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Deathbystarfish
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Grow log. First time bulk. Wbs and some grain
#23541085 - 08/14/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm going to start by mentioning that this journal is for entertainment purposes only. Everything I've learned and talk about is purely hypothetical scenarios created in my head and are used in my head
I started with 9 quart jars. I made self healing ports with high-temperature silicone in a 3/16 hole and tyvek with high temperature adhesive over a 5/16 hole.
I wanted to do everything with the rye berries but apparently they're hard to find in stores. I'm waiting for them to come in the mail but I couldn't wait so I started without them. Ill get back to them. I did find wheatberries. But only enough for two jars the rest i used storebrand finch bird seed.
I use the standard recipes readily available. For the wheatberries I used the Ryberry recipe. 250 mL of grain to 210 mL of water I only had enough for two jars.
For the wbs again i use ready recipes 250 mL of seed 120 mL of water I honestly thought that wasn't going to be enough water so the three of the jars got an extra 10 mL. I marked them
All jars were sterilize for 90 minutes at 15 pounds shaken vigorously when done and left to sit for three days shaken once or twice a day
On August 13 they were inoculated with about two cc per jar using sterile methods. I don't have a clean box but I should make one. I've never had a problem with my BRF cakes in the past.
I will be posting results of my labor hoping for any feedback anybody wants to give me
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Edited by Deathbystarfish (08/15/16 10:40 PM)
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I would give you feedback but it would just be hypothetical and in my head.
Okay here it goes. . .
. . . all done.
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Re: First time bulk. Wbs and some grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23541526 - 08/14/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The strangest thing is I can't control time in my head Or contams. I know there's not much feedback to get right now. I'm pretty sure I started my thing off right. I have PF tek experience for over 10 years. I'm a long time lurker of shroomery and decided its about time i join in
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Re: First time bulk. Wbs and some grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23541802 - 08/14/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I would give you feedback but it would just be hypothetical and in my head.
Okay here it goes. . .
. . . all done.

wow what a smartass lol
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you're doing a fine job homeskillet
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Re: First time bulk. Wbs and some grain [Re: Kenetic]
#23543377 - 08/15/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's a boy! Or it's not either. It's a transgender! Conception is a success I'm happy to say that I have a small spots of growth in like five of the jars. Very small spots but one jar has like six of them
Hopefully the other few jars workout and they stay strong.
One of the wheat berry jewele One of the wheat berry jars. Is doing good. The other has nothing ye is doing good. The other has nothing yet
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Well im definitely doing something right. Only been two days. I'm trying to hold off shaking it. I'll see how the growth continues over the next few days. And then I. Don't think I'll be able to hold off shaking it. I can't wait to see the boom. I never got that joy from BRF cakes
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The more you shake it the more energy the colony loses. Don't overdo the shaking.
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Deathbystarfish said:

Well im definitely doing something right. Only been two days. I'm trying to hold off shaking it. I'll see how the growth continues over the next few days. And then I. Don't think I'll be able to hold off shaking it. I can't wait to see the boom. I never got that joy from BRF cakes
It's contaminated tho...
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Re: First time bulk. Wbs and some grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23546430 - 08/16/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said: It's contaminated tho...
Shush.
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Pastywhyte said: The more you shake it the more energy the colony loses. Don't overdo the shaking.
I know one good shake at 20 to 30%
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I got to say these wheat berries are beautiful. I got plenty of rye berry going now. Cant wait for a comparison. The wbs is growing stron also. But all those thistles make it look like crap. Got another bag with no thistles. Mostly millet. Ill have to get that going too.
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Re: First time bulk. Wbs and some grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23564266 - 08/21/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I would give you feedback but it would just be hypothetical and in my head.
Okay here it goes. . .
. . . all done.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH that was probably the funnest shit I have seen on the boards yet!!!
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Re: First time bulk. Wbs and some grain [Re: Noobtrip]
#23567740 - 08/22/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Best jar with the first batch almost done. Not even 10 days in. Definitely going to explore more of the strain in the future.
Next batch in background different strain Inoc date 8/18
A third batch of a different strain is done also Inoc on 8/18 Not as good growth on those. No point in showing it
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I don't want to rain on your parade, because your hypothetical grow will probably fruit, but those jars are riddled with Bacteria...you can tell because of the chunky thick look of the mycelium...the patchy growth...and the way the kernels get pressed up against the glass....here's some more info from my friend, Mad Season
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Mad Season said: I think we're talking about how it's sticky and starchy, which is more a prep problem. 65 minutes is a little low though. After changing up to 120 minutes with wbs I was having MUCH less wet grains.
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Mad Season said: Oh dear lord no. I'll get a quote from when I had this debate awhile back. There's a big difference between fully colonized and cleanly colonized.
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Mad Season said: Well there's a difference between colonized and cleanly colonized.
This is colonized: 
Lots of members have noticed cobweb and trich from jars that look like this or better. Wet spots are bacteria. Not wet grains or wet spots. To colonize cleanly is the hardest. I had to change my pc times to 2 hours to reduce it.
This is (ALMOST) cleanly colonized, that's how hard it is to have it completely clean. This isn't even completely clean:

