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Kenetic
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Structured info on mushroom cultivation?
#23538588 - 08/13/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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As the title suggests, I am looking for a source of structured info regarding mushroom cultivation, specifically genetics and sterile culture work. This site has tons of useful info but I have to search to find it and there are may be things I'm missing.
My main concern is agar and proper sterile technique, what to look for specifically on a dish and how to isolate and test my cultures. I've always cloned with rye grain and had mixed results, and now I've decided to do it the right way despite my previous inhibitions. I already have all the stuff I need except a source of info.
Here's a good example: I have a few (unclean) spore prints from my last grow and I'm unclear on how to isolate them from contams and still save a decent amount of genetic diversity to cherry-pick a clone.
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Kenetic]
#23538593 - 08/13/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by Rooster Cogburn (08/13/16 05:57 PM)
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Rooster Cogburn
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
#23538600 - 08/13/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also The mushroom cultivator and Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms are great books for quick resources on standard procedures.
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Kenetic
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
#23538621 - 08/13/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow that's excellent! Thanks!
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Hashed
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Kenetic]
#23538624 - 08/13/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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kenetic said: This site has tons of useful info but I have to search to find it and there are may be things I'm missing.
Hi bro, you have pretty much answered your question for yourself I'm afraid. Unfortunately, there is no one link with all the teks with the most up to date information in them at the front page of the shroomery, as awesome as that would be, it does not exist, and researching is a challenge that you must become good at and used to doing if you are going to get anywhere.
The only way you are going to get the most supreme information is to do a shit load of research AND more importantly, to learn the science behind everything, this way you will know what the best information out there is.
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Kenetic
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Hashed]
#23538645 - 08/13/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm looking for a book reference or something more structured than a forum.
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Kenetic
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
#23538652 - 08/13/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rooster Cogburn said: Also The mushroom cultivator and Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms are great books for quick resources on standard procedures.
Like this. However, who wrote these?
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Kenetic]
#23538661 - 08/13/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Paul Staments
But beware of outdated or incorrect information.
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Hashed]
#23538754 - 08/13/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Some outdated stuff as far as temperature ranges for incubating and what not, but unless it's stuff about coir, monotubs, and DIY builds it's all in those books.
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Kenetic
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
#23538766 - 08/13/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sweet. Just found some pdf files of those books and it's great.
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Kenetic]
#23538793 - 08/13/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Awesome, that's where I first read them!
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Mad Season
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
#23539364 - 08/13/16 11:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's no monotubs in TMC... It's from the 1980s. It's like as old as it gets on info. Only time you should honestly be reading it is if you already have a solid understanding of cubensis. Then you can ignore the shit that's obviously not true, and look at the good info. Like the contaminations area.
If you want places with everything in one spot here's a few AMAZING links
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14217681
Enjoy.
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Mad Season]
#23539524 - 08/14/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's what I said, unless it's monotubs, coir and new DIY builds, TMC and GGMM has it all. What's untrue in GGMM and TMC? I have seen RR talk about the agar incubation temps, but I can't think of anything else, and to tell the truth Im not even sure if the agar thing is true or not. GGMM is a cornerstone if you go into gourmet cultivation.
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Mad Season]
#23539544 - 08/14/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Only time you should honestly be reading it is if you already have a solid understanding of cubensis. Then you can ignore the shit that's obviously not true, and look at the good info.
This could honestly be said for anything.
It's great to have a solid understanding of something, then going back and reading everything and realizing what information is legit and what information is garbage.
But where does this solid understanding come from? It honestly comes from actually wanting to know badly enough. A lot of reading up to date teks and searching. Reading a lot of posts from master cultivators and learning why you need to do what, the actual science behind everything.
After a while of doing that, you should have a knack for it, I think it's ridiculous how scattered everything is, and I'm working on doing my part to keep solid information in circulation, I am honestly working on writing out a great wall of text for an updated PF TEK right now, among a few other things. And the PF TEK will not be released until all the pictures to go with it are sorted.
EM666's PF TEK just does not cut it anymore, people with concrete understanding should be making more pictorial teks if they want to notice a real difference to be honest.
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Hashed]
#23539648 - 08/14/16 02:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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@Rooster sorry I misread lol! My bad.
@Hashed True. Tho the search function here is straight up amazing. I've never had to ask a question here. It takes like tops 2 minutes to find my answers. Actually if you look at my previous posts in cult, it's a lot of links that I had to utsf to even find in the first place.
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Mad Season said: Step 1: Use The Search Function (UTSF)

Lots of people complain the search function sucks, and gives outdated info. Try clicking the 2 pics above this!
From my how to shroomery like a pro link in my sig 
I agree there's some parts of EM666s pf tek I don't like. Same with SBJs mono tek, there's lots of room for improvement. Always changing and improving, this place is.
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Mad Season]
#23539675 - 08/14/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: I agree there's some parts of EM666s pf tek I don't like. Same with SBJs mono tek, there's lots of room for improvement. Always changing and improving, this place is. 
Indeed.
But you got to admit, this website is not exactly an easy puzzle to crack. I believe that a lot more organization needs to go into this website, otherwise noobs galore will continue to flood the threads.
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Hashed]
#23539687 - 08/14/16 02:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also there's CMS going on right now. Lots of effort to get rid of outdated info, and throw it into the archives. Lots of bs I'm too tired to get into, but this sites a work in progress with lots of debate on how to deal with the clutter.
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Hashed]
#23539720 - 08/14/16 02:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not going to lie, the shroomery is quite chaotic, unless shit gets completely organized, it will honestly remain as such. If I was an administrator, god damn, this place would be getting an extreme makeover...
But the shroomery hands down contains the best information there is, if you dig deep enough and have enough passion to research and learn the science behind everything, that is. It's simple as that, but it's really not simple, it comes from countless hours of research.
I'm doing my part, well, working on it...  And I can definitely see myself releasing a fuck tonne of updated teks in the future, no doubt about that.
I'm not all complaining, it's a beautiful WIP and the most awesome resource there is, I would not be shit without the shroomery and it's knowledgeable users, it's all on the users to release up to date teks to really make a difference and make it better.
I for one, am in the process of working on a gigantic wall of text for the the pf tek right now, and once all the pictures are up, that is going to be "PF TEK 2017" done and dusted, there are literally NO start to finish pf teks that have the most updated supreme knowledge in them, I feel I got this one, so remember this conversation after I release it, Mad Season.
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Hashed]
#23539803 - 08/14/16 03:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: I agree there's some parts of EM666s pf tek I don't like. Same with SBJs mono tek, there's lots of room for improvement. Always changing and improving, this place is. 
Indeed.
But you got to admit, this website is not exactly an easy puzzle to crack. I believe that a lot more organization needs to go into this website, otherwise noobs galore will continue to flood the threads.
The very first place I landed years ago starting my cultivation journey was this forum board.....hard to crack? The people who get good at this hobby are the people who produce fruit
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Re: Structured info on mushroom cultivation? [Re: Mycologist217]
#23539902 - 08/14/16 06:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I meant that learning the science behind everything and getting to know the best information is a hard one to crack, take your LC manual for example, how much information did you have to go through to make that tek?
Not anyone can just write a LC manual, takes learning the science behind everything and supreme knowledge and wisdom handed down to you from great teachers to write a tek like that, not to mention you can always put your twist on things, this is where learning the science behind everything comes into play.
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