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Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip?
    #23539445 - 08/14/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Every time I've done DMT I've tripped hard and had intense closed eye visuals, but I don't feel like I've ever fully blasted off.

I'm always still completely aware of my surroundings and my body and can open my eyes at any time.

Is this normal? or is blasting off something different?

I've tried the sandwich method in a bong, an oil burner, and most recently a vapor genie pipe. All with roughly the same result.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: jsncrs]
    #23539458 - 08/14/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Try salvia


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: MushroomAreTheKey]
    #23539466 - 08/14/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I too recently got some dmt and have not blasted off yet, ive read so much and watched so many vids, seems theres three stages, ive had stage one where can feel it, stage two is described as being in a tunnel, stage three blast off or break through where you go somewhere else and are no longer aware of your body or surroundings etc. When you return feels were gone longer than you were.

This is from research as i wana breakthrough but need to improve my technique i think, i have a meth pipe for it :facepalm: never thought id own one of those lmao!

Good luck to you, im sure will happen in time for us. I believe needs three big puffs on it to get there. But ive not managed yet.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: MushroomAreTheKey]
    #23539482 - 08/14/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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MushroomAreTheKey said:
Try salvia




I've tried Salvia before (30x)


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: Spellbound]
    #23539494 - 08/14/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Man I really wanna experience that blast off. Might have to work on my technique also.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: jsncrs]
    #23539522 - 08/14/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I know exactly how you feel! Haha so frustrating.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: Spellbound]
    #23539562 - 08/14/16 01:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I had a rough dmt extract awhile ago smoked about 60mgs of it had 3 massive hits in a cone with cannabis on top and bottom but because it was like waxxy and quite impure I couldn't break through but got to a stage where I was blinded by the intense closed and open eye visuals of geometric shapes ripping my reality to shreds and life becoming the most bizarrely textured it was almost like silk but with almost like a lego twist to it I felt like I was in a game or something but x 100 I found this quite scary because I wasn't expecting it to be so intense and slightly terrifying.

I've smoked DMT 5 times now once on psilocybin and the other times while sober but because of the extract being impure it's proven impossible to break through last time I smoked it I had smoked all that remained which I estimate to be 60-70mgs I smoked it till a stage where I was too confused and startled to continue I now have a much purer batch that will definitely be sufficient to provide me with a breakthrough but haven't had enough courage yet.

It's just because of these past experiences that have been bizzare and not at all profound that I have quite bad anxiety to take that step again I think about it everyday and felt so gutted to not breakthrough to this incredible place that we often hear so much about. In due time though. First post on this account was on shroomery for a few years A while back and have just gotten back into it.
Just find the experience so intense on every single sensory level possible. Shits underrated as fuck
Bit of a rant but I am in the same boat! Hope we all reach that place soon enough. Peace :smile:


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: zonin] * 5
    #23539588 - 08/14/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

When you have a proper hit of DMT, you don't have eyes to open :lol:

With a breakthrough dose, there is no 'you'. Your whole life, memories, family/friends and everything about your existence is completely gone.

All of your thoughts, feelings and emotions ceast to exist (which thankfully includes fear) with the exception of one which stays with you the whole time. Love.

When you come back and open your eyes you look around you and don't recognise anything, even your best buddy.
Coming back from my last breakthrough I was looking at my hands thinking wtf are these, they're connected to this thing (my arm) and that's connected to... Wtf. Gradually everything about 'this' life starts to come back to you while the memory of the experience starts to fade away like a dream.

If you are having trouble breaking through, this has worked for me every single time.

Dissolve a good dose of DMT in a little bit of warm naptha, and add a good bowls worth of weed/herb.
Put it under a fan to evaporate, then load it up into a bong with a thin layer of herb/weed on top.
Light the bowl and start pulling slowly, removing the flame as soon as you get a good cherry going.
Just before the smoke hits your lips, stop and breathe all the way out, then hit it hard. Hold the smoke in until you die :smile:


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23539616 - 08/14/16 01:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Would you say a breakthrough is less likely to end negatively then a dose that doesn't suffice? I feel as though the breakthrough would be much more profound and not as irrelevant as I have found my past trips to be


