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man sold DMT to a man who overdosed
    #23539324 - 08/13/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

August 13, 2016

Westport, Connecticut -
Josh Rauh allegedly sold DMT, a hallucinogenic drug, to a man who overdosed in May.

The overdose victim survived, but was unconscious when police arrived to a Compo Road South address earlier this year.

He was treated at the scene before being taken to the hospital.

Westport police said Rauh, 24, admitted he ordered the DMT on the internet and gave it to the man who overdosed.

The resident of Wilton Road in Westport turned himself in Aug. 4 after police issued a warrant for his arrest.

Police charged Rauh with sale of a hallucinogen/narcotic and possession of a controlled substance.

Rauh’s bail was set at $25,000 ahead of his Aug. 11 court date for the felony charges.

http://www.westport-news.com/news/article/police-reports-9137322.php


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: Ogla] * 1
    #23539356 - 08/13/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well, sounds like a bunch of pussies.  If you lookup the picture of josh rauh (even though I feel bad for the guy).  He looks like your typical bible belt geek.  If the guy really took way too much, then he should have looked up dosage information!  If Rauh told him to take way more than he should, then I guess he is somewhat at fault.  The guy Rauh sold it to, needs to man up.  So does Rauh.  He didn't suffer any negative health consequences, he calls 911, and snitches on his buddy.  Rauh also tells authorities he sourced it on the internet.  I'm tired of all of these snitching pussies.  They are acting like a couple of people with badges are god, and they have to come clean about everything..


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: bigbitch]
    #23539434 - 08/14/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Clearly wasn't DMT.


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: jsncrs]
    #23539469 - 08/14/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I thought you cant od on dmt......


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: Spellbound]
    #23539486 - 08/14/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Spellbound said:
I thought you cant od on dmt......




I believe the LD50 in mice was around 110 mg/kg, via intramuscular injection.

So yeah, pretty much impossible to OD on vaporized DMT


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: jsncrs] * 1
    #23539658 - 08/14/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It was most likely DMT.

#1) Don't do SERIOUS psychedelics without a knowledgeable sitter.

#2) Who called 911? If he did it was most likely a freakout (DMT breakthrough can be earth shattering).

    They treated him on scene before transporting him. If they got there quickly he was still in breakthrough (looks passed out). All over a drug you can't overdose on (without concerted effort) and lasts 20 to 30 minutes (breakthrough time max) and 45 minute to one hour residual effects for most. Even at large doses. The media and police just love to hype a story and call it a overdose.


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: psillyboy]
    #23539716 - 08/14/16 02:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I misread the original post, I thought he died..

In that case it probably was DMT.

So much bullshit in the media about DMT lately. There was a story the other day about a bloke who robbed a store whilst "high on DMT". Shit really pisses me off


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: Ogla]
    #23539923 - 08/14/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Something about this does NOT ring true.  First of all...if 911 was summoned, by the time they arrive even the highest imaginable vaporized dose would have waned.  Imagine hit #1...ok...feeling something.  Hit 2:  Whoa (probably stop right there!).  Even if a third big hit was taken...so what...your tripping balls for no more than 10 minutes, then in recovery.

Takes 3 - 5 minutes waiting out a buddy before concern over their condition even begins.  Then 1 1/2 minutes to call and give info to 911, and at LEAST 5 - 8 minutes for a response.

Finding someone in need of any manner of on-site medical treatment associated with vaporized DMT after close to 15 minutes is HIGHLY unlikely.  I suspect they just wanted to punish the moron who sold the drug, so made a mountain out of a mole hill with regard to the "victim's" reaction.

The only other possibility is that the buyer thought he was getting heroin and was sold (and IV'd) DMT instead, then didn't want to cop to buying heroin.  Another possibility is the complete reverse.  Guy was IVing DMT and when he went "out" his friends may have begun to suspect he was sold (and IVing) fentanyl-laced heroin and therefore called 911.

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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23540151 - 08/14/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So was this a non-fatal OD or just a normal DMT trip? 0.0

Lol. I mean its def not funny, i dont really fully understand the article. the way im interpreting it is it was just breakthrough trip?

