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Pastywhyte
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Hashed]
#23539976 - 08/14/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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While there is a lot of old/bad info on these boards, it's actually not that hard a puzzle IMO. I learned nearly everything I needed to grow at a reasonably high level just by reading here, that was before I had an account yet, before a lot of the great writeups like Franks or SBJs were even written. It's not perfect but we are getting better all the time.
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23540032 - 08/14/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Granted some are wittier researchers than others, researching the science behind everything and weeding out bad information comes naturally so some people, like yourself, I suppose. 
I know that it sure as hell did not exactly come naturally to me, my journey was a giant challenge to say the least, it was an acquired skill for me. 
So it depends from what skill and knowledge level point of view you look at it, I suppose, put yourself in a noobs shoes, a dumb noobs shoes... Not a sharp noobs shoes...
Yes, we are getting better all the time, thanks to all the users who have a full set of up to date knowledge, like yourself.
I'm probably not really one to talk, because personally I was just force-fed myself early on, but once I got the hang of it, I began to pick everything up myself, learn everything else myself, I realized, wait a minute, UTFSE!!!
Simply the drive to learn the science behind everything so I am able to decipher the best methods, along with the posts and teks of the sites greatest cultivators, such as yourself, gives me a solid set of knowledge that I get to prove myself with.
That's is why I owe the shroomery big time and am in the process of paying it forward, writing out a few great walls of texts in my own time, to be made into pictorials ASAP.
I have great things planned for the future, and along with producing my own variety and documenting on the process in the near future, it has prompted me to want to release some awesome up to date content that will no doubt get the thumbs up from the masters, because essentially, it's just the greatest knowledge there is, regurgitated.
It's just that no one has made an up to date update for certain teks yet, so I'll analyse the structure of the website and see what I can do about it, if it needs a tek I'll make one, why not.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Hashed]
#23540058 - 08/14/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not even sure what is actually missing? There are decent writeups for most methods. Maybe LC could use a refresher but by the time a person is ready to start messing with it they shouldn't even need a tek.
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Kenetic
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23540254 - 08/14/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the posts.
I've been able to find everything I need except more specific info on agar work, which I have so far avoided. I even bought RR's videos and the parts on agar, cloning and isolation barely cover the surface. I really like the link to Stro's tek. This is pretty much the stuff I'm looking for. It' very in-depth and breaks down what a sector is, for example.
The search engine is allright but I have to spell everything perfectly or I get zero results; I usually just use google as it's more intuitive and allows more room for error. I've searched for agar teks a lot and I've never come across Stro's tek, which I have found extremely useful and informative.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Kenetic] 1
#23540329 - 08/14/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Start looking in people's sig for compilation teks. Also the search engine works great, I suspect you don't know how to use it properly. For instance I typed "how agar" which is a total of 7 letters, one space, and grammatically incorrect. I have placed the 4th result for you below.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21176491
That writeup contains a link to many writeups on agar and methods. Was the 4th result.
The search function is not perfect but it still works well. Start reading links in veterans sigs, and if in doubt ask, people are able to shoot ya links pretty easy.
Here is another fantastic writeup on cleaning bacteria. You cam do it without antibiotics as well so don't even worry about getting those.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2894662
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Kenetic
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23540334 - 08/14/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sweet, thank you.
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Kenetic
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23540342 - 08/14/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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One more thing....
How can I bookmark posts or threads? I can't figure it out for some reason.
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Mycologist217
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Kenetic] 1
#23540377 - 08/14/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If videos are more your thing, Munch has an excellent series of agar work videos. I have them linked in my sig as "agar work videos".....click the pointer finger under the post....that thread will appear under your profile list
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Mycologist217]
#23540427 - 08/14/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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speaking of good links in signatures
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
#23540488 - 08/14/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rooster Cogburn said: That's what I said, unless it's monotubs, coir and new DIY builds, TMC and GGMM has it all. What's untrue in GGMM and TMC? I have seen RR talk about the agar incubation temps,
Even RR admitted Stamets never recommended any incubation temperature for cubensis jars. Many fucked up and misread/misinterpreted what Stamets said, in the book he clearly warns that growing substrates will be warmer than surrounding temps, and the 84-86F figure he gives was for substrate temp. Many would say this is also too high, but incubating at 86F would result in higher substrate temps.
