(

They told me my heart was stopped when They got to me They revive me with that smelling stuff. And then my heart and stopped again on the way to the hospital.



Was the coffee grind any different then regular heroin vomit? My friend told me everytime he put the stuff in his nose he vomited about 15 minutes later the weirdest black vomit. Was he vomiting poop as well?:puke:


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23545950 - 08/16/16 03:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for that price guesstimate death by star fish. I was immediately wondering how much that much dope would cost.

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: topdog82]
    #23545959 - 08/16/16 03:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If Heroin was legal, it would not be nearly as harmful overall. No question about that, places like switzerland have tried legal heroin clinics for addicts and its been proven to work for harm reduction.

I would still feel its a bit "evil" to be that dependent on something (If I was the addict) but the harm is massively reduced.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23545977 - 08/16/16 04:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If Heroin was legal, it would not be nearly as harmful overall.



I suspect standardisation of purity would put an end to a lot of OD's. Seems to me that the varying purity is what kills a lot of people.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23546004 - 08/16/16 04:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yep there is the ODs prevented by standard purity and dose, but also the reduction in blood borne illnesses from addicts not sharing needles and having a safe clean environment with nurses doing the shots, which also cuts out absesses and collapsed veins and stuff from bad injection technique.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23546026 - 08/16/16 05:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If Heroin was legal, it would not be nearly as harmful overall. No question about that, places like switzerland have tried legal heroin clinics for addicts and its been proven to work for harm reduction.

I would still feel its a bit "evil" to be that dependent on something (If I was the addict) but the harm is massively reduced.



Thats true. And supposedly
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If Heroin was legal, it would not be nearly as harmful overall.



I suspect standardization of purity would put an end to a lot of OD's. Seems to me that the varying purity is what kills a lot of people.



@both you two

Ya I agree. But it wouldn't be the same level of "evil" i think. I mean back in the day, being on drugs was not something that defined your entire persona. similar to being anti-depressants I guess. Like ya I guess anti-depressants do fuck a lot of people up. And they sure as hell are ridden with health issues and side effects. But its not stigmatized. And its not like a peson's entire life/personal identity is associated with that drug if that makes sense. Drugs have been legal for most of human history. And IMO at least from my experience as an Amp addict, it basically is just more likely to effect the user. My entire sleep/dosing/eating/exercise sched was carefully noted daily to make sure I wouldn't exercise after my amp dose. I would be able to eat and sleep properly etc.

I could have def been happier but compared to lives of addicts on the streets its a walk in the park. I was depressed and anxiety ridden. But I got A's and B's in school. And the key factor to me that separated my life from say a cocaine user on the streets is the regulated purity, responsible dosing sched, and keeping other aspects of my life in check. only 1-2 friends knew I was basically wired 24/7. The responsible drug use in other words was not healthy or positive in its effect on my life. Period. Not slightly. But it WAS functional and way better that the life of most stim addicts


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23546037 - 08/16/16 05:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If Heroin was legal, it would not be nearly as harmful overall. No question about that, places like switzerland have tried legal heroin clinics for addicts and its been proven to work for harm reduction.

I would still feel its a bit "evil" to be that dependent on something (If I was the addict) but the harm is massively reduced.




Is it evil to be dependant on insulin? Food? Cannabis  (to function without anxiety)? Pain killers when in severe pain?

Humans are dependant on alot...that doesn't make those things inherently evil.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Glameow] * 2
    #23546055 - 08/16/16 05:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I agree. But its the addicts themselves, opiate addicts, who describe it that way. I simply take the word of the people who know what they are talking about. Meth users say the same.

Virtually every meth user I have met and most online describe meth as evil, satan, the devil, demonic.

They really see it that way. Not just a few, LOTS of meth users say that.

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23546124 - 08/16/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Moonshoe I agree with you on that subject....I consider Meth molecule with evil spirit....As I consider Lsd as a message/medicine from God/cosmos/all filled with Love.

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #23546152 - 08/16/16 07:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Their well being, aids, OD's, arent the harm, the harm is what they do to other people
my friend just robbed his grandma's house again


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23546251 - 08/16/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree. But its the addicts themselves, opiate addicts, who describe it that way. I simply take the word of the people who know what they are talking about. Meth users say the same.

