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The leader of a New York City mosque and a friend were fatally shot in a brazen daylight attack as they left afternoon prayers Saturday.
Police said Imam Maulama Akonjee, 55, and 64-year-old Thara Uddin were shot in the head as they left the Al-Furqan Jame Masjid mosque in the Ozone Park section of Queens shortly before 2 p.m. Both men were later pronounced dead.
Police said no motive had been established and there was no reason to believe the men were shot because they were Muslim. No suspects were in custody late Saturday.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/imam-associate-fatally-shot-leaving-nyc-mosque-224717793.html
So far they are saying the motive is unknown.
I feel like these attacks may become more common.
what can we do to fix this tension ?
Should we ban mosques? Or at least any that have a record of teaching harmful ideology and encouraging(sometimes funding and engaging in) terrorism?
I know it sounds extreme but i feel like there are too many mosques and Americans are just not ready for that. Maybe make them stand out less and don't have the half moon and star on the roof. I say this so that the places wont be so easy to recognize and target by upset Americans.
Theres plenty of humble churches in plain buildings and honestly they have great services and sense of community just like the "cathedral" kinds.
just brainstorming because i think things are going to escalate
How do we protect the good muslims?
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Apostle said: Should we ban mosques? Or at least any that have a record of teaching harmful ideology and encouraging(sometimes funding and engaging in) terrorism?
I know it sounds extreme but i feel like there are too many mosques and Americans are just not ready for that. Maybe make them stand out less and don't have the half moon and star on the roof. I say this so that the places wont be so easy to recognize and target by upset Americans.
Theres plenty of humble churches in plain buildings and honestly they have great services and sense of community just like the "cathedral" kinds.
just brainstorming because i think things are going to escalate
Jesus dude.
A Muslim preacher was shot and you think mosques are the problem?
You know I'm no supporter of Islamic ideology, but if these guys were shot for no reason except being Muslim, then the solution isn't to ban mosques. Banning mosques will only reinforce the idea that anti-Islamic rhetoric and sentiment is acceptable.
Besides, 1st amendment, freedom of religion and all that.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
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Damn G, you came full circle.
OP, "America's not ready," what does that even mean? I could develop this but it seems kinda played out by now. Is America not ready to prosecute the shit out of people who commit hate crimes?
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
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I'm all for freedom of religion.
I dont think mosques are the problem that got him shot but i do think they're a problem.
I will leave that alone though because i had a feeling it would get misconstrued and i had another feeling it would be you to respond to it.
I'm really just saying maybe they should be low key until things cool down and we repair relations with the muslim community.
There's still no motive but i have no doubt as to why the men were targeted.New York has a particualrly bad history with muslims so i honestly don't think toning down the mosques in that area would be a bad idea.
I can see the pillar with the half moon reading as a big "FUCK YOU" to conservatives or people who lost love ones in 9/11 etc.
i'll be honest when i saw one in FL my first reaction was Anger and a desire to destroy it. had the moon not been there, i'd not have noticed the building.
and before you go off, i know that isn't a good way to think but it WAS my reaction and i'm pretty indifferent to things. i can't imagine how a vet who lost friends looking at that feels
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Sophistic Radiance said: Damn G, you came full circle.
OP, "America's not ready," what does that even mean? I could develop this but it seems kinda played out by now. Is America not ready to prosecute the shit out of people who commit hate crimes?
No, I still stand by what I said about refugees and about religion from certain countries and areas being incompatible with American and European society. I still stand by what I said about the problem with sexual assault and the intolerance towards LGBT people and women among Islamist ideology, because it's a very big problem that needs to be addressed.
People Iinside and outside the religion need to be addressing these problems and challenging these notions, and standing up to these problems, if the religion is to ever get better and overcome a revolution.
However, this does not mean that I believe that Muslims should be discriminated against or treated badly. Am I happy to see an innocent Muslim getting shot? No. Am I happy to see people burning mosques? No.