The only active species I see in TMC that he recommends was for growing tamp & mex sclerotia.
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To encourage sclerotia production only, incubate mycelia on rye grass seed at 75°F. in complete darkness.
and for mex sclerotia which was referenced to Wasson & Heim.
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Heim and Wasson (1 958) considered sclerotia production in this species to be the most efficient method for the generation of biomass. Optimum temperature for sclerotia production was reported to be at 70-75 °F. in darkness.
Most now say to grow in light, darkness might suit people better though, as its such a stealthy thing to grow. There are videos showing dutch commercial producers growing in the dark. This is not to say its the most efficient, but many go on like TMC has things that will 100% lead to complete fuck ups. If people insist dark for sclerotia is wrong it might put people off growing at all.
People make out like there is loads of incorrect stuff but give no examples, I guess they are just repeating what they heard, like the 86F thing.
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dankington
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: blackout]
#23540503 - 08/14/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had a feeling that mention of TMC would bring you out
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: dankington]
#23540512 - 08/14/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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the devils advocate of shotty info
P.s.
tyndallization is garbage even if people get it 100% right
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Rooster Cogburn
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23541034 - 08/14/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The thing about TMC, is it was written to expose the techniques that commercial industry held close for so long. Cubensis production is written between the lines of that book, it may not say directly "this is what you do for cubensis" but there is a picture of a cube on most pages relevant to cube production. It was actually a genius way to write that book and keep it relevant in academics, which it still is today, it is still used as a text book for university level mycology, hell you can rent it out as a text book on amazon.
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SHROOM HEAD

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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23541583 - 08/14/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I'm not even sure what is actually missing? There are decent writeups for most methods. Maybe LC could use a refresher but by the time a person is ready to start messing with it they shouldn't even need a tek.
There are heaps of great write ups, and yes, everything can be found by digging around, but more often than not, never in the same place.
To be honest the tek that needs a giant refresher is the pf tek, so I'm working on that, the best pf tek out there right now is EM666's, and it's shit.
Other than that, RR and Roadkill's pf tek would be better, but there is some slight outdated info in it and it does skip on a few things, like misting, for example.
Too many noobs pick up mis-information about misting, not to mention all the other mis-information they pick up as a result of reading crap. So they have to be shown "The Misted Cake Project". And fanning... such a pointless practice. 
I'm working on a giant updated pf tek encyclopedia, everything you need to know about pf tek in one place, going over all the multiple up to date techniques to go about getting it done, from spore to mushroom, steam sterilizing to pressure cooking, spore syringe to LC, and all that good shit, all in one place, noobs paradise.
Giant up to date pf tek pictorial encyclopedia type shit and it will be released ASAP and it will be the best pf tek so far hands down. 
Mycologist217 got a solid LC tek I reckon.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Hashed]
#23541597 - 08/14/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The misted cake project is linked in SBJ's the basics along with pretty much every other tek out there worth compiling. SBJ's basics is pretty damn solid.
Not sure what's outdated in RR's let's grow mushrooms section on cakes. I haven't watched it in years tho. He has some older info on his bulk sections but that's it.
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23541653 - 08/14/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I know, SBJ's basics are indeed, pretty damn solid.
To be honest, I remember skim watching it and noticing some shit is outdated, and I know for a fact he does not go over some things.
I would have to re-watch it to be certain and I cbf watching it again at this instant, I'll watch it in a few hours and report back.
But like SBJs basics, Let's grow mushrooms is pretty damn solid.
I reckon this is pretty on topic for a thread about structured info on MC, discussing the available information.
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