Virtually every meth user I have met and most online describe meth as evil, satan, the devil, demonic.

They really see it that way. Not just a few, LOTS of meth users say that.

I am not going to argue with them. They see it as evil.



Well just something to think about. I mean "I tried meth and it was not that fun *shrug*" is not a worthwhile story. These kinds of stories don't spread. They aren't entertaining. I am not gonna say ignore anecdotes, but take them with a pinch of salt. You hear the same thing from people about DMT. Someone told me that their friend's friend went insane and ate someone else's face off. Or on LSD, if you trip three times you are legally insane (done acid 10+ times. Not insane). Or if you try heavy opiates once you are garunteed to be addicted (done opium 20+ times). With each one of these "one heard" stories, there is usually some level of truth in it. Sometimes those stories are complete bullshit though. and as such, its best to go for lab cotnrolled studies, logic and evidence etc. to ground your worldviews

that being said, in my eyes (based primarily on science and secondarily on anecdote): meth, alc, crack, coke, xanax, heroin is the order from greatest to least of the big ones. With those I think you are sort of playing with fire


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23546369 - 08/16/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I agree. But its the addicts themselves, opiate addicts, who describe it that way. I simply take the word of the people who know what they are talking about. Meth users say the same.

Virtually every meth user I have met and most online describe meth as evil, satan, the devil, demonic.

They really see it that way. Not just a few, LOTS of meth users say that.

I am not going to argue with them. They see it as evil.




My husband is an ex heroin and crack addict. The drugs are not "evil" to him, it's how they're used.

The drugs did not cause the addiction.  They caused dependency. .but addiction is caused by something else..like wanting to escape life.  The drugs themselves cannot be evil.
And addicts blaming it..is just more of the same old propaganda of blaming the substance to further prohibition. .rather than blaming prohibition and lack or regulation and education for the harms.  Also lack of any real help.


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    #23546393 - 08/16/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you think that the meth addicts calling it evil is anything like the nonsense urban legends and lies about paychedelics you are dangerously naieve

The stories about meth are very, very real


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    #23546403 - 08/16/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Treat your body as if it is shared. View your life as if every little thing you has an effect on another person. That way every time you boot up, you'll have a voice in the back of your head from one of your loved ones who doesn't abuse drugs. Try to fuse your mind with the positive aspects of life and kick your habit if you view it as negative.


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    #23546404 - 08/16/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Thanks for that price guesstimate death by star fish. I was immediately wondering how much that much dope would cost.

Are there a fair bit of users that clean thier stuff up or is it all junkie score and shoot?




Most people draw through a small piece of cotton to try and get ot as pure as possible in the needle. 

I have to say I'm actually happy I can talk about my experiences and not have any triggers from remembering baddtimes. A few months ago. The last time I really talked about the stuff led me to have some weird  daydreams it was so vivid that I could feel the rush. I would come out of the daydream and want to get high


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23546412 - 08/16/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Meth literally burns out the dopamine receptors in your brain over time and reduces the overall pleasure you get out of anything else

That's just one reason why it's so hard for people to just stop doing it, it also has a massive compulsive draw to many of those who are addicted to it.. Meaning that if it's in the vicinity they might find themselves doing it even though they don't really want to.. in some circles people are actually forced into doing it and if they don't they're considered a narc


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23546457 - 08/16/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you think that the meth addicts calling it evil is anything like the nonsense urban legends and lies about paychedelics you are dangerously naieve

The stories about meth are very, very real



naw I think we are talking past each other. Being addicted to a substance that makes it so you cant eat or sleep or fuck properly sounds horrible. I am just saying that you should base your worldviews on science first and foremost. THEN anecdotes. ALWAYS take anecdotes with a pinch of salt. ESPECIALLY with drugs. In the case of the meth, the anecdotes and science match up to create a grim picture. For DMT, what I was "told" or "Heard" from friends versus actually doing it were completely different. NOT saying you should just ignore anecdotes. but science should take precedence

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    #23546549 - 08/16/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The drugs themselves are not inherently evil or immoral or unethical - it is what we do with them as humans that makes the combination of the human body/mind and the substance evil. One could even say that the substance often times is a precursor to evil. Haven't you heard the expression, "it takes two to tango"? Humanity, for the most part, cannot handle the drugs interaction, intoxication, etc.. without being drawn back to its powerful effects again and again.

