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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Glameow]
#23544013 - 08/15/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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its all evil
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
#23544014 - 08/15/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Meh. I experimented with heroin a few years ago, it felt good but wasn't my cup of tea... mixing some kratom/weed/benzos always topped the heroin high.
I decided to flush an ounce cut directly off a key, not worth the legal risk of keeping around that much heroin.
Evil is defined by humanity, heroin is just a drug.
I've had far graver personal problems with benzodiazepines but you don't see me blaming the drug class .
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There are billboards in PA and NY dedicated to help with heroin addiction. Because it's eating away at our society and it's youth. Benzos may be a problem for some, but they're not public enemy number 1.
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
#23544024 - 08/15/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're using the logic of the Puritans.
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ModestMouse said: Alcoholics are people who don't have access to better drugs. Alcohol isn't evil, those people are just fucking stupid.
That's a buncha fucking bullshit.
Oh look you realized it was bullshit and edited it out of your post
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I'm actually fucking around at this point, if you can't tell.
Yeah I think heroin is fucking evil but that's because I personally have had a problem with it.
Your first clue should have been the fact that I have been saying "heroin is evil" in almost every reply. Still. Heroin is evil.
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
#23544033 - 08/15/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Backtracking 101. You backtracking newbies, pay attention this is it.
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Backtracking 101? More like you're oblivious to the nature of these posts.
It doesn't seem the least bit silly that I have repeated "heroin is evil" to nearly every response in this thread, often without giving a proper argument?
Wake up son.
Still, heroin is evil
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
#23544045 - 08/15/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nevermind folks, this isn't very good backtracking. This guy's just trying to shift the blame elsewhere. Another lesson for another time.
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse] 1
#23544047 - 08/15/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: That's interesting that you personally have a problem with benzos.
But heroin? It's fucking evil. There are billboards in PA and NY dedicated to help with heroin addiction. Because it's eating away at our society and it's youth. Benzos may be a problem for some, but they're not public enemy number 1.
Alcoholics are people who don't have access to better drugs. Alcohol isn't evil, those people are just fucking stupid.
I think the root problem is addiction, which is most often backed by an inability to cope with one's environment, whatever that consists of. Because you personally have a problem with the opiate class, I think you're displacing something onto it. When viewed objectively tobacco is a bigger health problem than heroin, but due to general social acceptance relative to a heroin habit, it is overlooked in these discussions. I might've had a problem that lasted years with benzodiazepines, but the few weeks I spent smoking cigs probably took a greater toll on my health.
Heroin is simply a drug that happens to be very addicting, pleasurable and also very effective in clinical settings when used responsibly by medical practitioners, like benzodiazepines. It isn't any more evil than aspirin, drug dealers pushing heroin to young kids can be considered evil in my book, but not the drug itself.
Alcoholics also have access to whatever drugs they may choose, anyone does with the right connections/intelligence.
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You're a goddamned genius you know that?
Heroin is evil
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
#23544053 - 08/15/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually people have said that to me before. Keep backtracking yourself into a corner.
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I have heard countless heroin addicts and families of addicts call heroine evil.
It's obvious why. I think arguing with them is silly.
Whether you call it evil or not is just a personal choice but it mKes an extremely strong case for being bought of as evil .
The effects it has are evil. If addicts who know it so well describe it that way I am not going to argue .
It's silly to deny it. Semantics at best.
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe]
#23544062 - 08/15/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree. Semantics aside, it's fucking evil.
Ablt I have no idea what you're doing, Do you have something new to add?
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe]
#23544064 - 08/15/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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They call it evil because like all drug addicts, and people of lesser intellectual means, their locus of control is external thereby allowing mysterious outside forces like "evil" and "good" to attach themselves to neutral things like drugs.
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The substance itself has been a catalyst for misery and destruction.
Heroin is evil.
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse] 1
#23544076 - 08/15/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, the substance itself just sits there and does nothing at all.
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#23544080 - 08/15/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: I have heard countless heroin addicts and families of addicts call heroine evil.
It's obvious why. I think arguing with them is silly.
Whether you call it evil or not is just a personal choice but it mKes an extremely strong case for being bought of as evil .
The effects it has are evil. If addicts who know it so well describe it that way I am not going to argue .
It's silly to deny it. Semantics at best.
I disagree, I think it's silly to call heroin evil when there is real evil in this world. Heroin isn't "profoundly immoral or malevolent", I know people that are profoundly immoral and malevolent, and function as great examples of evil in this world; the effects of a heroin epidemic don't even come close to the damage that they've already inflicted on humanity.
Mislabeling drugs due to emotion and not science is what got all of these delightful drugs like LSD and psilocybin banned in the first place, the very language used to prosecute otherwise innocent users is now being applied to heroin as a personal plea from an individual not to do heroin. It is a valiant cause but not a great approach IMO.
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Numbness and apathy are massive problems in this world, heroin is a chemical embodiment of that.
You're saying that's not evil because you're playing semantics
Shits evil
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Re: PSA don't fucking do heroin [Re: ModestMouse]
#23544087 - 08/15/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: Numbness and apathy are massive problems in this world, heroin is a chemical embodiment of that.
You're saying that's not evil because you're playing semantics
Shits evil
You're the one playing semantics, I'm the one looking at this topic from a healthy distance.
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No I'm not, I'm relating a chemical to the embodiment of issues we see in the world. Therefore designating it evil.
Evil
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