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what is a tree made of?
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this question isn't a teacher's question where I am examining a class. it is something I am currently thinking about and am interested in others input~~~
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: zzripz]
#23540121 - 08/14/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you have to write a treetise on it?
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: zzripz]
#23540150 - 08/14/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hope you don't get board doing the assignment.
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A tree is made up of matter and energy. It is structured by the codings of DNA, the inherent structure of matter and energy, and the dynamics of its environment.
You can go anywhere from that viewpoint.
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: iiilil]
#23540167 - 08/14/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I could take or leave your viewpoint.
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: iiilil]
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tree will?
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iiilil said: A tree is made up of matter and energy. It is structured by the codings of DNA, the inherent structure of matter and energy, and the dynamics of its environment.
You can go anywhere from that viewpoint.
solid answer
expounding on that: carbon, nitrogen, calcium, iron, etc....
further: roots, xylem, phloem, cambium
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: zzripz]
#23540257 - 08/14/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tree is a class, if you're talking about the thing with wood, bark and leaves.
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: falcon]
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Math Knowledge...and a source of life to grown..specific set thinsg that a tree needs to grow and learn..which is life love and some aspect of truth..indeed it is a complete geometrical prize..inside the price of growing is the chaos of life..but the surety that it will..is indeed order!
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EternalCowabunga said: there is no tree inside a tree. 
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: zzripz]
#23541267 - 08/14/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's emptree.
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Is that a Rapunzel quote?
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I think you got the pun out of the forest, I hope it didn't hurt itself when it fell
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: zzripz]
#23541360 - 08/14/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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zzripz said: ?
this question isn't a teacher's question where I am examining a class. it is something I am currently thinking about and am interested in others input~~~
I thought you already answered the question, in the other thread:
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zzripz said: 'no-thing' means really no 'thing'. What do we think of as 'things'. Is that tree over there a 'thing'? Is it 'stuff'. OR is it rather patterning, active intelligence dynamically interrelated with the whole universe? …
What more do you want?
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'Tree' is actually an indeterminate object. At the root level, the micro-hairs cannot be separated from the soil from which it feeds. And even if you could, to remove a tree from its environment is to kill it.
it is like the word "hand". There is no such thing except as a convenient descriptor. A hand removed from the body is not a hand (without nerves and tendons, it performs no functions) - and attached to the body, is not a separate entity that can specifically demarcated.
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Plants both respond to the environment and communicate with each other.
Interesting investigation of antelope and trees in Africa, etc. Although the word 'think' is questionable, a form of communication is shown.
"BBC How Plants Communicate & Think - Amazing Nature Documentary"
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Plants invented cellular phones.
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i thought Al Gore did that
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The first words transmitted by one plant to another were "What's stomata?"
True story.
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It makes more sense if you realize that was an Italian Cypress doing the talking.
The first plant sci-fi author was Jules Fern.
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A tree is made of determination to adhere to a specific design and then add artistic touches here and there, just like the rest of us.
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: nuentoter]
#23543286 - 08/15/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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OK imagine~~~~ you have ingested a psychedelic and are walking through the woods, and you stop and observe a tree and someone one asks:
'what is a tree made of?'
how do you think you would respond?
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: zzripz]
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how do you think you would wood respond?
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Conscious art and expression of the simple beauty of life
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apparently you have planted a riddle that has stumped us all the yeast I can say is that I have hopped from one possibility to another, but have probably barley scratched the surface I wood have tried longer, but felt I had already taken too long so please beer with me on this
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Now you are just being silly.
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are you readjusting the frame of reference, or just beside yourself with the actual gravity of the situation?
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: zzripz]
#23545741 - 08/15/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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zzripz said: OK imagine~~~~ you have ingested a psychedelic and are walking through the woods, and you stop and observe a tree and someone one asks:
'what is a tree made of?'
how do you think you would respond?
I would ask, which tree. It is unlikely for me to be in the woods after ingesting a psychedelic, it is likely for me then to be at the edge of the woods. I'd ask, what are we doing in the woods when I prefer the edge of the woods after ingesting psychedelics.
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zzripz said: OK imagine~~~~ you have ingested a psychedelic and are walking through the woods, and you stop and observe a tree and someone one asks:
'what is a tree made of?'
how do you think you would respond?
Love, of course.
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: falcon]
#23545761 - 08/15/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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tree is wood. wood is meant to be stable, long-lasting, they are older than most life, save some micro-animals, like the water bear.
wood comes from the nature of evolution. before plants were, i think, (i may need to further research this subject) more fibrous, more or less shell like...as they came from the water...plants then adjusted to the atmosphere, and became more porous.
allowing for great construction materials, and also, an ecology landscape for the environment. holds soil nutrients and composition for further growth and which helps new plant-life to grow.