I still believe in freedom of religion, and freedom from discrimination and intolerance. But, I believe that same freedom from discrimination and intolerance also applies to Muslim people, if they are intolerating or discriminating against women or gays, it should most definitely be questioned and openly challenged and criticized. No one party or side gets a free pass. I guess you could say, I see it on both sides of the issue.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G] 1
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Yea it's just wishful thinking that Islam and LGBT will ever coexist peacefully.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
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Apostle said: Should we ban mosques? Or at least any that have a record of teaching harmful ideology and encouraging(sometimes funding and engaging in) terrorism?
I know it sounds extreme but i feel like there are too many mosques and Americans are just not ready for that. Maybe make them stand out less and don't have the half moon and star on the roof. I say this so that the places wont be so easy to recognize and target by upset Americans.
Theres plenty of humble churches in plain buildings and honestly they have great services and sense of community just like the "cathedral" kinds.
just brainstorming because i think things are going to escalate
Jesus dude.
A Muslim preacher was shot and you think mosques are the problem?
what do you believe the problem is?
think about this
dylan roof killed 9 people and a flag was the problem
an islamic radical shoots a bunch of gays in a bar and the gun was the problem
he simply applied liberal logic to this, why are you so offended by liberal logic all of a sudden?
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
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I don't see anything about a suspect being aoprehended, or an apparent motive beyond what's being speculated so at this point it's two dead people who happen to be Muslim and a shooter at large. For all we know the shooter is also Muslim.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: abltsandwich]
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did i say abducted?
if i did it was on accident.
@pris while i see what you are getting at with your comparison, i wasn't intentionally applying liberal logic. I just want to get rid of mosques and made a half-assed attempt to make my reasons for doing so seem altruistic.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
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Apostle said: @pris while i see what you are getting at with your comparison, i wasn't intentionally applying liberal logic. I just want to get rid of mosques and made a half-assed attempt to make my reasons for doing so seem altruistic.

I dont believe that liberals intend to do it either, it's just that the synapses in their brain dont fire signals correctly so the though processes arent all there
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
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Whoops I meant, "apprehended" not "abducted" They both start with A. Close enough.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Prisoner#1]
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That confederate flag fiasco was definitely intentional even if the reasoning was all fucked up. At least at the level of the organizers. I think the "movement" was probably paid for by Soros or some other opportunistic group that has long despised that flag for whatever reason.
They had a goal and unfourtunately achieved it, getting rid of monuments and flags all over the country.
I'm proud to live in the State that has the Largest Confederate flag still flying today. i believe it was largest even before the ban but the fact that it's still there after the campaign against them is awesome. by an interstate too. used to live not too far from there.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
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Apostle said: I just want to get rid of mosques and made a half-assed attempt to make my reasons for doing so seem altruistic.

Evangelical Christians are so hypocritical, they claim to be about American values, but at the same time they don't really value freedom of religion or free speech.
And then they bitch that Democrats are traitors because they think they want to do away with the 2nd amendment (which is a straw man, but that's what they think).
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
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What did the Christians do now?
Are there no Christian democrats?
why did you bring them up?
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
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Because, I see this phenomenon, mostly among super patriotic pro-USA right-wing Christians, who are all about American values but want to ban Islam. And ban certain educational books on top of that. These guys are anything but pro-freedom.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
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Evangelicals are predominantly Republican
And also predominantly loud and bitchy
Also predominantly are Christian religious TV personalities and media moguls
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: all about American values but want to ban Islam. .
I see nothing contradictory about this.
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Anyone who voices an opinion with which you disagree can easily be disregarded as just being "loud and bitchy."
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I meant that they are a very vocal minority.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
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Crystal G said: all about American values but want to ban Islam. .
I see nothing contradictory about this.
It goes against the freedom of religion, the very 1st Amendment, which is the very reason Americans fought so hard to emancipate themselves from the British Empire.
Or are you not aware of your own country's history?
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
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Figured you'd say that and also figured you'd say it in that fashion.
i don't recognize that death cult as a religion. It goes against American values.
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Every group of people with a cause is self-interested and every group has their hand out demanding their slice of the pie, and some are louder than others because saying something loudly and often makes it true. That's progress. That's America. Everyone's self-interested for the greater good.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
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Apostle said: I just want to get rid of mosques and made a half-assed attempt to make my reasons for doing so seem altruistic.

