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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
    #23539672 - 08/14/16 02:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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AFAIK, there has never been one case of an acid attack committed by a Muslim anywhere in the West simply because he didn't like a woman's speech. Acid attacks do happen, especially in India and the Middle East, but they tend to happen for much more personal reasons usually related to the same reasons people commit domestic violence. A rejection or divorce, for example. Colombia has twice the rate of acid attacks as Pakistan, for these domestic violence reasons.





Blah blah blah...

you asked how tolerance of muslims could lead to free speech being impeded....I told you.


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
    #23539677 - 08/14/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You put me in the quote ya goof.


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
    #23539678 - 08/14/16 02:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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from my understanding If the state or local Government wants prayer in schools it is perfectly legal.





No, it is not legal unless it is a private school. Federal law supersedes state or county law.


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
    #23539682 - 08/14/16 02:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Is Congress responsible for prayer in schools?

from my understanding If the state or local Government wants prayer in schools it is perfectly legal.


Yeah, no...

Up until the 14th amendment, none of the bill of rights applied to the states.  States could make an official religion or ban a religion.  They could ban political speech.  They could search people for the fuck of it.

After the 14th amendment was passed, the process of selective incorporation occurred, whereby the rights in the bill of rights were applied to the states...most of them, at least.

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Federal law supersedes state or county law.



This is also irrelevant to the discussion.


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
    #23539683 - 08/14/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

well yea, that's why the clause was made.

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The intent of this clause was to limit the power of the Federal Government in regard to religion thus ensuring freedom of religion in the United States of America.




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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
    #23539685 - 08/14/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Let me guess-- Florida is one of the exceptions


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
    #23539686 - 08/14/16 02:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Is Congress responsible for prayer in schools?

from my understanding If the state or local Government wants prayer in schools it is perfectly legal.


Yeah, no...

Up until the 14th amendment, none of the bill of rights applied to the states.  States could make an official religion or ban a religion.  They could ban political speech.  They could search people for the fuck of it.

After the 14th amendment was passed, the process of selective incorporation occurred, whereby the rights in the bill of rights were applied to the states...most of them, at least.





Which ones were left out?


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
    #23539688 - 08/14/16 02:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Blah blah blah...

you asked how tolerance of muslims could lead to free speech being impeded....I told you.




Nobody is saying we should tolerate every single thing, or even most things Muslims are preaching are doing. In fact if you read my second post I wrote:

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I still stand by what I said about the problem with sexual assault and the intolerance towards LGBT people and women among Islamist ideology, because it's a very big problem that needs to be addressed.

People inside and outside the religion need to be addressing these problems and challenging these notions, and standing up to these problems, if the religion is to ever get better and overcome a revolution.




Some liberals might defend everything about Islam tooth and nail, I am not one of those people. Messages of misogyny and homophobia and discrimination among Islamist leaders and people should not be tolerated. Plainly committing illegal attacks, such as throwing acid on somebody, should be dealt with strictly. Adherence to US law should be a #1 priority.


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
    #23539691 - 08/14/16 02:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Everson v. Board of Education (1947), .



:manofapproval:

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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
    #23539696 - 08/14/16 02:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Which ones were left out?



1. Protection against excessive fines
2. Right to a grand jury indictment
3. Right to jury trial in civil cases
4. Freedom from quartering of soldiers


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
    #23539700 - 08/14/16 02:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

But we still have those on the federal level?  how does that work?


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
    #23539709 - 08/14/16 02:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

When the DEA grab you for trafficking heroin, they need a grand jury to indict you.  If, however, you get caught by LAPD, a prosecutor can just file charges without an indictment.

The others work similarly except the quartering of soldiers.  That's an outlier because it probably hasn't really ever gotten to the court.  The 2nd circuit held that it applies to the states, but that is only good law in the states within that circuit.


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
    #23539727 - 08/14/16 02:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Only if Congress mandates it.




The 14th ammendment changes the interpretation of the bill of rights to mean that no governmental body can infringe or mandate.


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: koods]
    #23539732 - 08/14/16 02:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Late to the party again, Koods.


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
    #23539736 - 08/14/16 02:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Gnite everyone!
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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Enlil]
    #23539872 - 08/14/16 05:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm going to throw acid on your face.



What kind of acid? If it's lysergic acid diethylamide then... I want some too... :hahyeahwoo: :rimshot:


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23539891 - 08/14/16 05:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Truth is I personally know someone who was military intelligence and this person told me you literally can not tell a radicle from an "innocent" civilian. Not without intel anyway.


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    #23540062 - 08/14/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Radicle


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: koods]
    #23540271 - 08/14/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'd like to know what he preaches. He may have deserved it. It could also be areaction to what the muslem community does

The whole 'we came here for religious freedom's own grade school crap. You really believe they meant some retarded death cult like Islam?


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: koods]
    #23540341 - 08/14/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Radicle



koods....I love you man  (no homo) :ruggedwink:


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