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jsncrs
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Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip?
#23539445 - 08/14/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Every time I've done DMT I've tripped hard and had intense closed eye visuals, but I don't feel like I've ever fully blasted off.
I'm always still completely aware of my surroundings and my body and can open my eyes at any time.
Is this normal? or is blasting off something different?
I've tried the sandwich method in a bong, an oil burner, and most recently a vapor genie pipe. All with roughly the same result.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: jsncrs]
#23539458 - 08/14/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Try salvia
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: MushroomAreTheKey]
#23539466 - 08/14/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I too recently got some dmt and have not blasted off yet, ive read so much and watched so many vids, seems theres three stages, ive had stage one where can feel it, stage two is described as being in a tunnel, stage three blast off or break through where you go somewhere else and are no longer aware of your body or surroundings etc. When you return feels were gone longer than you were.
This is from research as i wana breakthrough but need to improve my technique i think, i have a meth pipe for it never thought id own one of those lmao!
Good luck to you, im sure will happen in time for us. I believe needs three big puffs on it to get there. But ive not managed yet.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: MushroomAreTheKey]
#23539482 - 08/14/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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MushroomAreTheKey said: Try salvia
I've tried Salvia before (30x)
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jsncrs
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: Spellbound]
#23539494 - 08/14/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man I really wanna experience that blast off. Might have to work on my technique also.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: jsncrs]
#23539522 - 08/14/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know exactly how you feel! Haha so frustrating.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: Spellbound]
#23539562 - 08/14/16 01:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had a rough dmt extract awhile ago smoked about 60mgs of it had 3 massive hits in a cone with cannabis on top and bottom but because it was like waxxy and quite impure I couldn't break through but got to a stage where I was blinded by the intense closed and open eye visuals of geometric shapes ripping my reality to shreds and life becoming the most bizarrely textured it was almost like silk but with almost like a lego twist to it I felt like I was in a game or something but x 100 I found this quite scary because I wasn't expecting it to be so intense and slightly terrifying.
I've smoked DMT 5 times now once on psilocybin and the other times while sober but because of the extract being impure it's proven impossible to break through last time I smoked it I had smoked all that remained which I estimate to be 60-70mgs I smoked it till a stage where I was too confused and startled to continue I now have a much purer batch that will definitely be sufficient to provide me with a breakthrough but haven't had enough courage yet.
It's just because of these past experiences that have been bizzare and not at all profound that I have quite bad anxiety to take that step again I think about it everyday and felt so gutted to not breakthrough to this incredible place that we often hear so much about. In due time though. First post on this account was on shroomery for a few years A while back and have just gotten back into it. Just find the experience so intense on every single sensory level possible. Shits underrated as fuck Bit of a rant but I am in the same boat! Hope we all reach that place soon enough. Peace
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: zonin] 5
#23539588 - 08/14/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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When you have a proper hit of DMT, you don't have eyes to open 
With a breakthrough dose, there is no 'you'. Your whole life, memories, family/friends and everything about your existence is completely gone.
All of your thoughts, feelings and emotions ceast to exist (which thankfully includes fear) with the exception of one which stays with you the whole time. Love.
When you come back and open your eyes you look around you and don't recognise anything, even your best buddy. Coming back from my last breakthrough I was looking at my hands thinking wtf are these, they're connected to this thing (my arm) and that's connected to... Wtf. Gradually everything about 'this' life starts to come back to you while the memory of the experience starts to fade away like a dream.
If you are having trouble breaking through, this has worked for me every single time.
Dissolve a good dose of DMT in a little bit of warm naptha, and add a good bowls worth of weed/herb. Put it under a fan to evaporate, then load it up into a bong with a thin layer of herb/weed on top. Light the bowl and start pulling slowly, removing the flame as soon as you get a good cherry going. Just before the smoke hits your lips, stop and breathe all the way out, then hit it hard. Hold the smoke in until you die
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Edited by wolfiewolfie (08/14/16 01:53 AM)
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
#23539616 - 08/14/16 01:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Would you say a breakthrough is less likely to end negatively then a dose that doesn't suffice? I feel as though the breakthrough would be much more profound and not as irrelevant as I have found my past trips to be
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: zonin] 1
#23539637 - 08/14/16 01:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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zonin said: Would you say a breakthrough is less likely to end negatively then a dose that doesn't suffice? I feel as though the breakthrough would be much more profound and not as irrelevant as I have found my past trips to be
Its difficult to explain, but during a breakthrough there is no positive or negative. There just IS. Its when you get back and become 'you' again that you are able to analyse the experience and attach a negative or positive label to it. Personally I have never once had a negative experience having broken through 5 times. I find sub breakthrough doses more difficult to handle because I am still able to think and tend to 'overthink' creating unnecessary anxiety/fear. When you breakthrough, you don't 'think' or react. You just observe and experience.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
#23539680 - 08/14/16 02:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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wolfiewolfie said:
All of your thoughts, feelings and emotions ceast to exist (which thankfully includes fear) with the exception of one which stays with you the whole time. Love.
What you have just said has really put my mind at ease I always had the belief that it would be as you have described in above posts that once you reach that state you don't have time to think about stupid shit that might bum you out. but having no personal breakthrough experience means I can only compare from the experiences I have had and they have mostly been negative because I have been putting all my energy into breakthrough but not being able to obtain that experience. I will give it ago as soon as possible hopefully in the next weekend and shouldn't have any issues just the anxiety before I even get to toking it up can get quite high.