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: zonin] * 1
    #23539637 - 08/14/16 01:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Would you say a breakthrough is less likely to end negatively then a dose that doesn't suffice? I feel as though the breakthrough would be much more profound and not as irrelevant as I have found my past trips to be




Its difficult to explain, but during a breakthrough there is no positive or negative. There just IS.
Its when you get back and become 'you' again that you are able to analyse the experience and attach a negative or positive label to it.
Personally I have never once had a negative experience having broken through 5 times. I find sub breakthrough doses more difficult to handle because I am still able to think and tend to 'overthink' creating unnecessary anxiety/fear.
When you breakthrough, you don't 'think' or react. You just observe and experience.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23539680 - 08/14/16 02:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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All of your thoughts, feelings and emotions ceast to exist (which thankfully includes fear) with the exception of one which stays with you the whole time. Love.






What you have just said has really put my mind at ease I always had the belief that it would be as you have described in above posts that once you reach that state you don't have time to think about stupid shit that might bum you out. but having no personal breakthrough experience means I can only compare from the experiences I have had and they have mostly been negative because I have been putting all my energy into breakthrough but not being able to obtain that experience. I will give it ago as soon as possible hopefully in the next weekend and shouldn't have any issues just the anxiety before I even get to toking it up can get quite high.

Really appreciate the above posts bro I truly cannot wait to breakthrough hope everyone else gets there soon as well


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: zonin]
    #23539742 - 08/14/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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All of your thoughts, feelings and emotions ceast to exist (which thankfully includes fear) with the exception of one which stays with you the whole time. Love.






What you have just said has really put my mind at ease I always had the belief that it would be as you have described in above posts that once you reach that state you don't have time to think about stupid shit that might bum you out. but having no personal breakthrough experience means I can only compare from the experiences I have had and they have mostly been negative because I have been putting all my energy into breakthrough but not being able to obtain that experience. I will give it ago as soon as possible hopefully in the next weekend and shouldn't have any issues just the anxiety before I even get to toking it up can get quite high.

Really appreciate the above posts bro I truly cannot wait to breakthrough hope everyone else gets there soon as well




No worries bro, and I wish you the best of luck :smile:
As for the pre-flight anxiety, I still get it every single time. Even though I know I'll be fine, I know I'm safe and I kinda know what to expect, it is always there before blasting off into the unknown. You just have to learn to embrace it rather than ignore it (easier said than done).
It can also help to remind yourself that no matter what happens, it will all be over in a matter of minutes :smile:

My advice would be to try the method I described above and don't 'try' to breakthrough. Just relax, fully surrender and let the DMT take you.

In my experience a breakthrough is nothing like a sub breakthrough. They are two completely different experiences.

As Terence McKenna once said, its like hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it's a feather bed.

Safe travels brother :smile:


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23539917 - 08/14/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Load a 100mg.
Try to hold hits in for 10seconds at least. Very important the hits should be long and slow. Not like weed or cig hits. Like full lung hits. Take at least 3 hits.
If that doesn't work I don't know.

If you do it right you won't realize you have eyes to open or close. :lol:
Usually I know it's going to happen if the ringing sound is insanely intense and sometimes the strong feeling "oh fuck I did it now"


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23539926 - 08/14/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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the strong feeling "oh fuck I did it now"



Every single time :lol:


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie] * 1
    #23540220 - 08/14/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I disagree with this. I've had many breakthroughs, and I did not cease to exist. I was very much myself, but transported into a completely different world. The thing that always stood out was how cogntively intact I was in this world. Able to think, feel a rush of feelings. Mostly love, wonder, and amazement. But I was very much there. It wasn't an ego-loss situation, but a transport to a paradise unlike any other. Then back again.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: MushroomAreTheKey]
    #23540327 - 08/14/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Try salvia




Why would you tell someone to smoke a nightmarish dissociative leaf over DMT?


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: zonin]
    #23540363 - 08/14/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Just find the experience so intense on every single sensory level possible. Shits underrated as fuck




So is it intense physically as well? Because that's kind of what worries me the most. There were many times on LSD where I felt 'more aware' of my body and internal organs and stuff and I absolutely hated it. Does DMT do this at all?

I'm not a fan of body highs or really anything that makes me more aware of my body. Some people describe it differently and say on DMT you no longer have a body but I dunno..