All of our genetics are different and unique and there are some that can use heroin and not become addicted and never have cravings after use, this is rare of course, and shouldn't be expected if you are considering trying it. My opinion is that its safe to say you should never try it, and you should stay as far away from the substance as possible. Just as there are plants and other animals/bugs/reptiles that can kill us with their potent venoms, the venom is not by itself evil.. it is just something we should stay away from.

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    #23546793 - 08/16/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Sheekle]
    #23547156 - 08/16/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've been clean off heroin for coming up on 45 days.  I could put it down until I started banging it.  After I started banging it I was like "finally I'm comfortable and nothing is missing... I wanna feel like this forever."  Very quickly my life went down hill and was a certified slime ball dope fiend.  Glad that shit is behind me though.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Perception7]
    #23548018 - 08/16/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The drugs themselves are not inherently evil or immoral or unethical - it is what we do with them as humans that makes the combination of the human body/mind and the substance evil. One could even say that the substance often times is a precursor to evil. Haven't you heard the expression, "it takes two to tango"? Humanity, for the most part, cannot handle the drugs interaction, intoxication, etc.. without being drawn back to its powerful effects again and again.

All of our genetics are different and unique and there are some that can use heroin and not become addicted and never have cravings after use, this is rare of course, and shouldn't be expected if you are considering trying it. My opinion is that its safe to say you should never try it, and you should stay as far away from the substance as possible. Just as there are plants and other animals/bugs/reptiles that can kill us with their potent venoms, the venom is not by itself evil.. it is just something we should stay away from.

Its quite simple really.



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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse] * 2
    #23548857 - 08/17/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Drugs aren't evil. Heroin or one of it's cousins is really fucking useful if you are in excruciating pain.
You probably shouldn't be using it recreationally. Hardly anyone can responsibly. Blame the human.


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    #23551213 - 08/17/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Of course an inanimate object can't posess any anthropomorphized tendencies, but heroin addiction is one of the most soul stealing insidious things known to man.  I lived it man, it's hell.  Shot dope for 2 years got on suboxone then shot dope for 4 more years till I got clean a month ago.


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    #23551532 - 08/17/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not saying it's not bad when abused... but it takes two to tango brotha.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23551550 - 08/17/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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all i know is the minute i turn 75 i'm doing H if i haven't already.



I used to say that. Then I ended up turning to it at 31 when my life was falling apart. It's really not worth it. I'd far rather spend my twilight years growing copious amounts of shrooms and cactus and tripping on them...

...although, a little poppy patch for pain relief might not go amiss when all my joints start seizing up...


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    #23551646 - 08/17/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I'd say if you're ever gonna do it wait until you're in a really good place in your life - you'll mitigate the chance you'll go back it if so IMO. It's when you hit it during the bad times and it makes everything feel fine and wonderful that it really easily becomes a problem.


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    #23551699 - 08/17/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, I'd say if you're ever gonna do it wait until you're in a really good place in your life - you'll mitigate the chance you'll go back it if so IMO. It's when you hit it during the bad times and it makes everything feel fine and wonderful that it really easily becomes a problem.




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    #23551730 - 08/17/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I hate heroin and I've never even done it. Must be a rough battle.

Last year one of my friends got high as a kite on it and tried to kill himself. Shot himself in the head and lived.

Last week one of my childhood friends got high as a kite and hung himself. He's dead.

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    #23551940 - 08/18/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Those are weird reactions to the suposed euphoria

ya, its a stupid drug. The pain killing proporties that they said her are a sad excuse. Its like fucking someone with herpes. Maybe you get it, maybe you dont, and if ou do you are ging to have outbreaks for maybe the rest of your life

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    #23551945 - 08/18/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The pain killing proporties that they said her are a sad excuse.



You do realise that heroin and morphine are near chemically identical?


