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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23544140 - 08/15/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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ModestMouse said:
I agree. Semantics aside, it's fucking evil.

Ablt I have no idea what you're doing,
I'm blatantly trolling this thread, don'tcha know?  But WTF Are YOU doing in MY troll thread?! Do you have something new to add?




Yeah here's something new:  :whereismiddleman:


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23544177 - 08/15/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:laugh2:
Let the butthurt flow


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23544442 - 08/15/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Sheekle]
    #23544471 - 08/15/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Sheekle said:
i know you wanna be some rebelious hippie anarchist but its about time you got real



Ah yes, cause I'm the one who comes around here acting like someone I'm not....


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: abltsandwich] * 1
    #23544494 - 08/15/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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abltsandwich said:
They call it evil because like all drug addicts, and people of lesser intellectual means, their locus of control is external thereby allowing mysterious outside forces like "evil" and "good" to attach themselves to neutral things like drugs.



:yesnod:

life is much easier for our egos to cope with when there is anything else to blame, even as illogical as blaming a chemical for your own choices.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23544555 - 08/15/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah fuck only heroin.  Speedballs are my anti-drug.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23544659 - 08/15/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Connoisseur said:
kratom saves lives



I fucking love kratom but this is whoreshit.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23544872 - 08/15/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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LuSiD enthusiast said:
Quote:

Connoisseur said:
kratom saves lives



I fucking love kratom but this is whoreshit.




You are crazy if you don't think kratom has saved many lives of people who used it to transition off heroin thus preventing a possible overdose.

Even if only 2% of people manage to quit heroin using kratom, that is still hundreds or thousands of lives that kratom contributed to saving.

Kratom helps some people get off or stay off heroin or other hard opiates.

A person who is maintaining on daily kratom is not going to die of an overdose. Thus, yes, kratom really does save some lives.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23544890 - 08/15/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I am really grateful that heroin was not available in my town when I was experimental. When I was younger it was impossible to get here, nobody really even heard of anyone finding or trying it. Now that I am older and capable of making responsible decisions I have allot of heroin addict friends and they tell me their horror stories and I see them being sick all the time. I won't ever touch that shit you could give me 1000 dollars to bang some and i wouldnt


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23545613 - 08/15/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Quote:

LuSiD enthusiast said:
Quote:

Connoisseur said:
kratom saves lives



I fucking love kratom but this is whoreshit.




You are crazy if you don't think kratom has saved many lives of people who used it to transition off heroin thus preventing a possible overdose.

Even if only 2% of people manage to quit heroin using kratom, that is still hundreds or thousands of lives that kratom contributed to saving.

Kratom helps some people get off or stay off heroin or other hard opiates.

A person who is maintaining on daily kratom is not going to die of an overdose. Thus, yes, kratom really does save some lives.



Idk why i jumped the gun so badly on that honestly.:lol:

I guess i was thinking in terms of "cures cancer saves lives. It most definitely helps people stay off opiates.

I'm genuinely :confused: by ehat my thought process was earlier today.:rofl:


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I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23545615 - 08/15/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



This was supposed to be a serious psa about heroin. I like how it looks like the junky shot up jesus arm instead.


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Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists.

I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke.


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Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: falsereality]
    #23545844 - 08/16/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just by you saying you flushed an ounce of pure heroin I know you have no idea what you're talking about.  In all of my experience I've never even heard somebody talk about heroin weights and use the word ounce.

Even if you had a dealer that was on point. A Bundle of10 packs should be a gram with cut.  But most the time dealers will Cut there grams to almost 20 packs. A full ounce is easily over 2 grand if cut right over 3  Not even talking pure heroin. 

Not to mention even one small wax pack of pure uncut heroin(.1gram) would be enough to OD most people.  Especialy someone with little experience. And i mean physical experience.  Its truly a powerful drug

At my worst times i was doing a bundle a day.  Of cut of course. Prob equal to just over .5gram of pure a day.

I was able to ween myself down after those times.  And actualy quit.  For three days. And the last thing I remember was untying the iPhone cable feeling the rush and slowly leaning forward as I stared from out my bedroom door to the bedroom floor.

I woke up just as they were pulling me out of the ambulance.  My entire body was strapped down. There was a strap over my head. I couldn't move. My hearing was impaired and didnt return for about an hour.  Everything had a blue haze to it.

After sitting up for a while I started throwing up blood. Or what i thought was blood.  They told me it was called coffee grind puke or something. Later i found out it was partialy digested food that went most of the way through my intestines and then came back.  It was poop:(

They told me my heart was stopped when They got to me They revive me with that smelling stuff. And then my heart and stopped again on the way to the hospital.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23545870 - 08/16/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I was taking percs daily for a month or so after junior year of high school. Since then have only taken script painkillers for infected wisdom tooth surgery and other than that have only touched kratom and PST.

