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Jrizzill
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Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions...
#23540824 - 08/14/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello! First time grower here. For the sake of learning, I bought a complete growing kit from Midwest Grow Kits. While I know that Shroomery purists frown upon this, I simply wanted to take the "safe and easy" route for my first grow. So far, everything has gone smoothly! The setup is a Sterlite bin with only a couple of holes, a air-pump/humidifier for water/fresh air, a heating pad to achieve optimal temperatures, and a 5000k grow light on a 12/12 timer.
I just started the fruiting process a couple of days ago. Per several guides I've read, I'm fluctuating between the suggested 73-75 degrees in the terrarium. I have to use the heating pad under the terrarium to achieve this temp, as my house runs a little cold. I'm also sitting at 99% humidity. The heating pad is evaporating the water in my perlite, causing a lot of water to be collected all over the top and sides of the terrarium -- Is this good or bad? Also, I feel like the humidifier is pointless from a humidity perspective because I have so much moisture from the perlite... but I still have it running because I suppose it's good for airflow.
I'm starting to see some white fuzz on all of my cakes (see attached pics). I'm hoping this isn't some kind of contamination. I don't think it is, but I wanted to get the community's opinion. Some threads on Shroomery suggested that white fuzz could be because of over-watering/under-fanning, and that the cakes are drowning. Is this true, or am I just being paranoid? I also noticed that a lot of terrariums on the forums use the shotgun technique, with hundreds of holes, but my kit does not. Would the supplied air-pump be enough to provide fresh air exchange, or should I modify my kit to include holes?
Any suggestions you can provide would be much appreciated!
    
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Re: Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions... [Re: Jrizzill]
#23544935 - 08/15/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Any ideas on the white fuzz?
Thanks!
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Re: Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions... [Re: Jrizzill]
#23545009 - 08/15/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ditch the air pump, humidifier, heating pad, hygrometer. follow the PF tek and SGFC tek.
once you make it into a proper SGFC elevate it so that the holes you drill in the bottom under the perlite can get air flow.
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Re: Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions... [Re: bodhisatta]
#23545063 - 08/15/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions... [Re: Tripsahoy420]
#23556733 - 08/19/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, I ended up creating a SGFC, and the health of the cakes seems much better! -- however, how does everyone keep the temperature within recommended ranges without the use of a heating pad? My terrarium is ~10 deg lower without the heating pad.
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Re: Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions... [Re: Jrizzill]
#23556755 - 08/19/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good recommend temp range for fruiting cakes 60-100F
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Re: Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions... [Re: bodhisatta]
#23557148 - 08/19/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fuzz on bottoms of mushrooms... Need fresh air exchange..do yourself a favor.....make necessary corrections
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Re: Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions... [Re: theGODSmademedoit]
#23559994 - 08/20/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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theGODSmademedoit said: Fuzz on bottoms of mushrooms... Need fresh air exchange..do yourself a favor.....make necessary corrections
Thanks, but I don't have mushrooms yet. I just have cakes, and the fuzz was at the top -- however, now, the fuzz has mostly gone away now that I'm using a SGFC. I'll try and post pictures of the new setup soon.
Edited by Jrizzill (08/20/16 01:38 PM)
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Re: Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions... [Re: bodhisatta]
#23560014 - 08/20/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: Good recommend temp range for fruiting cakes 60-100F
Thanks for this info. My research has indicated the same. However, the majority of information I've gathered is that 70-74 degrees is the "sweet spot" for fruiting. My question is, if my room temperature is in the lower 60's -- how do I increase the temperature back to the sweet spot ranges without the use of a heating pad?
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Re: Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions... [Re: Jrizzill]
#23560086 - 08/20/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Use a space heater that doesn't have a fan on the other side of the room. Like the oil filled radiator kind
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Re: Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions... [Re: Jrizzill]
#23561224 - 08/20/16 08:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Forget the heater.
60F is fine. They will grow a tad bit slower but ime cubes fruited at lower temps tend to be more dense, not to mention at the lower temperatures contamination all but disappears.
As an added bonus most all of the nasty stuff that will attack your cakes prefer a temperature above 72F.
Slightly slower growth is the trade-off for more dense fruits and lower contamination rates. I would say that's a good trade.
I was going to tell you to make sure you fan that chamber five or ten times a day because that little dinky airpump is not providing enough fresh air. I would say that you would need about eight of those for the size tub you have, but you already said you made a sgfc, so that should eliminate your worries as far as fresh air is concerned.
Welcome to the shroomery and good luck with your grow!
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Re: Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions... [Re: george castanza]
#23561860 - 08/21/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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george castanza said: Forget the heater.
60F is fine. They will grow a tad bit slower but ime cubes fruited at lower temps tend to be more dense, not to mention at the lower temperatures contamination all but disappears.
As an added bonus most all of the nasty stuff that will attack your cakes prefer a temperature above 72F.
Slightly slower growth is the trade-off for more dense fruits and lower contamination rates. I would say that's a good trade.
I was going to tell you to make sure you fan that chamber five or ten times a day because that little dinky airpump is not providing enough fresh air. I would say that you would need about eight of those for the size tub you have, but you already said you made a sgfc, so that should eliminate your worries as far as fresh air is concerned.
Welcome to the shroomery and good luck with your grow!