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    #23551953 - 08/18/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

ya, but people are saying it as though it absolves some of the dangers. Noone is getting hurt and going to bang some H into their veins


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    #23551967 - 08/18/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I actually sniffed H a few times when I was in pain. It's a miracle painkiller. I never banged it into a vein though, which is apparently where a lot of the rush comes from.


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    #23551982 - 08/18/16 12:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Those are weird reactions to the suposed euphoria

ya, its a stupid drug. The pain killing proporties that they said her are a sad excuse. Its like fucking someone with herpes. Maybe you get it, maybe you dont, and if ou do you are ging to have outbreaks for maybe the rest of your life

heroin outbreaks involve stealing it seems.




They were long time users that couldn't stop and just gave up on life when things got tough I think. Wish I could of helped. My buddy left a kid behind so it's a sad deal.


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    #23551986 - 08/18/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I actually sniffed H a few times when I was in pain. It's a miracle painkiller. I never banged it into a vein though, which is apparently where a lot of the rush comes from.



in your experience, what percetange of heroin users actually get addicted?

I know tons of people who have done H from my high school. None are addicts. I am curious on estimates/stats. The stats I did find were around 10-15% but the study was done pretty poorly


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    #23551996 - 08/18/16 12:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Don't know, I don't hang around with any.


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    #23552010 - 08/18/16 01:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thats sad
I told my friends dad Im watching my frind. we all know what is happening. noone has the god damn, I dont know, anything, to intervene.

you cant save any of these people though. most dont want it. heroin nows what its doing, it wants them as part of its collective.

Its unbearable. Im at the point where I would snitch on smeone over this. I hate it

I stood outside his house today. Im thinking of intervening in a physical and unambigious manner. His family wont. Our perception of freedom seems to include the freedom to ruin the lives of everyone around you and then have them blamed afterward for not just cutting the tie. That is not something you can expect of people. It may be smart, but that is not how people work


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I actually sniffed H a few times when I was in pain. It's a miracle painkiller. I never banged it into a vein though, which is apparently where a lot of the rush comes from.



in your experience, what percetange of heroin users actually get addicted?

I know tons of people who have done H from my high school. None are addicts. I am curious on estimates/stats. The stats I did find were around 10-15% but the study was done pretty poorly




If you include people that got prescribed it/used it in hospital. .. i imagine it would be close to the current numbers of people addicted to prescription opiods..
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    #23552098 - 08/18/16 02:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Its unbearable. Im at the point where I would snitch on smeone over this. I hate it



I really wish you would go away. I cannot stand your obtuse and holier than thou attitude. Why can't you just live and let fucking live man?


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Its unbearable. Im at the point where I would snitch on smeone over this. I hate it



I really wish you would go away. I cannot stand your obtuse and holier than thou attitude. Why can't you just live and let fucking live man?



didnt I explain the whole, 'these people force their burdon on others' thing
its all them them them
your freedom ends where my stuff dissapearing begins

its the same with your death machines. maybe you can be safe, but the thousands of others cant, and if I killed one because of me or because they ride abrest(stagger your riding, the lanes arent that wide), it will harm me.
it will be on me

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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23552164 - 08/18/16 03:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So your response is to force your burden back on others? Makes sense.

Oh and BTW, taking heroin does NOT = stealing. You're tarring every heroin user with the same brush, just like you do blacks/bikers/muslims/etc/etc.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23552167 - 08/18/16 03:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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its a really easy concept you choose not to understand



Incorrect. You simply display a massive lack of empathy. In fact I think (I hope) that one day you'll understand it's actually you that is failing to do what man inherently does; show empathy to his kin for the position they are in.

As it stands, you seem to believe your 'righteous' views are the only ones that could possibly be correct, hence anyone that sees things differently just doesn't 'understand' what your ego so dearly believes to be an objective truth.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23552169 - 08/18/16 03:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I actually sniffed H a few times when I was in pain. It's a miracle painkiller. I never banged it into a vein though, which is apparently where a lot of the rush comes from.



in your experience, what percetange of heroin users actually get addicted?

