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Dunk'n'roll step
    #23540619 - 08/14/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Suggestion:

One of the BRF cake dunk'n'roll steps says to roll the cake you've dunked for 24 hrs in DRY verm. And then, RR says to place it in your shotgun terrarium, wait half an hour, and then mist, -that it's better to leave the cakes for that length of time, so the verm adheres better.

This doesn't really work. When you spray the cake rolled in dry verm, the verm comes off precisely because it's dry. Why not first spray your dry verm in a tray, and then roll the cake? Then place it in the terrarium. The verm then properly sticks to the cake and you're done. The cake is now soaking in the moisture. Then subsequent sprayings do not become pointless exercises in spraying off the verm all over your perlite and having to constantly repeat the roll step.

I move to update this step. Opinions?


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #23540756 - 08/14/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The dry verm should stick easily to the freshly dunked cake bc it's wet. Really there's no reason to mist that soon after dunking anyways, but remember not to mist the cakes too close. Hold the sprayer a foot or two above the sgfc and let the mist fall on the cakes. It sounds like you are misting too close or too heavily if the verm is coming off that easy.


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: CosmoKramer]
    #23540793 - 08/14/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If anything you need to let the cake sit with the dry verm even longer. I would give it an hour. Also you are supposed to mist the cakes, not spray the hell outta em. A gentle mist from 3 feet away should not cause an excessive amount of verm to come off.


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: CosmoKramer]
    #23540920 - 08/14/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ok. Maybe I'm being a bit heavy-handed.


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #23540931 - 08/14/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok. Maybe I'm being a bit heavy-handed.



You can see RR spraying at the very start of this. I do my misting even lighter. I have a pressure mister and do it from a higher height.






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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23540934 - 08/14/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, Pasty, point taken.

However I'm not sure what is the point of your comment:

"If anything you need to let the cake sit with the dry verm even longer".

Why are we letting the cake sit for an hour? What is that going to do before we mist?


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #23540948 - 08/14/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just allows the verm to stick better IME. I'm not really a cake guy tho so my experience is limited.


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23541003 - 08/14/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Going back to OP, where he asks why not to just spray verm in a tray and then roll. I think its a good idea, should not do anything bad.:thumbup:


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Yerow]
    #23541047 - 08/14/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Going back to OP, where he asks why not to just spray verm in a tray and then roll. I think its a good idea, should not do anything bad.:thumbup:




Try it and see why we don't do it like that.


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23541075 - 08/14/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I did, my first many times with cakes, because the verm fell off and messed up my sgfc. (clean freak here)

It's going to be getting moist no matter what, so why not do it first, instead of waiting for most of the verm on the cakes to stick. Does not make much sense.

Tell me why you think it is a bad idea, pasty? :smile:

It's a very small detail to change, and nothing that would hurt. To spray the verm moist in a tray, rather than waiting half hour/hour to spray them in the tub.. Again, it does not make much sense.

EDIT AGAIN, do you think that something happens in the hour you wait for the verm to stick that contributes in any way for the cakes to act differently? I think not.


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #23541094 - 08/14/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Why are we letting the cake sit for an hour?



I guess it gives time for the water to soak into the verm and so stick a bit better. I would compare it to getting flour or breadcrumbs to stick to chicken before cooking it. You roll cut chicken in flour, and/or in egg and then dry breadcrumbs. A while later the dry flour has drawn moisture out of the wetter chicken an is sticking well. Breadcrumbs may stick instantly to wet egg but if they were prewetted with egg or water I would not expect them to stick as well.

I have not done it with cakes but just presume its similar.


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: blackout]
    #23541100 - 08/14/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Nope blackout, because in that hour we have not sprayed the verm, only place the verm would meet moisture is the bottom layer that is touching the wet cake. Hence the outer layer of verm falling off :thumbup:

Do we put a dry casing layer on our bulk subs and then spray it to moisten it? No we dont, that would be silly :smile:


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Yerow]
    #23541113 - 08/14/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Nope blackout, because in that hour we have not sprayed the verm, only place the verm would meet moisture is the bottom layer that is touching the wet cake. Hence the outer layer of verm falling off :thumbup:



Maybe that is the aim, to make sure only a small layer is added, just like if you dust chicken with dry flour, rather than dip it in wet flour batter. It might automatically limit the amount been added to the cake.


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: blackout]
    #23541123 - 08/14/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I suppose, in my experience though a nice thick layer of verm gives happier mushrooms. You want that casing to be nice and moist, makes no sense to wait half/hour to moisten it :smile:


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Yerow]
    #23541173 - 08/14/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wet verm doesn't stick well to the cakes at all. It is a pain to get it covered.