Really appreciate the above posts bro I truly cannot wait to breakthrough hope everyone else gets there soon as well
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: zonin]
#23539742 - 08/14/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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zonin said:
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wolfiewolfie said:
All of your thoughts, feelings and emotions ceast to exist (which thankfully includes fear) with the exception of one which stays with you the whole time. Love.
What you have just said has really put my mind at ease I always had the belief that it would be as you have described in above posts that once you reach that state you don't have time to think about stupid shit that might bum you out. but having no personal breakthrough experience means I can only compare from the experiences I have had and they have mostly been negative because I have been putting all my energy into breakthrough but not being able to obtain that experience. I will give it ago as soon as possible hopefully in the next weekend and shouldn't have any issues just the anxiety before I even get to toking it up can get quite high.
Really appreciate the above posts bro I truly cannot wait to breakthrough hope everyone else gets there soon as well
No worries bro, and I wish you the best of luck  As for the pre-flight anxiety, I still get it every single time. Even though I know I'll be fine, I know I'm safe and I kinda know what to expect, it is always there before blasting off into the unknown. You just have to learn to embrace it rather than ignore it (easier said than done). It can also help to remind yourself that no matter what happens, it will all be over in a matter of minutes 
My advice would be to try the method I described above and don't 'try' to breakthrough. Just relax, fully surrender and let the DMT take you.
In my experience a breakthrough is nothing like a sub breakthrough. They are two completely different experiences.
As Terence McKenna once said, its like hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it's a feather bed.
Safe travels brother
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Edited by wolfiewolfie (08/14/16 02:56 AM)
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
#23539917 - 08/14/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Load a 100mg. Try to hold hits in for 10seconds at least. Very important the hits should be long and slow. Not like weed or cig hits. Like full lung hits. Take at least 3 hits. If that doesn't work I don't know.
If you do it right you won't realize you have eyes to open or close.  Usually I know it's going to happen if the ringing sound is insanely intense and sometimes the strong feeling "oh fuck I did it now"
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: Eggtimer]
#23539926 - 08/14/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eggtimer said: the strong feeling "oh fuck I did it now"
Every single time
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie] 1
#23540220 - 08/14/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I disagree with this. I've had many breakthroughs, and I did not cease to exist. I was very much myself, but transported into a completely different world. The thing that always stood out was how cogntively intact I was in this world. Able to think, feel a rush of feelings. Mostly love, wonder, and amazement. But I was very much there. It wasn't an ego-loss situation, but a transport to a paradise unlike any other. Then back again.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: MushroomAreTheKey]
#23540327 - 08/14/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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MushroomAreTheKey said: Try salvia
Why would you tell someone to smoke a nightmarish dissociative leaf over DMT?
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: zonin]
#23540363 - 08/14/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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zonin said:
Just find the experience so intense on every single sensory level possible. Shits underrated as fuck
So is it intense physically as well? Because that's kind of what worries me the most. There were many times on LSD where I felt 'more aware' of my body and internal organs and stuff and I absolutely hated it. Does DMT do this at all?
I'm not a fan of body highs or really anything that makes me more aware of my body. Some people describe it differently and say on DMT you no longer have a body but I dunno..
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23540380 - 08/14/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I assume the experience is different for everybody. I find that a breakthrough is frustrating to explain properly because the words to describe it don't exist. I can only share my own personal experiences as best I can, which may be completely different from yours, but that's the beauty of it 
Whenever I have broken through, the self seems to fall away. When I feel this start to happen my first instinct is to fight it, then I give into it and let go. If you have ever been skydiving, this feeling can somewhat be compared to that split second you leave the plane, but like x1000000. Everything is released, my thoughts, my memories, everything. My whole world is completely wiped. What is left after everything is gone is the true DMT experience. No language spoken or written can do it any justice. Its like being stunned in pure awe, beautiful, unfathomable and just as real as the environment around you right now. There is no longer such thing as time and even the concept of it is unfathomable. When I first come out of a breakthrough, it honestly feels like I have been gone for days, weeks or even years. My stopwatch usually says around 8 minutes. I look around and reality seems like a dream compared to the realness of where I just was, however the memory of the experience quickly fades and becomes a lot more dreamlike and imaginary. Like I said it is impossible to explain. I could write a novel and it would barely scratch the tip of the iceberg. If you really want to know what it's like, there is only one way to find out. Direct experience.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
#23540393 - 08/14/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks wolfie, I read your other responses as well and they're really helpful so I am thankful for you taking the time to explain to others.
It seems like from the sound of a lot of people's experiences that when you're in DMT world you can't really remember this world and when you're in this world you can't really remember the DMT world.
It seems like once you enter the DMT space all 3 dimensional reality is wiped away and it becomes purely 4 dimensional reality which is why our 3 dimensional minds probably can't retain it.
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Re: Should you be able to open your eyes during a proper DMT trip? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23540397 - 08/14/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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zonin said:
Just find the experience so intense on every single sensory level possible. Shits underrated as fuck
So is it intense physically as well? Because that's kind of what worries me the most. There were many times on LSD where I felt 'more aware' of my body and internal organs and stuff and I absolutely hated it. Does DMT do this at all?
I'm not a fan of body highs or really anything that makes me more aware of my body. Some people describe it differently and say on DMT you no longer have a body but I dunno..
I also find this unpleasant and have experienced it a few times with lower doses. It almost feels like being poisoned and I feel my heart beating hard and fast. When you breakthrough, you no longer have a body or any attachment to your senses. Its like when you dream, you are completely unaware of your physical body, your heart rate and any of your senses.
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