I often still get the desire to get percocets (luckily, I don't know anyone with opiates) and knowing how much I would love heroin is a tough thought to have.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: falsereality] * 1
    #23545889 - 08/16/16 01:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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falsereality said:
Quote:

ModestMouse said:
Heroin is evil




Evil is defined by humanity, heroin is just a drug.



this. I have met multiple people who have done H casually and not touched it again for years despite having access. I am not saying heroin is harmless, but a lot of its issues are due to illegality. and most countries that have striaght up given pure heroin to junkies to get them off the streets have people functioning on a reasonably high level


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23545893 - 08/16/16 01:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
I have heard countless heroin addicts and families of addicts call heroine evil.

It's obvious why. I think arguing with them is silly.

Whether you call it evil or not is just a personal choice but it mKes an extremely strong case for being bought of as evil .

The effects it has are evil. If addicts who know it so well describe it that way I am not going to argue .

It's silly to deny it. Semantics at best.



going back to my other posts, if heroin were legal, would it cause the same damage? Is it the chemical? Or the illegality? Or is heroin really just one powerful factor interconnected with thousands possibly millions of other factors that ruin the life of a heroin addict? Prolly that last one

Like I said, countries where H is legal or given free to addicts or at least cheap to addicts, most addicts function somewhat normally. I would much rather be a legal heroin addict than an alcoholic. Most alcoholics I know don't function at all and look significantly aged. PHysically abuse others too. Legal heroin addicts in european countries are mothers, fathers and office workers

I am not saying H is harmless. Having your entire life function around a pill is not a happy healthy life. But its a choice people make. And removing certain laws would make it much easier for people to mititage most of the side effects. IMO saying H is evil is dumb. It ignores other factors and a holistic conversation. IMO meth, coke and alc all have the majority of their side effects due to the chemical itself rather than illegality. H is sort of the best of the "big 5" (alc, H, meth, coke/crack, Xanax)


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23545894 - 08/16/16 01:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

ReposadoXochipilli said:
Quote:

abltsandwich said:
They call it evil because like all drug addicts, and people of lesser intellectual means, their locus of control is external thereby allowing mysterious outside forces like "evil" and "good" to attach themselves to neutral things like drugs.



:yesnod:

life is much easier for our egos to cope with when there is anything else to blame, even as illogical as blaming a chemical for your own choices.



This. I hate to triple post, but theres a lot of interesting points made

i have never been a street addict but I have lived the manic highs and foggy lows of amp addiction. I hold full responsibility for my actions and the damage caused. Amps are sort of pointless but I would never label amps themselves as "evil". The life of an amp addict is fucked. But the drug can be useful. Many great mathematicians used tons of amps/meth. MDMA is an amp related drug and it has changed lives


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Deathbystarfish]
    #23545933 - 08/16/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Deathbystarfish said:
Just by you saying you flushed an ounce of pure heroin I know you have no idea what you're talking about.  In all of my experience I've never even heard somebody talk about heroin weights and use the word ounce.

Even if you had a dealer that was on point. A Bundle of10 packs should be a gram with cut.  But most the time dealers will Cut there grams to almost 20 packs. A full ounce is easily over 2 grand if cut right over 3  Not even talking pure heroin. 

Not to mention even one small wax pack of pure uncut heroin(.1gram) would be enough to OD most people.  Especialy someone with little experience. And i mean physical experience.  Its truly a powerful drug

At my worst times i was doing a bundle a day.  Of cut of course. Prob equal to just over .5gram of pure a day.

I was able to ween myself down after those times.  And actualy quit.  For three days. And the last thing I remember was untying the iPhone cable feeling the rush and slowly leaning forward as I stared from out my bedroom door to the bedroom floor.

I woke up just as they were pulling me out of the ambulance.  My entire body was strapped down. There was a strap over my head. I couldn't move. My hearing was impaired and didnt return for about an hour.  Everything had a blue haze to it.

After sitting up for a while I started throwing up blood. Or what i thought was blood.  They told me it was called coffee grind puke or something. Later i found out it was partialy digested food that went most of the way through my intestines and then came back.  It was poop:(

They told me my heart was stopped when They got to me They revive me with that smelling stuff. And then my heart and stopped again on the way to the hospital.



Was the coffee grind any different then regular heroin vomit? My friend told me everytime he put the stuff in his nose he vomited about 15 minutes later the weirdest black vomit. Was he vomiting poop as well?:puke:


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Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists.

I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke.


In erowid we trust.

Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23545950 - 08/16/16 03:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for that price guesstimate death by star fish. I was immediately wondering how much that much dope would cost.

Are there a fair bit of users that clean thier stuff up or is it all junkie score and shoot?


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: topdog82]
    #23545959 - 08/16/16 03:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If Heroin was legal, it would not be nearly as harmful overall. No question about that, places like switzerland have tried legal heroin clinics for addicts and its been proven to work for harm reduction.

I would still feel its a bit "evil" to be that dependent on something (If I was the addict) but the harm is massively reduced.


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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23545977 - 08/16/16 04:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
If Heroin was legal, it would not be nearly as harmful overall.



I suspect standardisation of purity would put an end to a lot of OD's. Seems to me that the varying purity is what kills a lot of people.


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