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AuroraBorealis88
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
#23540411 - 08/14/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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wolfiewolfie said: I also find this unpleasant and have experienced it a few times with lower doses. It almost feels like being poisoned and I feel my heart beating hard and fast. When you breakthrough, you no longer have a body or any attachment to your senses. Its like when you dream, you are completely unaware of your physical body, your heart rate and any of your senses.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23540421 - 08/14/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: It seems like from the sound of a lot of people's experiences that when you're in DMT world you can't really remember this world
You could compare this to when you are asleep and in a dream, you completely forget about your real life and the dream is your reality. Same thing, only your not dreaming :P
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
#23540742 - 08/14/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have enough and your eyes will open while they are closed
Dark Star is also on point with his comment. It takes A LOT to truly shed your ego all the way, theres a lot of layers between here and there and the in betweens can be so extreme that you can't help but think there can't be more.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: Bugler Boy]
#23540809 - 08/14/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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if you actually breakthrough you're completely unaware you have a body or eyes. atleast for me
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: rickjamez20]
#23540833 - 08/14/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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rickjamez20 said: if you actually breakthrough you're completely unaware you have a body or eyes. atleast for me
This is the same for me. I've had amazing times where this didn't happen but it's just not the same for me.
I've had no idea I was from earth or what I was before. Coming back was strange as fuck. I slowly regained bodily/human awareness and was flooded with joy/euphoria upon realizing I was alive as a human being 
These type of breakthroughs stay with me for a really long time like the afterglow does. They tend to leave me in awe at everything. I'll just be staring at trees and think "those are majestic as fuck"
My mind will also stay clearer after these trips. I'll be able to focus more on just being aware of awareness and not having unnecessary random thoughts all the time.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: Eggtimer]
#23540882 - 08/14/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn DMT sounds crazy. Some people saying they forget who they are and what they are and some other people saying you burst into the DMT space exactly who you were before. Or maybe that's just two different things entirely.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23540958 - 08/14/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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There really is no preparation for such a profound unique experience. People can tell you everything they can and once you take that hit that catapults your mind to oblivion it's done with. All your thoughts are dropped off at the door and your on your own if you can even call it that. Most powerful ego shattering reality ripping experience you can come by from a drug. What a beautiful and wonderful thing.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: rickjamez20]
#23541035 - 08/14/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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rickjamez20 said: if you actually breakthrough you're completely unaware you have a body or eyes. atleast for me
Pretty much this. When I get the strong sub-breakthrough visuals like the infinite kalidescopic patterns over everything it can get alittle overwhelming. I would close my eyes for bit then open them again throughout the trip.
My last trip my room looked like it was on fire and alive while my posters were swirling looking like flaming vortexes. When I closed my eyes tho I had the most beautiful pattern moving towards me almost like it was alive and I was asking it to come closer haha. Tho it was weird how my reality was looking almost horrific but when I closed my eyes it was more serene and beautiful.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: Dark_Star]
#23541236 - 08/14/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: I disagree with this. I've had many breakthroughs, and I did not cease to exist. I was very much myself, but transported into a completely different world. The thing that always stood out was how cogntively intact I was in this world. Able to think, feel a rush of feelings. Mostly love, wonder, and amazement. But I was very much there. It wasn't an ego-loss situation, but a transport to a paradise unlike any other. Then back again.
I have to agree with him. You're basically transported to the spirit realm or a world without physical. They are different location that you can go in the DMT world. I remember one of my trip, my entity/"guardian" brought me into a "Library" to basically show me that even in this realm, they still learn. While following my "guardians", I could see other entities, walking past be minding their own business.
Pretty cool, imo.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: Bumbaa]
#23541258 - 08/14/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I want to tell you what I tell my friends who don't break through: there is no such thing as one type of correct DMT trip. Sure there are breakthroughs and there are trips where you see your surroundings but they're all wonderful in their own way. Every dmt trip is wildly different and I don't know why. Maybe what you get is what's "proper" for you that day.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23541814 - 08/14/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: I disagree with this. I've had many breakthroughs, and I did not cease to exist. I was very much myself, but transported into a completely different world. The thing that always stood out was how cogntively intact I was in this world. Able to think, feel a rush of feelings. Mostly love, wonder, and amazement. But I was very much there. It wasn't an ego-loss situation, but a transport to a paradise unlike any other. Then back again.
^^^That's how I find the nature of DMT to be as well.
With my relatively few "breakthroughs", and quite a handful of folks I've spoken to and stories I've read on here over the years....The "I" remains very much intact with DMT, while one is simply transported somewhere else. Generally speaking, DMT doesn't seem to annihilate the "ego" in ways that high doses of mushrooms or LSD can.
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Just find the experience so intense on every single sensory level possible. Shits underrated as fuck
So is it intense physically as well? Because that's kind of what worries me the most. There were many times on LSD where I felt 'more aware' of my body and internal organs and stuff and I absolutely hated it. Does DMT do this at all?