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23540380 - 08/14/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I assume the experience is different for everybody. I find that a breakthrough is frustrating to explain properly because the words to describe it don't exist. I can only share my own personal experiences as best I can, which may be completely different from yours, but that's the beauty of it :laugh:

Whenever I have broken through, the self seems to fall away. When I feel this start to happen my first instinct is to fight it, then I give into it and let go.
If you have ever been skydiving, this feeling can somewhat be compared to that split second you leave the plane, but like x1000000.
Everything is released, my thoughts, my memories, everything. My whole world is completely wiped.
What is left after everything is gone is the true DMT experience. No language spoken or written can do it any justice. Its like being stunned in pure awe, beautiful, unfathomable and just as real as the environment around you right now. There is no longer such thing as time and even the concept of it is unfathomable.
When I first come out of a breakthrough, it honestly feels like I have been gone for days, weeks or even years. My stopwatch usually says around 8 minutes. I look around and reality seems like a dream compared to the realness of where I just was, however the memory of the experience quickly fades and becomes a lot more dreamlike and imaginary.
Like I said it is impossible to explain. I could write a novel and it would barely scratch the tip of the iceberg. If you really want to know what it's like, there is only one way to find out. Direct experience.

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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23540393 - 08/14/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks wolfie, I read your other responses as well and they're really helpful so I am thankful for you taking the time to explain to others.

It seems like from the sound of a lot of people's experiences that when you're in DMT world you can't really remember this world and when you're in this world you can't really remember the DMT world.

It seems like once you enter the DMT space all 3 dimensional reality is wiped away and it becomes purely 4 dimensional reality which is why our 3 dimensional minds probably can't retain it.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23540397 - 08/14/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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zonin said:

Just find the experience so intense on every single sensory level possible. Shits underrated as fuck




So is it intense physically as well? Because that's kind of what worries me the most. There were many times on LSD where I felt 'more aware' of my body and internal organs and stuff and I absolutely hated it. Does DMT do this at all?

I'm not a fan of body highs or really anything that makes me more aware of my body. Some people describe it differently and say on DMT you no longer have a body but I dunno..




I also find this unpleasant and have experienced it a few times with lower doses. It almost feels like being poisoned and I feel my heart beating hard and fast.
When you breakthrough, you no longer have a body or any attachment to your senses. Its like when you dream, you are completely unaware of your physical body, your heart rate and any of your senses.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23540411 - 08/14/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I also find this unpleasant and have experienced it a few times with lower doses. It almost feels like being poisoned and I feel my heart beating hard and fast.
When you breakthrough, you no longer have a body or any attachment to your senses. Its like when you dream, you are completely unaware of your physical body, your heart rate and any of your senses.




Oh okay I see


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23540421 - 08/14/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It seems like from the sound of a lot of people's experiences that when you're in DMT world you can't really remember this world



You could compare this to when you are asleep and in a dream, you completely forget about your real life and the dream is your reality. Same thing, only your not dreaming :P


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23540742 - 08/14/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Have enough and your eyes will open while they are closed

Dark Star is also on point with his comment. It takes A LOT to truly shed your ego all the way, theres a lot of layers between here and there and the in betweens can be so extreme that you can't help but think there can't be more.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #23540809 - 08/14/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

if you actually breakthrough you're completely unaware you have a body or eyes. atleast for me


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: rickjamez20]
    #23540833 - 08/14/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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if you actually breakthrough you're completely unaware you have a body or eyes. atleast for me




This is the same for me. I've had amazing times where this didn't happen but it's just not the same for me.

I've had no idea I was from earth or what I was before. Coming back was strange as fuck. I slowly regained bodily/human awareness and was flooded with joy/euphoria upon realizing I was alive as a human being :lol:

These type of breakthroughs stay with me for a really long time like the afterglow does.
They tend to leave me in awe at everything. I'll just be staring at trees and think "those are majestic as fuck"

My mind will also stay clearer after these trips. I'll be able to focus more on just being aware of awareness and not having unnecessary random thoughts all the time.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23540882 - 08/14/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Damn DMT sounds crazy. Some people saying they forget who they are and what they are and some other people saying you burst into the DMT space exactly who you were before. Or maybe that's just two different things entirely.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23540958 - 08/14/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There really is no preparation for such a profound unique experience. People can tell you everything they can and once you take that hit that catapults your mind to oblivion it's done with. All your thoughts are dropped off at the door and your on your own if you can even call it that. Most powerful ego shattering reality ripping experience you can come by from a drug. What a beautiful and wonderful thing.

