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Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight
    #23539310 - 08/13/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The leader of a New York City mosque and a friend were fatally shot in a brazen daylight attack as they left afternoon prayers Saturday.

Police said Imam Maulama Akonjee, 55, and 64-year-old Thara Uddin were shot in the head as they left the Al-Furqan Jame Masjid mosque in the Ozone Park section of Queens shortly before 2 p.m. Both men were later pronounced dead.

Police said no motive had been established and there was no reason to believe the men were shot because they were Muslim. No suspects were in custody late Saturday.





https://www.yahoo.com/news/imam-associate-fatally-shot-leaving-nyc-mosque-224717793.html


So far they are saying the motive is unknown.

I feel like these attacks may become more common.

what can we do to fix this tension ?

Should we ban mosques? Or at least any that have a record of teaching harmful ideology and encouraging(sometimes funding and engaging in) terrorism?


I know it sounds extreme but i feel like there are too many mosques and Americans are just not ready for that. Maybe make them stand out less and don't have the half moon and star on the roof. I say this so that the places wont be so easy to recognize and target by upset Americans.

Theres plenty of humble churches in plain buildings and honestly they have great services and sense of community just like the "cathedral" kinds.

just brainstorming because i think things are going to escalate

How do we protect the good muslims?


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle] * 4
    #23539331 - 08/13/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Should we ban mosques? Or at least any that have a record of teaching harmful ideology and encouraging(sometimes funding and engaging in) terrorism?


I know it sounds extreme but i feel like there are too many mosques and Americans are just not ready for that. Maybe make them stand out less and don't have the half moon and star on the roof. I say this so that the places wont be so easy to recognize and target by upset Americans.

Theres plenty of humble churches in plain buildings and honestly they have great services and sense of community just like the "cathedral" kinds.

just brainstorming because i think things are going to escalate




Jesus dude.

A Muslim preacher was shot and you think mosques are the problem?

You know I'm no supporter of Islamic ideology, but if these guys were shot for no reason except being Muslim, then the solution isn't to ban mosques. Banning mosques will only reinforce the idea that anti-Islamic rhetoric and sentiment is acceptable.

Besides, 1st amendment, freedom of religion and all that.


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
    #23539345 - 08/13/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Damn G, you came full circle.

OP, "America's not ready," what does that even mean? I could develop this but it seems kinda played out by now. Is America not ready to prosecute the shit out of people who commit hate crimes?


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
    #23539351 - 08/13/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm all for freedom of religion.

I dont think mosques are the problem that got him shot but i do think they're a problem.

I will leave that alone though because i had a feeling it would get misconstrued and i had another feeling it would be you to respond to it.


I'm really just saying maybe they should be low key until things cool down and we repair relations with the muslim community.


There's still no motive but i have no doubt as to why the men were targeted.New York has a particualrly bad history with muslims so i honestly don't think toning down the mosques in that area would be a bad idea.

I can see the pillar with the half moon reading as a big "FUCK YOU" to conservatives or people who lost love ones in 9/11 etc.

i'll be honest when i saw one in FL my first reaction was Anger and a desire to destroy it.
had the moon not been there, i'd not have noticed the building.

and before you go off, i know that isn't a good way to think but it WAS my reaction and i'm pretty indifferent to things. i can't imagine how a vet who lost friends looking at that feels


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23539363 - 08/13/16 11:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Damn G, you came full circle.

OP, "America's not ready," what does that even mean? I could develop this but it seems kinda played out by now. Is America not ready to prosecute the shit out of people who commit hate crimes?




No, I still stand by what I said about refugees and about religion from certain countries and areas being incompatible with American and European society. I still stand by what I said about the problem with sexual assault and the intolerance towards LGBT people and women among Islamist ideology, because it's a very big problem that needs to be addressed.

People Iinside and outside the religion need to be addressing these problems and challenging these notions, and standing up to these problems, if the religion is to ever get better and overcome a revolution.

However, this does not mean that I believe that Muslims should be discriminated against or treated badly. Am I happy to see an innocent Muslim getting shot? No. Am I happy to see people burning mosques? No.

I still believe in freedom of religion, and freedom from discrimination and intolerance. But, I believe that same freedom from discrimination and intolerance also applies to Muslim people, if they are intolerating or discriminating against women or gays, it should most definitely be questioned and openly challenged and criticized. No one party or side gets a free pass. I guess you could say, I see it on both sides of the issue.