Evangelical Christians are so hypocritical, they claim to be about American values, but at the same time they don't really value freedom of religion or free speech.
And then they bitch that Democrats are traitors because they think they want to do away with the 2nd amendment (which is a straw man, but that's what they think).
democrats dont want free speech either, they want government approved speech
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: all about American values but want to ban Islam. .
I see nothing contradictory about this.
It goes against the freedom of religion, the very 1st Amendment, which is the very reason Americans fought so hard to emancipate themselves from the British Empire.
Or are you not aware of your own country's history?
the first amendment, you mean the one that promises free speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion, the same amendment that liberals want to gut along with the second amendment, liberals dont want hate speech, they want christianity banned and only the state approved liberal news is appropriate
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Islam would also impede on free speech in many ways. especially for women.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Crystal G said:
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Apostle said: I just want to get rid of mosques and made a half-assed attempt to make my reasons for doing so seem altruistic.

Evangelical Christians are so hypocritical, they claim to be about American values, but at the same time they don't really value freedom of religion or free speech.
And then they bitch that Democrats are traitors because they think they want to do away with the 2nd amendment (which is a straw man, but that's what they think).
democrats dont want free speech either, they want government approved speech
the first amendment, you mean the one that promises free speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion, the same amendment that liberals want to gut along with the second amendment, liberals dont want hate speech, they want christianity banned and only the state approved liberal news is appropriate
No we don't, we might criticize Christianity and other religions, but none of us are actually calling for the raiding of churches and for priests to be imprisoned. At most, we argue that churches should pay for taxes, and any religious connotation and prayer should be taken out of schools and public property, which makes sense considering separation of church and state.
None of us are calling for the banning of Fox News or to make Trump's type of rhetoric illegal, we might actively criticize it and protest against it, but that is us exercising our right to free speech as well.
Nobody is trying to take your guns away either, they simply want to implement sensible restrictions that would make it more difficult for certain types of high-risk people to obtain guns. Like how does a guy on the No-Fly zone because of terrorism still have the capacity to acquire a gun? Makes no sense.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
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Apostle said: Islam would also impede on free speech in many ways. especially for women.
No it wouldn't, just because Islam is practiced by some people doesn't mean it would supersede American constitutional law. Explain to me how on earth Islam would make free speech illegal or impede on it. That would only be the case if Sharia Law replaced the US constitution, which is an absurd notion.
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The no-fly list makes no sense and should be abolished.
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Crystal G said: Explain to me how on earth Islam would make free speech illegal or impede on it.
I'm muslim. You're a woman. If you talk too much shit, I'm going to throw acid on your face.
See how that might have a bit of a "chilling effect" on speech?
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Apostle said: Should we ban mosques? Or at least any that have a record of teaching harmful ideology and encouraging(sometimes funding and engaging in) terrorism?
I know it sounds extreme but i feel like there are too many mosques and Americans are just not ready for that. Maybe make them stand out less and don't have the half moon and star on the roof. I say this so that the places wont be so easy to recognize and target by upset Americans.
Theres plenty of humble churches in plain buildings and honestly they have great services and sense of community just like the "cathedral" kinds.
just brainstorming because i think things are going to escalate
Jesus dude.
A Muslim preacher was shot and you think mosques are the problem?
what do you believe the problem is?
think about this
dylan roof killed 9 people and a flag was the problem
an islamic radical shoots a bunch of gays in a bar and the gun was the problem
he simply applied liberal logic to this, why are you so offended by liberal logic all of a sudden?
Nobody said Roof shot up the church because of the confederate flag. The flag became an issue because roof was a white supremacist and the confederate flag is a symbol of white supremacy. It is also a symbol of treason against the US. If you want to fly the flag that's fine, but it is not an appropriate symbol for a state to be flying.
As for Orlando, the fact that an Islamic radical can legally buy a weapon of mass death is certainly part of the problem.
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Crystal G said: and any religious connotation and prayer should be taken out of schools and public property, which makes sense considering separation of church and state.
Why should religion and especially prayer be removed?
and before you answer, consider that the second part of your sentence isn't accurate.
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Unless you're calling Her "nobody", this is just wrong.