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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: rickjamez20]
    #23541035 - 08/14/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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if you actually breakthrough you're completely unaware you have a body or eyes. atleast for me



Pretty much this. When I get the strong sub-breakthrough visuals like the infinite kalidescopic patterns over everything it can get alittle overwhelming. I would close my eyes for bit then open them again throughout the trip.

My last trip my room looked like it was on fire and alive while my posters were swirling looking like flaming vortexes. When I closed my eyes tho I had the most beautiful pattern moving towards me almost like it was alive and  I was asking it to come closer haha.
Tho it was weird how my reality was looking almost horrific but when I closed my eyes it was more serene and beautiful.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23541236 - 08/14/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I disagree with this. I've had many breakthroughs, and I did not cease to exist. I was very much myself, but transported into a completely different world. The thing that always stood out was how cogntively intact I was in this world. Able to think, feel a rush of feelings. Mostly love, wonder, and amazement. But I was very much there. It wasn't an ego-loss situation, but a transport to a paradise unlike any other. Then back again.




I have to agree with him. You're basically transported to the spirit realm or a world without physical. They are different location that you can go in the DMT world. I remember one of my trip, my entity/"guardian" brought me into a "Library" to basically show me that even in this realm, they still learn. While following my "guardians", I could see other entities, walking past be minding their own business.

Pretty cool, imo.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: Bumbaa]
    #23541258 - 08/14/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I want to tell you what I tell my friends who don't break through: there is no such thing as one type of correct DMT trip. Sure there are breakthroughs and there are trips where you see your surroundings but they're all wonderful in their own way. Every dmt trip is wildly different and I don't know why. Maybe what you get is what's "proper" for you that day.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23541814 - 08/14/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I disagree with this. I've had many breakthroughs, and I did not cease to exist. I was very much myself, but transported into a completely different world. The thing that always stood out was how cogntively intact I was in this world. Able to think, feel a rush of feelings. Mostly love, wonder, and amazement. But I was very much there. It wasn't an ego-loss situation, but a transport to a paradise unlike any other. Then back again.





^^^That's how I find the nature of DMT to be as well.

With my relatively few "breakthroughs", and quite a handful of folks I've spoken to and stories I've read on here over the years....The "I" remains very much intact with DMT, while one is simply transported somewhere else. Generally speaking, DMT doesn't seem to annihilate the "ego" in ways that high doses of mushrooms or LSD can.









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Just find the experience so intense on every single sensory level possible. Shits underrated as fuck




So is it intense physically as well? Because that's kind of what worries me the most. There were many times on LSD where I felt 'more aware' of my body and internal organs and stuff and I absolutely hated it. Does DMT do this at all?

I'm not a fan of body highs or really anything that makes me more aware of my body. Some people describe it differently and say on DMT you no longer have a body but I dunno..






To me, I find DMT to be very intense physically, but not really at all in the same way that LSD is. And it's just a generally intense experience all around, like zonin said...though it can be absolutely sublime and peaceful in some ways, but very intense/powerful stuff.


I know that exact sensation you're speaking of on L where I become far more aware and sensitive to my internal organs and internal tactile feels...I too dislike this component of L and was actually discussing this with friends on my last trip with L a few weeks ago.


With DMT....In regards to relatively low dosage or at least during the first moments of a good solid smoked dose, the first thing I notice is a drastic change in my head space/frequency, and a very powerful vibrating-like sensation through out my entire body. I'd say I find the feeling to be somewhere between neutral to pleasant, not really dysphoric or unpleasant at all but it's such a powerful sensation that comes on so damn quickly that it's a bit unsettling for me. It's most similar to the bodily feels/sensation that I experience from mushrooms, but the rapid onset makes it into a whole different thing.


As the intensity increases, it's as if the vibrating like sensations dissolve away my body or my awareness of a body, while "I" slip into the dream/breakthrough.


So to put it in a nutshell....I'd say relatively low doses produce a very pronounced vibrating like sensation in the body, and with high doses I generally lose touch/awareness of my body though some sensations can still occur in certain trips/situations.