I'm not a fan of body highs or really anything that makes me more aware of my body. Some people describe it differently and say on DMT you no longer have a body but I dunno..
To me, I find DMT to be very intense physically, but not really at all in the same way that LSD is. And it's just a generally intense experience all around, like zonin said...though it can be absolutely sublime and peaceful in some ways, but very intense/powerful stuff.
I know that exact sensation you're speaking of on L where I become far more aware and sensitive to my internal organs and internal tactile feels...I too dislike this component of L and was actually discussing this with friends on my last trip with L a few weeks ago.
With DMT....In regards to relatively low dosage or at least during the first moments of a good solid smoked dose, the first thing I notice is a drastic change in my head space/frequency, and a very powerful vibrating-like sensation through out my entire body. I'd say I find the feeling to be somewhere between neutral to pleasant, not really dysphoric or unpleasant at all but it's such a powerful sensation that comes on so damn quickly that it's a bit unsettling for me. It's most similar to the bodily feels/sensation that I experience from mushrooms, but the rapid onset makes it into a whole different thing.
As the intensity increases, it's as if the vibrating like sensations dissolve away my body or my awareness of a body, while "I" slip into the dream/breakthrough.
So to put it in a nutshell....I'd say relatively low doses produce a very pronounced vibrating like sensation in the body, and with high doses I generally lose touch/awareness of my body though some sensations can still occur in certain trips/situations.
One time I had an experience that I wouldn't quite label a "breakthrough", but I did lose complete awareness of my body. I smoked it sitting on the ground with legs crossed and eyes closed in a dark room, and even though I had lost touch/awareness of my body I remained sitting up very straight through out the entire experience.
I've had experiences where I felt a loving motherly/feminine presence caress every fiber of my body/being, I could feel her swimming through out my body, inside and out, and it felt amazing...the most loving/tender feel ever, like a baby being held in a mothers arms. It was a very pronounced/tactile sensation.
Other times I've felt "things" (I could feel presence of something but couldn't observe it) poking and probing at my body in different areas, it wasn't at all uncomfortable and almost felt like these things were giving my body an analysis or a check up of sorts .

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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: openmind]
#23541893 - 08/14/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont know if Im adding too much more to this (the post above me is very nicely put) but to answer the OP, I believe in true breakthroughs you completely pass out and leave your physical body. I've fully blasted off twice throughout my DMT usage.
The first time I broke through is the most vivid in my mind.
I was in a dark room with three friends that were participating in the session and one who administered the bong rips. This was nice fluffy white crystals, we sandwiched it between marijuana. As it came my turn, I pulled a massive rip into the bong and gave my buddy the sign to pull the slide.
I held the hit in for a good 15 seconds before exhaling and the intergalactic switch was flipped. lol
When the music began the melt and colorful complex geometry appeared on the darkened white wall I knew it was time to exhale. When I exhaled the music changed, and I mean changed! We had something mellow on to begin with, but the music turned almost primordial... native... I'm not sure how to explain it but it felt natural to say the least.
Noting these changes was the last thing I could see in the physical realm before I fell back on the bed I was sitting on and was lifted into another dimension. I'll save the trip details for a report, but it was an incredible and unforgettable experience.
I came to probably 5/6 mins later, feeling like I ate 10 sheets of acid, and I was the last one to wake up. I couldn't understand the words my friends we're saying, it sounded alien. Also, no bullshitting, two of my friends who were standing up and walking around were legitimately full human sized Lego men. C shaped hands and articulation and all. I remember it scaring me as I was trying to come to.
But yes, I believe the full DMT induced state occurs in an unconscious state.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: openmind]
#23541896 - 08/14/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Depends what you mean by proper. During a breakthrough younl wont even have a body so you dont have eyes. haha.
During some lowish doses (still strong) i could open my eyes and close them. When id close my eyes it literally felt like i was opening them.. Very interesting experience.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23542036 - 08/14/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah. You're in pure 4-dimensional reality. There are 3-dimensional aspects to it. Like you can remember the 3-dimensional aspects, but the higher dimensional aspects become just metaphors you use to describe it that do no justice.
Like I can remember clearly what the aliens I've seen on a couple of DMT trips looked like in 3-D. But they also had visual aspects to it that were 4-D as well. And I can't remember those parts. Like I can remember there Rubbery-looking skin, Different colors, Rounded bodies and their arms banging in front of a glass wall in front of my face and squeaking noises at me.
But all of the parts that were the most amazing: That their bodies were made of emotions, the object-like hallucinations you see on DMT are made of "meaning", and the fact that I could tell what they were squeaking at me because I could see what they meant through the DMT hallucinations. All those aspects completely vanish in my memory. I remember that those things happened. But I obviously can't begin to picture in my head what they looked like.
It's like how with mushroom trips you get the pretty colorful tracers in the beginning. Then you get 2-D geometrical, moving hallucinations. Then you get moving, transforming 3-D hallucinations. Then finally at the peak you get what I could only describe as "3-Dimensional hallucinations... With another dimension added in it"... So 4-D.