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I'm muslim. You're a woman. If you talk too much shit, I'm going to throw acid on your face.
See how that might have a bit of a "chilling effect" on speech?
Thank you.
I think it was a troll statement anyway.
I doubt she really overlooked such an obvious conflict of ideas.
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Why should religion and especially prayer be removed?
Because it violates the Establishment clause:
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To have prayer in a public school is to use the power of government to officially endorse religion.
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I'm muslim. You're a woman. If you talk too much shit, I'm going to throw acid on your face.
See how that might have a bit of a "chilling effect" on speech?
AFAIK, there has never been one case of an acid attack committed by a Muslim anywhere in the West simply because he didn't like a woman's speech. Acid attacks do happen, especially in India and the Middle East, but they tend to happen for much more personal reasons usually related to the same reasons people commit domestic violence. A rejection or divorce, for example. Colombia has twice the rate of acid attacks as Pakistan per capita, for these domestic violence reasons.
I have stated previously in other threads that I don't support Muslim refugees in large numbers coming into America for this reason, because people from these countries simply don't know the proper way to treat women and LGBT minorities. That's the simple truth. My European friends who are close to the refugee crisis have also reported the same thing. And bear in mind, many of them at first were reluctant to say anything bad about refugees, because they wanted to be hopeful and give them the benefit of the doubt.
But with the USA only agreeing to accept 100,000 refugees from all countries by the year 2017, and with the Muslim population being only 1% of the population (most of them being black American or Southeast Asian), we don't have this problem of extremists taking over the country. And therefore we have really not had much of a problem with them expressing their religion protected under law.
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While the Establishment Clause does prohibit Congress from preferring or elevating one religion over another, still it does not prohibit the government's entry into the religious domain to make accommodations for religious observances and practices in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
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Crystal G said:Nobody is trying to take your guns away either
Unless you're calling Her "nobody", this is just wrong.
Please show me where she said that she is intending, or wants to round up everybody's guns and seize them.
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That argument left the building with the passage of the 14th amendment and selective incorporation. Since at least Everson v. Board of Education (1947), the Establishment Clause has applied to all government actions at all levels of government.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
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Is Congress responsible for prayer in schools?
from my understanding If the state or local Government wants prayer in schools it is perfectly legal.
@enlil one second i'll read the link in a minute. it's still not its original intention according to Jefferson though
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Crystal G said:Nobody is trying to take your guns away either
Unless you're calling Her "nobody", this is just wrong.
Please show me where she said that she is intending, or wants to round up everybody's guns and seize them.
If she even wants to get rig of one kind of gun then she's "trying to take guns away".
As for rounding up and seizing everyones guns, i guess i could do a search for you but i don't see how it's relevant since neither of us made that claim.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
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AFAIK, there has never been one case of an acid attack committed by a Muslim anywhere in the West simply because he didn't like a woman's speech. Acid attacks do happen, especially in India and the Middle East, but they tend to happen for much more personal reasons usually related to the same reasons people commit domestic violence. A rejection or divorce, for example. Colombia has twice the rate of acid attacks as Pakistan, for these domestic violence reasons.
Blah blah blah...
you asked how tolerance of muslims could lead to free speech being impeded....I told you.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
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You put me in the quote ya goof.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
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Apostle said: from my understanding If the state or local Government wants prayer in schools it is perfectly legal.
No, it is not legal unless it is a private school. Federal law supersedes state or county law.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
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Apostle said: Is Congress responsible for prayer in schools?
from my understanding If the state or local Government wants prayer in schools it is perfectly legal.
Yeah, no...
Up until the 14th amendment, none of the bill of rights applied to the states. States could make an official religion or ban a religion. They could ban political speech. They could search people for the fuck of it.
After the 14th amendment was passed, the process of selective incorporation occurred, whereby the rights in the bill of rights were applied to the states...most of them, at least.
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This is also irrelevant to the discussion.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
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well yea, that's why the clause was made.
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The intent of this clause was to limit the power of the Federal Government in regard to religion thus ensuring freedom of religion in the United States of America.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
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Let me guess-- Florida is one of the exceptions
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
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Apostle said: Is Congress responsible for prayer in schools?
from my understanding If the state or local Government wants prayer in schools it is perfectly legal.