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: falcon]
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falcon said:
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zzripz said: OK imagine~~~~ you have ingested a psychedelic and are walking through the woods, and you stop and observe a tree and someone one asks:
'what is a tree made of?'
how do you think you would respond?
I would ask, which tree. It is unlikely for me to be in the woods after ingesting a psychedelic, it is likely for me then to be at the edge of the woods. I'd ask, what are we doing in the woods when I prefer the edge of the woods after ingesting psychedelics.
odd response
so, asking me the question: I would observe and feel the tree to be flowing. NOT seeming static, object-like. So I would be aware just how my consciousness is deeply related to my observation (of course there would be lots of giggling too, because the question would crack me up) I would really see that 'tree' is a tag we use. what is the 'TREE' made of is taking the label an abstraction as being reality. Like when you say 'it' is raining. What is that 'it'
And I like what Jokeshopbeard said: 'love'. I would leave it at 'that'
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: zzripz]
#23546411 - 08/16/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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a tree is also a spiral. that's also what a tree is.
it's not love. unless you mean love as some sort of virus that promotes existence through it's viral nature, but in that case, it's only a part of love.
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OrgoneConclusion said: 'Tree' is actually an indeterminate object. At the root level, the micro-hairs cannot be separated from the soil from which it feeds. And even if you could, to remove a tree from its environment is to kill it.
it is like the word "hand". There is no such thing except as a convenient descriptor. A hand removed from the body is not a hand (without nerves and tendons, it performs no functions) - and attached to the body, is not a separate entity that can specifically demarcated.
Actually the question was 'what is a tree made of?' 'not what is a tree?'
perhaps it's odd to point this out?; and perhaps he meant something other that what he posted?
but actually no definition was requested.
In terms of what a tree is your point about connectedness seems valid, but fails to distinguish between a tree and a hand.
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SHUZAN held up his staff and waved it before his monks.
"If you call this a staff," he said, "you deny its eternal life. If you do not call this a staff, you deny its present fact. Tell me just what do you propose to call it?"
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Zen Master Seung Sahn held up his staff in front of old Shifu Miao Zhang, and said "Then, Miao Zhang, what are this staff, this sound and your mind? Are they the same or different? If you say "same," I will hit you thirty times. If you say "different," I will also hit you thirty times. Why?" Miao Zhang lifted his cane slowly and pointed it at Seung Sahn's face, and then he said "Don't know! Same or different, nobody can hit the sound of our minds."
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Zen Master Shuzan held out his short staff in front of his Daoist friend, Shifu Miao Zhang, and said "If you call this a short staff, you oppose its reality and are clinging. If you do not call it a short staff, then you ignore the fact. Now what do you wish to call this?" Miao Zhang smiled, dropped and pointed to his cane, and said "Yesterday it was a wooden walking stick that helped without speaking. Tomorrow it may become firewood, crackling in the flames."
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Maybe there is no separation between a tree and your hand, only perception separates them.
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: nuentoter]
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can you pick apples off your hand?
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: nuentoter]
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nuentoter said: Maybe there is no separation between a tree and your hand, only perception separates them.
did you miss this, from the post above?:
Zen Master Shuzan held out his short staff in front of his Daoist friend, Shifu Miao Zhang, and said "If you call this a short staff, you oppose its reality and are clinging. If you do not call it a short staff, then you ignore the fact. Now what do you wish to call this?"
this issue was clarified hundreds of years ago
the response is even included above
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I read it
The response is useless btw, koans are designed to be paradoxical and made to bring questions not answers.
They are generally used to show the inadequacy of the logical path of thinking
Simply to do the same using my words, create question.
I do not believe the intention of a koan is to clarify anything, but rather purposely muddy it up
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: nuentoter]
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nuentoter said: I read it
The response is useless btw, koans are designed to be paradoxical and made to bring questions not answers.
They are generally used to show the inadequacy of the logical path of thinking
Simply to do the same using my words, create question.
I do not believe the intention of a koan is to clarify anything, but rather purposely muddy it up
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a tree, like every thing, is made of sun.
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"People look at a tree and think it comes out of the ground, that plants grow out of the ground, " he says, but "if you ask, where does the substance [of the tree] come from? You find out ... trees come out of the air!" Richard Feynman
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: zzripz]
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air + water. elixir of life.
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OrgoneConclusion said: What is a plant's favorite beer?
Root Beer of course.
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Re: what is a tree made of? [Re: psillyboy]
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For those with poor public speaking skills in an open hall: a tree um
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