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Ferather
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Testing pine pellets using the WL Tek
#23537833 - 08/13/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is how to use pine pellets in a substrate. In this example I am using 80% water content. This is 50g dry pine pellets, 50g dry paper pellets, 400g water, 500g total weight.
Pine contains inhibitory resins that most mycelium do not like. Mixing the two reduces the concentration to ineffective.
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Recipe:
50g, 50g > Paper Pellets, Pine Pellets. 2.5ml > Miracle-Gro® SPF or LPF. 0.6ml > Seaweed Fertilizer. 0.6ml > Yeast Nutrients.
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Measure the 400g of hot boiled water, added to a bowl with lid. Add the 50g of pine pellets, mix untill mostly broken up.
Microwave for 8 minutes on full power, fully covered. Measure and add more boiling water, 450g total.
Add the SPF, YN and seaweed fertilizer, mix. Add the 50g of paper pellets, and mix well.
Microwave for 88 seconds, with lid on. Leave and remove after 2 hours.

Work fully covered.
Edited by Ferather (09/04/16 04:42 PM)
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Psilosopherr
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23537891 - 08/13/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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right on, got some ancient bags of these with no other use.
So you've already had flushes from doing this or..?
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23538006 - 08/13/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I guess you have not seen these yet, these are an outdoor grow:

SPF + YN, paper, compost and pine.
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23540733 - 08/14/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is proof that pine can be used along side the WL Tek.

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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23540779 - 08/14/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice... Btw, I noticed you updated the Tek with seaweed fertilizer. Your Tek before the update was 0.6% added Nitrogen. What is it after the seaweed fertilizer was added?
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Ferather said: Here is proof that pine can be used along side the WL Tek.
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: loggrower]
#23540811 - 08/14/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes after the update. I updated it to include the seaweed fertilizer. Originally used as an Iodine source but growth was improved.
The seaweed adds a variety of usable nutrients. There's 0.62% nitrates in the seaweed.
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23540818 - 08/14/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The label does say it can be mixed with other fertilizers.

Very safe to use, low nitrates, and organic.
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23542956 - 08/15/16 05:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is the 50/50 pine and paper WL Tek sample after 2 days.

No inhibitory action, healthy strong growth.
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23545994 - 08/16/16 04:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is the 50/50 pine and paper WL Tek sample after 3 days.

Full pass for using pine at a 50/50 ratio.
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23548981 - 08/17/16 04:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is the 50/50 pine and paper WL Tek sample after 4 days.

Slightly stronger and faster than the basic WL Tek. Variation winning again, even with pine wood.
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23549037 - 08/17/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doing some research it turns out the resins are a complex carbon, hydrogen and oxygen arrangement. Classed as essential oleoresin's, pine over produces oleoresin to an inhibitory effect.
Cinnamic acid - C9 H8 02. Benzoic acid - C7 H6 O2.
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23552225 - 08/18/16 04:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is the 50/50 pine and paper WL Tek sample after 5 days.

Seriously strong growth, 100% grain free.
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23554917 - 08/18/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like the tek but most people who grow oysters on here do it on a large scale....it doesn't seem like you could scale up a substrate like this very easily....can you sterilize all that stuff without a microwave?
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23555086 - 08/18/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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if microwaves wont work for bulk then just pasteurize/sterilize
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23555929 - 08/19/16 05:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You should be able to make it in the same way as you do now. I only use a microwave for smaller hobby sizes.
Just add the additives to your water.
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23555934 - 08/19/16 05:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is the 50/50 pine and paper WL Tek sample after 6 days.

It seems the oleoresin's count as a source of carbon.
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23556617 - 08/19/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23565042 - 08/22/16 04:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oleoresin's and other nutrients present in pine have a positive impact at a usable ratio.

Counting as a rich carbon source, and working like carbohydrates. They also work like salt or sugar, too much is inhibitory.
Work clean, chance of mold spores germinating.
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23565104 - 08/22/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anyone willing to try pine wood juice agar? Saturate with water and strain. Results should be growth, with limited contamination chance.
No idea how much to put to agar, sorry.
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23585832 - 08/28/16 04:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Started a Golden oyster grow, same recipe, but only 2% spawn.

Colonizing fully in the dark, same as normal.
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23596437 - 08/31/16 05:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok so after testing with Golden oyster I can see that the longer you cook the wood, the better. This is not due to the resins, but to breakdown the wood to a more usable state.
You only need to prevent aerial infection, from mold spores. Once fully colonized infection chances are minimal.
I have updated the cooking method.
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23603703 - 09/02/16 04:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here is the 50/50 pine and paper WL Tek sample, kept in a fridge at 2°C.

Darker than the standard WL Tek, the surface is flat with a sheen.
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Ferather
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Re: How to utilize pine pellets using the WL Tek [Re: Ferather]
#23611949 - 09/04/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, King oyster is capable of consuming pine, Golden oyster is too sensitive.

Very limited growth and metabolites, not a good result. Full pass for King oyster, fail for Golden oyster.
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Soon, Tarragon and Summer oyster's to test on pine. I found Nameko, which also eats softwoods.
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