This is an awesome post that many people need to see. Far to often I see people trying to heat their grow rooms up. As long as the temperature isn't sub 55f then let it ROLL! Contams don't like the colder temps, imo that's exactly where you want to be!
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Re: Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions... [Re: morty422]
#23568238 - 08/23/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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When growing with colonized bulk sub in trays can you remove the colonized rye grain brick from the tray and put it in the fruiting chamber or should it be left in the tray?
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Re: Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions... [Re: Infinite curiosity]
#23568268 - 08/23/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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heat is need sometimes like all winter and most of the summer since my growroom/ basement is never colder then 13 f and never warmer then 52f. infinte curiosity? what? and when it comes to fresh air for mushrooms think of them as puppies. if a puppy would die form lack of air so with the mushy
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Re: Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions... [Re: tump]
#23568291 - 08/23/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have always used brf cakes but recently decided to try growing bulk. I colonized bulk substrate using rye berry seeds and now I'm wondering if I should put the trays in my fruiting chamber or remove the colonized rye grain brick from the tray and put it in fc. I know typically people put the trays in but was wondering what would happen if I removed the consolidated sub from the tray and put it in the fc.
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Re: Fruiting: A couple of first-time grower questions... [Re: george castanza]
#23581633 - 08/26/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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george castanza said: Forget the heater.
60F is fine. They will grow a tad bit slower but ime cubes fruited at lower temps tend to be more dense, not to mention at the lower temperatures contamination all but disappears.
As an added bonus most all of the nasty stuff that will attack your cakes prefer a temperature above 72F.
Slightly slower growth is the trade-off for more dense fruits and lower contamination rates. I would say that's a good trade.
I was going to tell you to make sure you fan that chamber five or ten times a day because that little dinky airpump is not providing enough fresh air. I would say that you would need about eight of those for the size tub you have, but you already said you made a sgfc, so that should eliminate your worries as far as fresh air is concerned.
Welcome to the shroomery and good luck with your grow!

This is exactly the kind of information I needed! Really appreciate the advice... I will definitely get rid of the heating pad. And I've already dumped the air pump since I now have a SGFC.
BTW, the cakes finally fruited -- got a decent yield for my first dunk -- not bad for a beginner!
Another question though... some cakes fruited earlier than others, so I ended up picking different cakes on different days. This went on for about 4 days, with the last batch being done today. Went to re-dunk the cakes tonight, and after washing off the vermiculite I had originally rolled my cakes in, I noticed some green and blue colors in a few spots. It was mainly where I had picked mushrooms off, so I suspected those spots were just bruising -- however, there were a few spots where I don't remember an actual mushroom growing. Is it possible the cake itself was bruised, or is it more likely contamination? I can upload pictures if need-be.
Thanks!
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