This is completely clean spawn:

Anyone who's done this for awhile will testify this is the hardest part of the hobby and is what will dictate the success or failure of bulk.
All those jars had a mushroomy smell. A miniscule amount of bacteria will get overpowered by the mushroom musk. Especially if it is covering the surface
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Re: First time bulk. Wbs and some grain [Re: Mycologist217]
#23567879 - 08/23/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Regardless of everything, cant wait to see results.
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So in the future what can i do to avoid comtam. Im afraid If i move to a 2 hour pc time i might dry it to much( which ive read actaul might not be that bad)
To be honest these jars were fillied with the Grain and water amounts and let to sit for about ten hours in there jars Then capped shaken and pced. That might explain any starchy look to them. (I read about pple using there grain simmer juice to make LCs so I figured why would i want to lose Those nutrients)
When growth came in it was only from the inoc dripped areas. So im hoping for the best
Until i shook it there was zero growth anywhere else.
I have one last wbs Jar i havent shaken. Im curious to just let that sit and See If Any contam grows in the Non colinized Areas
Thanks Feedback. Im welcome To all criticism. Anything to help for better results
And yeah. I cant wait for the Results either.
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Maybe theres some good reading you guys can recommend to me on here about the finer points of getting to cleanly colonized. I been farting around the contam pages since i started my grow.
Im going to work now so I'll research more About this later
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Don't be scared....you look like you have a successful grow on your hands.
The first and foremost thing is to move away from direct inoculation with spores...
Don't let what I said worry you, it was just for the purpose of education. People here will eat you alive for boasting about bacterial spawn.
The fact is that bacterial spawn will still fruit fine...the fungus has mechanisms for defending itself....
Here is a mono tub i fruited with bacterial as fuck spawn:

Here's what it looked like when it started pinning:

Was the laughing stock of the post your cult pic of the day....people telling me to throw it away...they'd never fruit such a bacterial tub....but oh well...how they say....alls well that ends well...
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Re: First time bulk. Wbs and some grain [Re: Mycologist217]
#23568845 - 08/23/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok thats good to hear. I plan to move immediately away from spores. But you got to start each strain from somewhere. And im more rounded with growing than i am with LC or agar. I probable start with grain to grain but i know that can only get you so far. I know agar and lc are the goals. But thats for the future.
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Love seeing new growth when i get home
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Oh fuck. I loveeeee going away and coming home to new growth! One of the best feelinga
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four of the jars one of my newer strains are in I bought from reputable site. And I've noticed that their jars were very dry compared to mine. I thought they were too dry. Especially when the growth in my jars of the same strain is 3 to 5 times more growth than the site jars. But I will say that the growth in the jars from the site looks a lot more like the pictures of your clean jars. With no grains being squished against the glass. The mycelium seems slightly thinner also.
The jars from the site have the whole recipe. Gypsum and coffee or something. I got my gypsum too late to use in in these but will be in future jars.
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Cases the first jar this morinng 1/2" than spawn. 1/2" than spawn. The like 3/4". No casing layer. Want the firat jar quick
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This is apic from about a week ago
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Same jar as of yesterday. This jar was going fine. Same speed as the other jar that finished and is already cased. Its stalled. Im wodering if theres a way to fix it. I dont know whats up. My other jars that were inoced like a week later are passing this by
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That jar is fucked. Toss it.
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Re: First time bulk. Wbs and some grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23588339 - 08/28/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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What ratio of sub did you use for that one jar? I have one jar finishing soon and want to spawn it.