The only thing i can think of is he was not expecting dmt, and it surprised the hell out of him? But even then, he smoked it right and everything it seems, did he think it was meth? You cant really OD on dmt... And he would know after the 2nd hit if it was too much. the only way this makes sense is misidentification or the wrong substance. But what could he be expecting? It says they ordered dmt. You cant really sell dmt as anything else. I dont get it.


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: jsncrs]
    #23540224 - 08/14/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

jsncrs said:
Quote:

Spellbound said:
I thought you cant od on dmt......




I believe the LD50 in mice was around 110 mg/kg, via intramuscular injection.

So yeah, pretty much impossible to OD on vaporized DMT






overdose unlikely, but i've had side-effects related to my heart in the past.  very clean, translucent shards/crystal.  granted, i have a minor heart condition.  but infarctions were a semi-common occurrence for me, and once my heart stopped for an unknown amount of time (in reality, likely 15-20 seconds)


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: Ogla] * 1
    #23540268 - 08/14/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: Nature Boy] * 2
    #23540459 - 08/14/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I wouldnt be surprised at all if dude ordered 5-meo-dmt or 4-aco-dmt and just thought it was regular ole n,n,dmt. Then gave it to his buddy who dosed way too much.
Doesnt seem like you would have a chance to call 911 after vaping some dmt. Even if he was able to call 911 before entering the void he would of been conscious by the time paramedics showed up.


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: TheDrake] * 1
    #23540963 - 08/14/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You guys know you can take DMT orally and it lasts for several hours, right.


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: D.M.T]
    #23541143 - 08/14/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah,  that ayauasca is some intense stuff. Thought I was dying. Took a few hours before I came down enough to be able to text my friend and say 'Nigga!'. The article doesnt say thou who called the paramedics.


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: Ogla] * 1
    #23541204 - 08/14/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've been over dosing on media regualarly,
I honestly cannot handle the lies spwing
into my mind
daily, anymore.


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: nice1returns]
    #23541427 - 08/14/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

DMT can really increase heart rate and blood pressure. If you take more than you should, you could get  really scary and unpleasant effects from that.


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #23542124 - 08/14/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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DMT can really increase heart rate and blood pressure. If you take more than you should, you could get  really scary and unpleasant effects from that.




I could definitely see that. Serotonergic drugs are intimately linked with heart function, which is something every person who touches tryptamines should be aware of. Know your dosage, and work your way up slowly with enough time in between experiences, if you're going to do it. People with any kind of heart troubles should reconsider any use to begin with. People on MAOIs or SSRIs should absolutely not use tryptamines simultaneously due to risk of serotonin syndrome.

For heart health, from what I've heard psilocybin may be safer in this regard than say MDMA, but I don't know where DMT falls. MDMA is known to be fairly cardiotoxic, though apparently only really becomes an issue if you do a lot over time. If someone starts going frequently to high doses of any of those though, or at even moderate doses if for whatever reason are particularly sensitive to the cardio effects of them, then you better be sure your heart is prepared for something not unlike a marathon. That's probably the reason that a lot of the traditional uses of entheogens in ceremonies often also involved other training preparations in weeks or more leading up to the actual experience. They knew the person's body and mind had to be well prepared for the journey.

In the case of DMT the cardio effects may more like 15 min of sprinting, maybe, but I have no personal evidence there.

I feel like this fairly well embodies the smart way to prepare for any psychedelic, but is directed at Aya/DMT:

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– Avoid alcohol for a minimum of 48 hours prior.

– Avoid sexual contact for a minimum of 48 hours prior.

– Ensure you are well hydrated, but please avoid drinking too much water directly before or during Ayahuasca ceremonies.

– It’s suggested that you avoid foods with MAOI inhibitors for at least 24 hours before drinking Ayahuasca. This includes: fermented or non fresh foods, cheese, miso, tofu or other fermented soy products, dried fruits, tamari or soy sauce, sauerkraut, pickled foods, protein extracts, processed or smoked meat products, yeast/brewers yeast, (yeast in baked goods is OK).

– We also suggest that in the weeks before drinking Ayahuasca, you prepare your body to receive the medicine. This means avoiding fried foods, caffeine, spicy foods, dairy, pork and refined sugars. This is especially important in the 48 hours prior to your ceremony.

Basically, fresh clean and natural foods with a high ratio of fresh vegetables and fruit is the best way to prepare.