Yeah, no...
Up until the 14th amendment, none of the bill of rights applied to the states. States could make an official religion or ban a religion. They could ban political speech. They could search people for the fuck of it.
After the 14th amendment was passed, the process of selective incorporation occurred, whereby the rights in the bill of rights were applied to the states...most of them, at least.
Which ones were left out?
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
#23539688 - 08/14/16 02:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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you asked how tolerance of muslims could lead to free speech being impeded....I told you.
Nobody is saying we should tolerate every single thing, or even most things Muslims are preaching are doing. In fact if you read my second post I wrote:
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I still stand by what I said about the problem with sexual assault and the intolerance towards LGBT people and women among Islamist ideology, because it's a very big problem that needs to be addressed.
People inside and outside the religion need to be addressing these problems and challenging these notions, and standing up to these problems, if the religion is to ever get better and overcome a revolution.
Some liberals might defend everything about Islam tooth and nail, I am not one of those people. Messages of misogyny and homophobia and discrimination among Islamist leaders and people should not be tolerated. Plainly committing illegal attacks, such as throwing acid on somebody, should be dealt with strictly. Adherence to US law should be a #1 priority.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
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i learned something new today.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
#23539696 - 08/14/16 02:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Which ones were left out?
1. Protection against excessive fines 2. Right to a grand jury indictment 3. Right to jury trial in civil cases 4. Freedom from quartering of soldiers
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
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But we still have those on the federal level? how does that work?
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
#23539709 - 08/14/16 02:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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When the DEA grab you for trafficking heroin, they need a grand jury to indict you. If, however, you get caught by LAPD, a prosecutor can just file charges without an indictment.
The others work similarly except the quartering of soldiers. That's an outlier because it probably hasn't really ever gotten to the court. The 2nd circuit held that it applies to the states, but that is only good law in the states within that circuit.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
#23539727 - 08/14/16 02:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Apostle said: Only if Congress mandates it.
The 14th ammendment changes the interpretation of the bill of rights to mean that no governmental body can infringe or mandate.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: koods]
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Late to the party again, Koods.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: I'm going to throw acid on your face.
What kind of acid? If it's lysergic acid diethylamide then... I want some too...
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Truth is I personally know someone who was military intelligence and this person told me you literally can not tell a radicle from an "innocent" civilian. Not without intel anyway.
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: koods]
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I'd like to know what he preaches. He may have deserved it. It could also be areaction to what the muslem community does
The whole 'we came here for religious freedom's own grade school crap. You really believe they meant some retarded death cult like Islam?
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koods....I love you man (no homo)
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
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Apostle said: I just want to get rid of mosques and made a half-assed attempt to make my reasons for doing so seem altruistic.

Evangelical Christians are so hypocritical, they claim to be about American values, but at the same time they don't really value freedom of religion or free speech.
And then they bitch that Democrats are traitors because they think they want to do away with the 2nd amendment (which is a straw man, but that's what they think).
democrats dont want free speech either, they want government approved speech
the first amendment, you mean the one that promises free speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion, the same amendment that liberals want to gut along with the second amendment, liberals dont want hate speech, they want christianity banned and only the state approved liberal news is appropriate
No we don't, we might criticize Christianity and other religions, but none of us are actually calling for the raiding of churches and for priests to be imprisoned. At most, we argue that churches should pay for taxes, and any religious connotation and prayer should be taken out of schools and public property, which makes sense considering separation of church and state.
so you speak for all liberals. or you're a liar
I've seen these sort of demands on this website, then of course there's all this
https://www.facebook.com/Religions-Churches-should-be-banned-252340098295206/
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None of us are calling for the banning of Fox News or to make Trump's type of rhetoric illegal, we might actively criticize it and protest against it, but that is us exercising our right to free speech as well.
none of the liberals? https://www.facebook.com/banfoxnews
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Nobody is trying to take your guns away either, they simply want to implement sensible restrictions that would make it more difficult for certain types of high-risk people to obtain guns. Like how does a guy on the No-Fly zone because of terrorism still have the capacity to acquire a gun? Makes no sense.
again, liar
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