One time I had an experience that I wouldn't quite label a "breakthrough", but I did lose complete awareness of my body. I smoked it sitting on the ground with legs crossed and eyes closed in a dark room, and even though I had lost touch/awareness of my body I remained sitting up very straight through out the entire experience.


I've had experiences where I felt a loving motherly/feminine presence caress every fiber of my body/being, I could feel her swimming through out my body, inside and out, and it felt amazing...the most loving/tender feel ever, like a baby being held in a mothers arms. It was a very pronounced/tactile sensation.

Other times I've felt "things" (I could feel presence of something but couldn't observe it) poking and probing at my body in different areas, it wasn't at all uncomfortable and almost felt like these things were giving my body an analysis or a check up of sorts :shrug: :lol: .






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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: openmind]
    #23541893 - 08/14/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I dont know if Im adding too much more to this (the post above me is very nicely put) but to answer the OP, I believe in true breakthroughs you completely pass out and leave your physical body. I've fully blasted off twice throughout my DMT usage.

The first time I broke through is the most vivid in my mind.

I was in a dark room with three friends that were participating in the session and one who administered the bong rips. This was nice fluffy white crystals, we sandwiched it between marijuana. As it came my turn, I pulled a massive rip into the bong and gave my buddy the sign to pull the slide.

I held the hit in for a good 15 seconds before exhaling and the intergalactic switch was flipped. lol 

When the music began the melt and colorful complex geometry appeared on the darkened white wall I knew it was time to exhale. When I exhaled the music changed, and I mean changed! We had something mellow on to begin with, but the music turned almost primordial... native... I'm not sure how to explain it but it felt natural to say the least.

Noting these changes was the last thing I could see in the physical realm before I fell back on the bed I was sitting on and was lifted into another dimension. I'll save the trip details for a report, but it was an incredible and unforgettable experience.

I came to probably 5/6 mins later, feeling like I ate 10 sheets of acid, and I was the last one to wake up. I couldn't understand the words my friends we're saying, it sounded alien. Also, no bullshitting, two of my friends who were standing up and walking around were legitimately full human sized Lego men. C shaped hands and articulation and all. I remember it scaring me as I was trying to come to.

But yes, I believe the full DMT induced state occurs in an unconscious state.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: openmind]
    #23541896 - 08/14/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Depends what you mean by proper. During a breakthrough younl wont even have a body so you dont have eyes. haha.

During some lowish doses (still strong) i could open my eyes and close them. When id close my eyes it literally felt like i was opening them.. Very interesting experience.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23542036 - 08/14/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah. You're in pure 4-dimensional reality. There are 3-dimensional aspects to it. Like you can remember the 3-dimensional aspects, but the higher dimensional aspects become just metaphors you use to describe it that do no justice.

Like I can remember clearly what the aliens I've seen on a couple of DMT trips looked like in 3-D. But they also had visual aspects to it that were 4-D as well. And I can't remember those parts. Like I can remember there Rubbery-looking skin, Different colors, Rounded bodies and their arms banging in front of a glass wall in front of my face and squeaking noises at me.

But all of the parts that were the most amazing: That their bodies were made of emotions, the object-like hallucinations you see on DMT are made of "meaning", and the fact that I could tell what they were squeaking at me because I could see what they meant through the DMT hallucinations. All those aspects completely vanish in my memory. I remember that those things happened. But I obviously can't begin to picture in my head what they looked like.

It's like how with mushroom trips you get the pretty colorful tracers in the beginning. Then you get 2-D geometrical, moving hallucinations. Then you get moving, transforming 3-D hallucinations. Then finally at the peak you get what I could only describe as "3-Dimensional hallucinations... With another dimension added in it"... So 4-D.

It's just that you get there so fast you forget what 3-D reality is even like.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: openmind] * 1
    #23542618 - 08/15/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've had experiences where I felt a loving motherly/feminine presence caress every fiber of my body/being, I could feel her swimming through out my body, inside and out, and it felt amazing...the most loving/tender feel ever, like a baby being held in a mothers arms.