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23541191 - 08/14/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Now thats a proper thought. Never had issues with that though. Tried using fine verm?


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Yerow]
    #23541198 - 08/14/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No. I just stopped doing cakes. But the last time I did cakes I didn't even birth em. Just slapped some coir on top and top fruited them still in the jars.


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23541214 - 08/14/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Heh yeah, thats what i ended up doing too just with verm, until i started doing cvg tubs/now the gourmets.


I'd like to say, based on my experience with cakes that rolling in fine moist verm works the same as rolling in dry, your perlite just wont get as much verm on it as before, which is no factor at all

So... OP, if it works for you with rolling in moist verm, it's fine. Alternatively you could do as pasty said, just keep em in jars and give a small casing, verm would work fine.


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Yerow]
    #23541364 - 08/14/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My own thoughts excellently expressed. Took words out of my mouth. Thank you. I mean while it's true that when a first-time novice, you want to follow instructions to the letter and not improvise before you know what you're doing, after you get a little beyond that stage, it never loses validity to question the meaning of a particular step, rather than, like religious dogma, to just slavishly accept it on faith, yeah? That's how progress in techniques occur.


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Galaxytripper]
    #23541378 - 08/14/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: Yerow]
    #23541461 - 08/14/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Try it. Report back. The only issue I have with most "experiments" people have is when they are uncontrolled. This should be a pretty easy one to control tho. One set of cakes rolled in dry verm, one set rolled in wet.


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    #23543439 - 08/15/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I dip and roll my cakes, but they already have a perfect water content.

The idea of letting the cake sit allows the excess moisture on the cake to leach outward into the verm helping it to form a cohesive mass. Letting it sit even longer also allows the myc to begin colonizing said verm, again helping to develop the cohesion.

With that being said the way I always like to do it is after I have gotten a nice thick coating of vermiculite all over my cakes and they have been placed lovingly in their chamber I then get my plate or pan or whatever it was I rolled the cakes on.

[I'm going to stop here and backtrack the process to explain that when you roll a wet cake in dry verm you get way more verm to stick to the cake than any other way that I know of, also it is a one shot kind of deal meaning that you only roll the surface once, any more going back and rolling trying to get more verm to stick will only get verm to fall off. As well if your verm in the pan your rolling on becomes moist then it won't adhere near as well as if it were bone dry, so I continue to replenish the dry verm as I go, this creates a good amount of moist verm around the edges of your verm pile especially if you're doing a lot of cakes]

The way I do it is to hold one finger on each end of the cake and make a single roll thru the dry verm pile, then gently put my fingers on the rolled edges and stamp each end gently but firmly onto the dry verm pile and then gently set on piece of foil in chamber. This gives a very thick coating of vermiculite on the cakes, but this coating is easily disturbed when fresh, hence the repeated use of terms like lovingly and gently. Now I take my rolling tray with all of the leftover moist verm on it and if it's not moist enough I go ahead and wet it down, then I grab a pinch of the wet verm and very gently put it on top of the cake being as careful as I can not to disturb anything, this takes a steady hand and can be quite tedious but is a necessary part of the process. Continue until all cakes have an extra wet pile on top.

OK so we got our cakes phreshly and phatly coated. Time to take a break and smoke a bowl maybe get a little something to eat, hell maybe even knock off a slice of pie if the old lady is in the mood, watch TV , play a video game, whatever. The point here is to get refreshed because the next part takes a fair amount of concentration and energy, so you want to feel fresh.

Ok, so I have a big pump sprayer that I use for misting when I have a lot of misting to do but I don't use it for this part of the process because it is way too powerful. What I do is to take a spray bottle and hold the nozzle about a half inch from the top of the cake and give it a gentle squeeze. This soaks down the verm and you can see the verm on the sides of the cake change color as well as readjust slightly as it becomes moist. Pull the trigger very slowly because too fast will certainly splash your verm everywhere, I've tried droppers, turkey basters and other things, nothing else gives you control over the water flow like a spray bottle so that's my standard tool for this. Go from cake to cake, refilling your bottle often because whenever it gets half empty it stops working because of the angle you're holding it at.

If you check out the cakes in my gallery you will see a monster top layer of vermiculite on them. Want a big flush? Got to get water to your substrate!


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Re: Dunk'n'roll step [Re: george castanza]
    #23544118 - 08/15/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure why you guys have had such issues with rolling in moist verm.






All rolled in moist COARSE verm, before i found fine verm was better


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