This look done? Should I shake?
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Re: First time bulk. Wbs and some grain [Re: Moabfighter]
#23588396 - 08/28/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I usesd a 1:1. But i wanted my first jar of my season as quick as possible. I dont reckomend that. I think most reckomend like a 3:1 or 4:1. But pasty should tell you. Hes more exp than me with bulk. I have years of brf exp. this is my first with this stuff
What reasons is it trash. Is it to dry? Its wheat berries. Thwy dont look like rye when done. Most of my jars are rye. I will wait a bit longer and then follow your instructions. It kills me to trash one of my first. But as im getting all my agar supplies within the next few days. Im not worried about having to wait until spore print to continue this strain.
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Closer to a 1:2 now that i think about it(as i pull out another pound bag of doodoo.). And realize the jar was omly 2/3 what it shoulda been
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That jar is a mess of bacteria and possibly yeast. I wouldn't do anything with that except dump it in the trash and wash the jar. Check that your cycle is at least 90 min and that your inoculate is clean.
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Re: First time bulk. Wbs and some grain [Re: Moabfighter]
#23588586 - 08/28/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Moabfighter said: What ratio of sub did you use for that one jar? I have one jar finishing soon and want to spawn it.

This look done? Should I shake?
That doesn't look the best but you can still spawn it. Don't use it to expand tho.
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Re: First time bulk. Wbs and some grain [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23589085 - 08/29/16 04:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really?
What looks wrong with it in you opinion? It's MS to grain. I know not advised. But j really took a lot of effort to not make overly wet which looks like I did a good job at....In real life I literally see nothing except white mycelium and some grains. Nothing looks dire wrong to me, so I don't know what to work on to improve it.
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Re: First time bulk. Wbs and some grain [Re: Mycologist217]
#23589466 - 08/29/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mycologist217 said: I don't want to rain on your parade, because your hypothetical grow will probably fruit, but those jars are riddled with Bacteria...you can tell because of the chunky thick look of the mycelium...the patchy growth...and the way the kernels get pressed up against the glass....here's some more info from my friend, Mad Season
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Mad Season said: I think we're talking about how it's sticky and starchy, which is more a prep problem. 65 minutes is a little low though. After changing up to 120 minutes with wbs I was having MUCH less wet grains.
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Mad Season said: Oh dear lord no. I'll get a quote from when I had this debate awhile back. There's a big difference between fully colonized and cleanly colonized.
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Mad Season said: Well there's a difference between colonized and cleanly colonized.
This is colonized: 
Lots of members have noticed cobweb and trich from jars that look like this or better. Wet spots are bacteria. Not wet grains or wet spots. To colonize cleanly is the hardest. I had to change my pc times to 2 hours to reduce it.
This is (ALMOST) cleanly colonized, that's how hard it is to have it completely clean. This isn't even completely clean:

This is completely clean spawn:

Anyone who's done this for awhile will testify this is the hardest part of the hobby and is what will dictate the success or failure of bulk.
All those jars had a mushroomy smell. A miniscule amount of bacteria will get overpowered by the mushroom musk. Especially if it is covering the surface
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Whats left of first batch. Brazil. Inoc 8/13
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Second batch b+. Inoc 8/18. Just shook em all after this pic
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Third batch golden teacher. Inoc 8/18. Looking good
And a fourth batch of 9 jars. Costa rican. Inoc 8/27. No growth yet.
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