I know exactly what you are talking about. When I had my first 'big' hit of dmt (not quite a breakthrough) in total darkness on my bed, I was engulfed by the most amazing, colorful patterns. They all came together to form this motherly goddess figure and I was immediately overwhelmed with the most powerful feeling of pure unconditional love, like a baby safely in it's mother's arms, but times a million.
I met her once more during a breakthrough experience, but that's a tale for another time :wink:
Other than that the only entity contact that I can recall having is a jester. He was a bit in my face and overly happy to the point where it was kinda creepy..


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23542908 - 08/15/16 04:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Haha sometimes I really enjoy seeing those "In your face and overly happy" entities.

It's such a mind-fuck experience.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: openmind]
    #23544389 - 08/15/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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.The "I" remains very much intact with DMT, while one is simply transported somewhere else. Generally speaking, DMT doesn't seem to annihilate the "ego" in ways that high doses of mushrooms or LSD can.




Alright it's just I've heard people say that it's so fast that you can't even hold onto your thoughts or long term memory and that things like who you are and the fact that you've just taken a drug are all way behind you. Idk it can probably vary a lot. I just wonder what my reaction will be.


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To me, I find DMT to be very intense physically, but not really at all in the same way that LSD is. And it's just a generally intense experience all around, like zonin said...though it can be absolutely sublime and peaceful in some ways, but very intense/powerful stuff.


I know that exact sensation you're speaking of on L where I become far more aware and sensitive to my internal organs and internal tactile feels...I too dislike this component of L and was actually discussing this with friends on my last trip with L a few weeks ago.


With DMT....In regards to relatively low dosage or at least during the first moments of a good solid smoked dose, the first thing I notice is a drastic change in my head space/frequency, and a very powerful vibrating-like sensation through out my entire body. I'd say I find the feeling to be somewhere between neutral to pleasant, not really dysphoric or unpleasant at all but it's such a powerful sensation that comes on so damn quickly that it's a bit unsettling for me. It's most similar to the bodily feels/sensation that I experience from mushrooms, but the rapid onset makes it into a whole different thing.


As the intensity increases, it's as if the vibrating like sensations dissolve away my body or my awareness of a body, while "I" slip into the dream/breakthrough.




Oh okay this is reassuring. This vibrational thing also sounds similar to what I've experienced on LSD as well just a vibration that slowly takes over everything, it was at that time that I saw a hyperdimensional mantoid entity too 'existing' through this vibration. I've heard similar things with ayahuasca as well with this stuff about vibrations.


I've always felt LSD was less about visions like mushrooms and much more about these vibrations and energies and tantric sexuality and whatnot.


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23544560 - 08/15/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah. I agree about LSD being less visual than the usual Tryptamines (shrooms, aya, dmt)

2CB and LSD are both more about the vibrational energy, and tantric sexuality or other spiritual practices/activites are something I really get into on either 2CB or LSD.

I would say that DMT does annihilate the ego. But just in a different way. Like, instead of changing you and putting your mind into a different state... It just leaves you the way you are and 'transports' you somewhere else. Like openmind said.

But to me that's way more ego annihilating than LSD. It's just that it doesn't mess with your head much. It destroys your ego by giving you a pure experience that shocks you so much that your ego is destroyed without it having to do anything to your mind.

I remember you talking about wanting to try out DMT or Changa a while back.
You need to get on the DMT train, brother. :strokebeard:


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: mctaveesh]
    #23544704 - 08/15/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I would say that DMT does annihilate the ego. But just in a different way. Like, instead of changing you and putting your mind into a different state... It just leaves you the way you are and 'transports' you somewhere else. Like openmind said.But to me that's way more ego annihilating than LSD. It's just that it doesn't mess with your head much. It destroys your ego by giving you a pure experience that shocks you so much that your ego is destroyed without it having to do anything to your mind.





That's amazing. I also like how you said in your other post that the DMT visuals had meaning to them. I've felt similar things with psilocybin in entities I've felt as well as the fact that the visuals on mushrooms actually make me feel good and make me happy like innately readable information which I don't get from things like acid.


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I remember you talking about wanting to try out DMT or Changa a while back.
You need to get on the DMT train, brother. :strokebeard:




Lol tell me about it. It'll be soon, 2016 feels like DMT year to me :cool:


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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23544734 - 08/15/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Haha yeah. Mushrooms always have an overwhelming positivity, like a force pushing me from behind, helping me get through the lessons I need to learn.

Right on man. Can't wait to read about your first DMT experience. :thumbup:


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