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23539371 - 08/13/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea it's just wishful thinking that Islam and LGBT will ever coexist peacefully.


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
    #23539503 - 08/14/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Apostle said:
Should we ban mosques? Or at least any that have a record of teaching harmful ideology and encouraging(sometimes funding and engaging in) terrorism?


I know it sounds extreme but i feel like there are too many mosques and Americans are just not ready for that. Maybe make them stand out less and don't have the half moon and star on the roof. I say this so that the places wont be so easy to recognize and target by upset Americans.

Theres plenty of humble churches in plain buildings and honestly they have great services and sense of community just like the "cathedral" kinds.

just brainstorming because i think things are going to escalate




Jesus dude.

A Muslim preacher was shot and you think mosques are the problem?





what do you believe the problem is?

think about this

dylan roof killed 9 people and a flag was the problem

an islamic radical shoots a bunch of gays in a bar and the gun was the problem

he simply applied liberal logic to this, why are you so offended by liberal logic all of a sudden?


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
    #23539505 - 08/14/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see anything about a suspect being aoprehended, or an apparent motive beyond what's being speculated so at this point it's two dead people who happen to be Muslim and a shooter at large.  For all we know the shooter is also Muslim.

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Edited by abltsandwich (08/14/16 01:09 AM)


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23539514 - 08/14/16 01:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

did i say abducted?

if i did it was on accident.

@pris while i see what you are getting at with your comparison, i wasn't intentionally applying liberal logic. I just want to get rid of mosques and made a half-assed attempt to make my reasons for doing so seem altruistic.

:elmo:


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
    #23539525 - 08/14/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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@pris while i see what you are getting at with your comparison, i wasn't intentionally applying liberal logic. I just want to get rid of mosques and made a half-assed attempt to make my reasons for doing so seem altruistic.

:elmo:




I dont believe that liberals intend to do it either, it's just that the synapses in
their brain dont fire signals correctly so the though processes arent all there


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
    #23539532 - 08/14/16 01:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Whoops I meant, "apprehended" not "abducted"
They both start with A.  Close enough. :shrug:


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23539541 - 08/14/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That confederate flag fiasco was definitely intentional even if the reasoning was all fucked up. At least at the level of the organizers. I think the "movement" was probably paid for by Soros or some other opportunistic group that has long despised that flag for whatever reason.

They had a goal and unfourtunately achieved it, getting rid of monuments and flags all over the country.

I'm proud to live in the State that has the Largest Confederate flag still flying today.
i believe it was largest even before the ban but the fact that it's still there after the campaign against them is awesome.
by an interstate too. used to live not too far from there.

Everyone shits on florida but west/north FL is a whole different world.

I rarely saw any "democrats" where i was. It was a lovely town.


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
    #23539563 - 08/14/16 01:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I just want to get rid of mosques and made a half-assed attempt to make my reasons for doing so seem altruistic.

:elmo:




Evangelical Christians are so hypocritical, they claim to be about American values, but at the same time they don't really value freedom of religion or free speech.

And then they bitch that Democrats are traitors because they think they want to do away with the 2nd amendment (which is a straw man, but that's what they think).


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
    #23539592 - 08/14/16 01:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What did the Christians do now?

Are there no Christian democrats?

why did you bring them up?


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
    #23539596 - 08/14/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Because, I see this phenomenon, mostly among super patriotic pro-USA right-wing Christians, who are all about American values but want to ban Islam. And ban certain educational books on top of that. These guys are anything but pro-freedom.


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
    #23539598 - 08/14/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Evangelicals are predominantly Republican

And also predominantly loud and bitchy

Also predominantly are Christian religious TV personalities and media moguls


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Crystal G]
    #23539602 - 08/14/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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all about American values but want to ban Islam. .



I see nothing contradictory about this.


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23539605 - 08/14/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone who voices an opinion with which you disagree can easily be disregarded as just being "loud and bitchy."


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23539607 - 08/14/16 01:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I meant that they are a very vocal minority.


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Re: Imam(muslim) killed in broad daylight [Re: Apostle]
    #23539611 - 08/14/16 01:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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all about American values but want to ban Islam. .



I see nothing contradictory about this.




It goes against the freedom of religion, the very 1st Amendment, which is the very reason Americans fought so hard to emancipate themselves from the British Empire.

Or are you not aware of your own country's history?


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