– Many medications and natural supplements are not complimentary with this work and can be dangerous especially MAO inhibiting medications, SSRIs and or antidepressants. For a full list of supplements and medication not compatible with Ayahuasca, please visit our page on Medical Guidelines.

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And if you apply to one of our retreats, please advise us of any medications you have taken or are taking so we can discuss your individual situation.

– Meditation, yoga or other mind/body/spirit practices are very complimentary to this work, which teaches you to focus your energy and connect to breath, which is very useful during the process, however this is not mandatory.

– Again, reflect on your intention… and let go. Sometimes that which we think we need to work on isn’t what comes up during ceremonies or your retreat at all, however, spending some time inquiring within, about what you want to heal or let go of, prepares you to open up to whatever is being brought forwards in your ceremony.

– Allow yourself to be curious, set intentions for your attitude and approach during this sometimes-challenging process and ask for assistance from whatever sources of spiritual support you resonate with.






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TL:DR; Serotonergic substances effect heart function, make sure your heart is significantly prepared for them by way of stress reduction, exercise, eating well, cutting other substance use as a precursor, etc. leading up to a trip, and err on the side of caution with increasing doses. Make sure your environment is very well prepared also. Don't take tryptamines if you're on MAOIs or SSRIs.


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: Xingu]
    #23542891 - 08/15/16 04:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

People take maois with tryptamines all the time. You have to actually take a maoi with dmt for it to work orally.


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: TheDrake]
    #23543036 - 08/15/16 06:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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People take maois with tryptamines all the time. You have to actually take a maoi with dmt for it to work orally.




That's single use. I'm talking about daily prescription MAOIs. It's a much different thing when a brain has stabilized to a daily dose of it vs taking it only when you take Aya/DMT.


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: Xingu]
    #23546868 - 08/16/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like a freak out I remember my first time was grabbing for dear life :trippnballs: It is nothing too play with and they probably never heard of it until a few hours they decided go for it ha. They sound like complete bitches though even in a bad trip dont fuck your friends over. :feelsbadman:


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: Nature Boy]
    #23547953 - 08/16/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hahahahah tied off, found a vein, pushed shot...:shakeface:  anddd thennnnnnnn:myfaceismelting: Drugs are bad M'Kay

But seriously that would be one hell of a trip to not be expecting it and all n then shooting it thinking it was heroin. Lol I have never done DMT but from what Mckenna says about the experience it sounds amazing.


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: Ogla]
    #24586139 - 08/28/17 06:34 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

hey guys so um i'm the guy who 'sold' him the drugs (gave them to him)
and yeah they weren't dmt. they were 4 aco dmt and dibutylone. he knew how much there was and took what he probably understood to be like 30 times the normal dosage of either. I was messed up (schizophrenic) at the time and when the police asked me about it I stumbled around my words and gave them like 3 differnt accounts, but the dmt part was taken a bit out of context, probably understandably since i was basically incomprehensably fucked up at te time. w/e shit hapens.
btw definitely not a bible belt geek but thanks i guess


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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: whatever3]
    #24603212 - 09/04/17 01:21 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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whatever3 said:
hey guys so um i'm the guy who 'sold' him the drugs (gave them to him)
and yeah they weren't dmt. they were 4 aco dmt and dibutylone. he knew how much there was and took what he probably understood to be like 30 times the normal dosage of either. I was messed up (schizophrenic) at the time and when the police asked me about it I stumbled around my words and gave them like 3 differnt accounts, but the dmt part was taken a bit out of context, probably understandably since i was basically incomprehensably fucked up at te time. w/e shit hapens.
btw definitely not a bible belt geek but thanks i guess




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Re: man sold DMT to a man who overdosed [Re: Budsprout]
    #24610815 - 09/07/17 05:25 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Oh wow a star is among us. Figured it was something like 4aco (and its still called DMT in the article, lol). Article doesnt even mention any kind of cathinone cause no one cares. But. That would be the more dangerous substance, in terms of possible overdose, even though i think it would still take alot.

On the other hand 4acoDmt, you can just lick your finger and have enough to trip pretty hard. BUT there would not be an overdose (might as well OD on psilocin, 4-ho-dmt). So its just a freakout, and in summary complete bullshit.

I do wonder what schizophrenics are doing with psilo and mdma/cathinone analogs. Doesnt seem like a good idea, health-wise


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