It's just that you get there so fast you forget what 3-D reality is even like.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: openmind] 1
#23542618 - 08/15/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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openmind said: I've had experiences where I felt a loving motherly/feminine presence caress every fiber of my body/being, I could feel her swimming through out my body, inside and out, and it felt amazing...the most loving/tender feel ever, like a baby being held in a mothers arms.
I know exactly what you are talking about. When I had my first 'big' hit of dmt (not quite a breakthrough) in total darkness on my bed, I was engulfed by the most amazing, colorful patterns. They all came together to form this motherly goddess figure and I was immediately overwhelmed with the most powerful feeling of pure unconditional love, like a baby safely in it's mother's arms, but times a million. I met her once more during a breakthrough experience, but that's a tale for another time  Other than that the only entity contact that I can recall having is a jester. He was a bit in my face and overly happy to the point where it was kinda creepy..
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
#23542908 - 08/15/16 04:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Haha sometimes I really enjoy seeing those "In your face and overly happy" entities.
It's such a mind-fuck experience.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: openmind]
#23544389 - 08/15/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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openmind said: .The "I" remains very much intact with DMT, while one is simply transported somewhere else. Generally speaking, DMT doesn't seem to annihilate the "ego" in ways that high doses of mushrooms or LSD can.
Alright it's just I've heard people say that it's so fast that you can't even hold onto your thoughts or long term memory and that things like who you are and the fact that you've just taken a drug are all way behind you. Idk it can probably vary a lot. I just wonder what my reaction will be.
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To me, I find DMT to be very intense physically, but not really at all in the same way that LSD is. And it's just a generally intense experience all around, like zonin said...though it can be absolutely sublime and peaceful in some ways, but very intense/powerful stuff.
I know that exact sensation you're speaking of on L where I become far more aware and sensitive to my internal organs and internal tactile feels...I too dislike this component of L and was actually discussing this with friends on my last trip with L a few weeks ago.
With DMT....In regards to relatively low dosage or at least during the first moments of a good solid smoked dose, the first thing I notice is a drastic change in my head space/frequency, and a very powerful vibrating-like sensation through out my entire body. I'd say I find the feeling to be somewhere between neutral to pleasant, not really dysphoric or unpleasant at all but it's such a powerful sensation that comes on so damn quickly that it's a bit unsettling for me. It's most similar to the bodily feels/sensation that I experience from mushrooms, but the rapid onset makes it into a whole different thing.
As the intensity increases, it's as if the vibrating like sensations dissolve away my body or my awareness of a body, while "I" slip into the dream/breakthrough.
Oh okay this is reassuring. This vibrational thing also sounds similar to what I've experienced on LSD as well just a vibration that slowly takes over everything, it was at that time that I saw a hyperdimensional mantoid entity too 'existing' through this vibration. I've heard similar things with ayahuasca as well with this stuff about vibrations.
I've always felt LSD was less about visions like mushrooms and much more about these vibrations and energies and tantric sexuality and whatnot.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23544560 - 08/15/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah. I agree about LSD being less visual than the usual Tryptamines (shrooms, aya, dmt)
2CB and LSD are both more about the vibrational energy, and tantric sexuality or other spiritual practices/activites are something I really get into on either 2CB or LSD.
I would say that DMT does annihilate the ego. But just in a different way. Like, instead of changing you and putting your mind into a different state... It just leaves you the way you are and 'transports' you somewhere else. Like openmind said.
But to me that's way more ego annihilating than LSD. It's just that it doesn't mess with your head much. It destroys your ego by giving you a pure experience that shocks you so much that your ego is destroyed without it having to do anything to your mind.
I remember you talking about wanting to try out DMT or Changa a while back. You need to get on the DMT train, brother.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: mctaveesh]
#23544704 - 08/15/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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mctaveesh said: I would say that DMT does annihilate the ego. But just in a different way. Like, instead of changing you and putting your mind into a different state... It just leaves you the way you are and 'transports' you somewhere else. Like openmind said.But to me that's way more ego annihilating than LSD. It's just that it doesn't mess with your head much. It destroys your ego by giving you a pure experience that shocks you so much that your ego is destroyed without it having to do anything to your mind.
That's amazing. I also like how you said in your other post that the DMT visuals had meaning to them. I've felt similar things with psilocybin in entities I've felt as well as the fact that the visuals on mushrooms actually make me feel good and make me happy like innately readable information which I don't get from things like acid.
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I remember you talking about wanting to try out DMT or Changa a while back. You need to get on the DMT train, brother. 
Lol tell me about it. It'll be soon, 2016 feels like DMT year to me
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23544734 - 08/15/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Haha yeah. Mushrooms always have an overwhelming positivity, like a force pushing me from behind, helping me get through the lessons I need to learn.
Right on man. Can't wait to read about your first DMT experience.
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