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How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water?
    #23537690 - 08/13/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hello everybody!
You see all these people that just pasteurize coir putting it in a bucket and adding boiling water, then when it cools down it's pasteurized. So how reliable is this method Vs. pressure cooking in jars (sterilize) or pasteurize it in jars with a meat thermometer keeping the right temperature for an hour? Does coco really have the beneficial bacteria that would get killed in the sterilization?
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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: Fiscal] * 1
    #23537695 - 08/13/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Very unreliable because it's not pasteurization. But you're in luck since you SHOULD sterilise coir. And the bucket TEK is just fine for sterilizing coir


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23537893 - 08/13/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Never had a problem with this tek...and you can replace the coffee with vermiculite.
You can also add a tbs of gypsum.


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: oontribe]
    #23537911 - 08/13/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If coir had beneficial bacteria the bucket tek would have been crucified on the spot.  I really suggest staying the fuck away from coffee though..


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: oontribe]
    #23537915 - 08/13/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think the bucket get's you to sterilization, in fact last time I had done one I actually threw in the temp probe to see and it sat in the mid one fifties for the whole hour, I can see partial sterilization if it goes over that too long, but not sterilized.


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: Rooster Cogburn] * 1
    #23537919 - 08/13/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I use an insulated bucket the temperature is above 170F still after an hour. It's above 150 easily over two.

Also I pre heat the bucket with boiling water.


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23537943 - 08/13/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I wouldn't count that as sterilization, though it doesnt really matter with the coir.
I did a run a while back ago with grow bags like Lipa's fuel pellet tek, I just loaded each bag with the ingredients for a tub and dumped the boiling water into the bags, sealed them up and let them sit in totes for an hour, that time core temps went up into the 170's for an hour, that's the hottest I have gotten coir with boiling water, though I have never used an insulated bucket, I use a big tote and usually do a run of about 30 lb.'s of sub in it.


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23537948 - 08/13/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If it's more than pasteurization temps, and it's coir, you may as well call it sterilization.  I throw boiling water in mine, throw it in the oven, and turn it to 200 for 2 hours.


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23537954 - 08/13/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If it's more than pasteurization temps, and it's coir, you may as well call it sterilization.  I throw boiling water in mine, throw it in the oven, and turn it to 200 for 2 hours.




I have been meaning to try this, what are using, turkey trays? And do you cover it with anything?


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23537957 - 08/13/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

An oven bag for turkeys/hams.  It's closed so I don't lose moisture in the oven, since that would be a huge problem otherwise.


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23537969 - 08/13/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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An oven bag for turkeys/hams.  It's closed so I don't lose moisture in the oven, since that would be a huge problem otherwise.




This seems to be where it's at as far as labor and efficiency goes. I need to give that a go.


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23537984 - 08/13/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23537989 - 08/13/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I wouldn't count that as sterilization, though it doesnt really matter with the coir.
I did a run a while back ago with grow bags like Lipa's fuel pellet tek, I just loaded each bag with the ingredients for a tub and dumped the boiling water into the bags, sealed them up and let them sit in totes for an hour, that time core temps went up into the 170's for an hour, that's the hottest I have gotten coir with boiling water, though I have never used an insulated bucket, I use a big tote and usually do a run of about 30 lb.'s of sub in it.



Sterilization is 170F for 10 minutes whether you personally like to call it that or not


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23538043 - 08/13/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

As innocule said, it's coir, you might as well call it sterilization, I agree, but if we are arguing over semantics  :nonono: 
Take Lipa's fuel pellet tek, same concept as the bucket tek except for un supplemented sawdust, this also gives random temps usually over 170, I have had great success with that tek until I started sneaking in wheat bran or other supplements, 170's is just not sterilization, now I supplement sawdust at 20-40 % but it HAS to be sterilized at 15psi for 2 or more hours or they will inevitably fail.
Coco does fine with whatever the fuck you do to it really, but try throwing in some supplements and then partially sterilize it.


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23538047 - 08/13/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck supplements. :shrug:  No offense, you know, just fuck em.


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23538063 - 08/13/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There's different kinds of sterilized. 170F 10m is past disinfection past sanitization past pasteurization. But its insufficient for grains and supplemented sawdust sure.

Every beverage industry from beer and wine to milk and water. They all sterilize hoses, transfer lines, fillers with 170F water. Hotter damages seals or stresses joints from expansion and contraction. Some industry uses a chemical sanitizer after sterilization because the federal government is as retarded as can be. HACCP might be good on paper but the people enforcing it don't know dick shit


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23538128 - 08/13/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Fuck supplements. :shrug:  No offense, you know, just fuck em.




Yeah it's retarded to use supplements in coir, I was just making an example about sterilization, now for gourmets, supplements boost BE like day and night.

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There's different kinds of sterilized. 170F 10m is past disinfection past sanitization past pasteurization. But its insufficient for grains and supplemented sawdust sure.

Every beverage industry from beer and wine to milk and water. They all sterilize hoses, transfer lines, fillers with 170F water. Hotter damages seals or stresses joints from expansion and contraction. Some industry uses a chemical sanitizer after sterilization because the federal government is as retarded as can be. HACCP might be good on paper but the people enforcing it don't know dick shit




Yeah, your talking about sanitizing, completely different than sterile. I used to brew beer too, and you sanitize everything with both hot water and chemicals, sanitizing does not remove all micro organisms like sterilizing, hence why we flame scalpels and not wipe them off with sanitary napkins.


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23538135 - 08/13/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No its not sanitation its sterilization. I work at a 60k BBL brewery and do brewery QA

Sanitizing is when you dip your fittings in 170F water less than 10 minutes. Or spray them with Peroxyacetic or iodophor


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23538145 - 08/13/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



Where's the carb on this thing how do you smoke it

To be more truthful 170f for 10m is technically on surgically clean non porous surfaces. So if you take your fittings or pipe and they have crud caked on you could push 212F water and not sterilize


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Re: How reliable is the method of pasteurize coir just adding boiling water? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23538170 - 08/13/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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No its not sanitation its sterilization. I work at a 60k BBL brewery and do brewery QA :thatsinteresting:

Sanitizing is when you dip your fittings in 170F water less than 10 minutes. Or spray them with Peroxyacetic or iodophor




No it's not sterilization, its sanitizing.
I just got done building an atmospheric steamer like gr0wers, and if I was able to sterilize my sub in that thing for an hour at 170, that would be awesome, but it takes at least 12 hours(24 total) at WAY higher temps than 170, if substrate could be sterilized that quickly it would be a game changer for both hobby and commercial cultivation, but it doesn't work that way.
You are confused by the coir, coir works always pretty much whatever you do to it. By the way who told you that 170 for over an hour is sterilization, it is common knowledge that is called partial sterilization, you would never get away with that with poo or supplements, in fact it is considered worse than under pasteurized when dealing with nutritious sub?


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