I know tons of people who have done H from my high school. None are addicts. I am curious on estimates/stats. The stats I did find were around 10-15% but the study was done pretty poorly



Availability will determine a lot of addiction potentials, as well as factors such as pain, depression, compulsive behavior. Plenty enough people get addicted to it that it's the third most problematic drug out there. Anecdotes about your friends doesn't paint the whole picture and might be giving you a false sense of it being relatively benign.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23552176 - 08/18/16 03:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So your response is to force your burden back on others? Makes sense.

Oh and BTW, taking heroin does NOT = stealing. You're tarring every heroin user with the same brush, just like you do blacks/bikers/muslims/etc/etc.



a few bad ieces of fruit ruin things
I said those things, then my friends got addicted and my stuff and their family's turned p missing and they startrd lying constantly. I even held the tornoquet for my roommate

how am I pushing the burdon on other by wanting sensability?

Ive literally explained the 'not alll argument many times here. If you cant get it you are being willfully dense. I have to use the road, its a tool, not an amusement park ride. The heroin users who dont steal are a 'non problem', like the Muslims-in-name-only. That is an diology though. Black is not. Blacks can be saved, muslims can only be saved by eliminating the idiology
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specialpeopleclub said:
its a really easy concept you choose not to understand



Incorrect. You simply display a massive lack of empathy. In fact I think (I hope) that one day you'll understand it's actually you that is failing to do what man inherently does; show empathy to his kin for the position they are in.

As it stands, you seem to believe your 'righteous' views are the only ones that could possibly be correct, hence anyone that sees things differently just doesn't 'understand' what your ego so dearly believes to be an objective truth.



you are throwing the 'rightious' label at me and saying I lac empathy. I dont need empathy, its a toxic emotion that makes you feel for things you would be wiser not to. Compassion is better. Im not a child though. Ive gone through being a foolish liberal and found those ways have almost no place in the real world


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23552183 - 08/18/16 03:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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That is an diology though. Black is not. Blacks can be saved, muslims can only be saved by eliminating the idiology



You truly are special aren't you? Only someone who believed so would spout such utter shite like it was objective truth/reality.


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I dont need empathy, its a toxic emotion that makes you feel for things you would be wiser not to.



The only reason you're here is because of empathy, make no mistake about it. That empathy is 'toxic' is truly the most moronic thing I have heard anyone say all year. What do you think this world would look like if empathy were suddenly stripped from every human?


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23552198 - 08/18/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What is wrong with what I said? Im being  oite and yo add ignorance. Being black is not the same as following the dictates ayed out in the Quran, Hadiths, and Sura
Maybe black eople have cultural and chemical problems. White peoploe seem predisposed to depression. all it takes is an inability to synthasize the right chemical and you can have lesened controll. we are having riots just over the lake over a criminal beeing shot by a cop. You probably havent seen the footage.

empaty involves feeling what others feel. I can be compassionate about a situation, but I have no obligation to empathize. Many people are crazy and Id rather their feelings dont infect my judgement.
Im defenately not here because of empathy.
its overrated because it seems 'nice' and people like nice and comforting things.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23552204 - 08/18/16 03:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Empathy can be learned. I highly suggest you contemplate this fact. My discussion with you ends here however.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23552207 - 08/18/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I dont want to learn it. I unlearned it purposefully. Its decepive. You think you understand the emotions of another and really its projection


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23552214 - 08/18/16 03:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I actually sniffed H a few times when I was in pain. It's a miracle painkiller. I never banged it into a vein though, which is apparently where a lot of the rush comes from.



in your experience, what percetange of heroin users actually get addicted?

I know tons of people who have done H from my high school. None are addicts. I am curious on estimates/stats. The stats I did find were around 10-15% but the study was done pretty poorly



Availability will determine a lot of addiction potentials, as well as factors such as pain, depression, compulsive behavior. Plenty enough people get addicted to it that it's the third most problematic drug out there. Anecdotes about your friends doesn't paint the whole picture and might be giving you a false sense of it being relatively benign.



thats exactly what I am saying. Anecdotally, from people in my extended high school circle, the answer is close to none. But I would want a statistic of the likelihood that someone will get addicted in a country where its legal


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