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OfflineKnowPeace
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BRF to Hpoo/Straw, Mini mono(Milk Jug)... A Beginner w/ Ideas O.o
    #23535886 - 08/12/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

*Everything written here and under this accounts is a fairy-tale, a myth passed down for generations...continue*

.....It has been some time since I've been round these parts. Glad to see everyone continuing to progress and learn in this field of mycology(and related). So, on to a little hump in the road that I've hit.

What I've Got


...........Say that I've got 24-1/2 pints of BRF close to being fully colonized. But, anyone who knows cakes knows that they take up some room, plus, I'm trying to expand my knowledge base. That is why I want to try my hand at casings(Verm&Coir) as well as spawning to bulk substrate (Hpoo&Straw). To cover this first, I am not using Rye, at least for now, because my last experience proved that endospores can ruin an entire batch. Further, I'd rather develop the ability to make a tested LC before going back to rye. So,  I've got access to varying amounts of ver,coir,hpoo, so on, and the ability to pasteurize it. I can also find perlite for an FC, but.....this is where the learning curve is....not a single one of these will be fruited as a cake. As for containers I want to test out for fruiting, I have been interested in the ability 1 gallon(1G) Milk Jugs.


What I'm trying to do


The OG plan would be this.....24 x 1/2pints=12 pints=6 quarts, given that none of these contam. Lets go along with this assumption, but be prepared if anything otherwise happens.

Bulk Sub----
I was thinking of setting up 4 1G Milk Jugs with a BRF Spawn to Hpoo/Straw Bulk Sub(BS) ratio of 1:2. I'll be testing out using sand/any filler to visualize if this ratio reaches the optimum  substrate depth of 3.5-4inches(4-4.5inches after casing). If not, increasing the BS would be appropriate, yeah? AS for the casing layer, this goes for the BRF trays that I may create and case...........I was thinking of only late casing, from what I've read and thought, why have that layer colonized and all that work put in and still not have fruits? Though, the thought of contams on the casing layer is a constant, how do you guys get around this, or at least, deal with it?

Milk Jug Mini Mono----
Alright, here is where I've been struggling to figure a couple things out. I want to spawn to BS and fruit inside of Milk Jug, sounds simple enough. But, I'm just concerned with getting enough FAE as well as having adequate humidity to initiate pinning and fruit growth. That is why I bought some polyfill...if that can even be used here. Anyone who has been able to dial in a mini mono within a Milk jug or a similar size contained, SPREAD YOUR WISDOM!!! I was thinking 2 holes on the bottom and 4 on top, although I dont know the recommended size...

Casing-----
With the remaining 2 quarts, if, for the sake of yields, they are better off put to spawning some BS, then tell me now or forever hold your peace ;P. But, in theory, if i were to lay out 2 small trays with 1qt of BRF spawn, and this questions goes for the previous BS idea, is the preferred casing depth 1/2 an inch?. Would casing with 50/50 verm and coir be more efficient than spawning the quart of brf to just coir(I've seen a couple logs that involve this)?

Misc questions---(Regarding the above)
-For both a possible mini mono and a casing, do you  guys still dunk for 24-36 hours before spawning to BS or crumbling to case?
- I mentioned late casing earlier. For a tray of 4 crumbled brf jars, I'm sure they would have a tougher time pinning without layer of verm to provide a micro climate, unless the FC they are in is dialed in right. Would it be smarter to just case with coir/verm, patch any areas that colonize to quickly, and fruit when the casing is___(I'm still slightly clueless on when the best time to initiate pinning/fruiting is for casings and mini monos)___

Misc Questions Regarding Rye-----
-Can one have any luck with inoculating self healing ports of 1qt rye jars with MS, under sterile conditions(SAB)? I'm guessing its been done many times, some have risen, some have fallen. For those who have tried this, how many CCs did you inject, 1.5cc seems realistic, yeah?

End Goals


In terms of learning, I hope to end this all with a firm understanding in maintaining FAE and Humidity for mini monos. Further,understanding how to develop a pinset for casings and BS/mini monos will predictably be the most difficult challenge.


Many Blessings


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Re: BRF to Hpoo/Straw, Mini mono(Milk Jug)... A Beginner w/ Ideas O.o [Re: KnowPeace]
    #23535910 - 08/12/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I recently did something very similar.

Fruited about 6 cakes to 3 parts coir/Verm/manure.

Did not dunk. Just pasteurized all my substrate, then mixed with my broken cake pieces.

Honestly, I only yielded about exactly an 8th per cake once I did the math.

It was fun,felt cool. But didn't yield me any better than simply just fruiting the cakes as cakes. Do please try it, it's cool to see a monotub of fruits, but I wouldn't expect more yield doing this. Just in my experience, I could not be the best at it and be having poor results.

I'm going to have 24 cakes myself finished colonizing in about a week. Will probably just fruit them as cakes to be honest.

Look into grains. I did my first 4 jars 3days ago. Still waiting to see any signs of growth.


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Re: BRF to Hpoo/Straw, Mini mono(Milk Jug)... A Beginner w/ Ideas O.o [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23535977 - 08/12/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Moab, do you feel like by having 3 parts C/V/Manure, you gave the myc back nutrients through the manure that it had spent on colonizing the Bulk sub? I understand what you mean by just going with cakes, simple and straightforward . With the Bulk sub i may choose, I'm hoping that the myc network is enough to put out more than that 3.5g per cake that you got, which is what I'm hoping for at the very least.


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Re: BRF to Hpoo/Straw, Mini mono(Milk Jug)... A Beginner w/ Ideas O.o [Re: KnowPeace]
    #23536143 - 08/12/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I honestly don't feel like it added a whole lot except some different texture to the substrate.

I don't have enough experience doing and trials with and without manure, but I don't feel like it greatly improved anything.

I'll continue to do it, because it also didn't hurt anything, and if you have it why not use it. But don't expect to double your yields with it by any means.


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Re: BRF to Hpoo/Straw, Mini mono(Milk Jug)... A Beginner w/ Ideas O.o [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23539905 - 08/14/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So, to organize the questions I had.....

-Would 1.25-1.5ccs be adequate for quart sized rye jars?

-For those of you who use BRF cakes as spawn do you dunk beforehand?

-As for the Milk Jug mini-mono, whats the ideal hole size to drill in and stuff with poly-fill? Anyone have issues with dialing them in?

-I've been reading up and the consensus is that crumbling and casing BRF 1/2 pints isnt really worth it(damage of the myc network and effort put in to reconnect) and its better to spawn to something, such as coir. Is the nutrients and energy the myc put into colonizing the coir worth the fruits you harvest, given optimum conditions?


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Re: BRF to Hpoo/Straw, Mini mono(Milk Jug)... A Beginner w/ Ideas O.o [Re: KnowPeace]
    #23540201 - 08/14/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

To answer ur rye innoc ?.  At one instance in my life i was without adequate syringes for ms innocs. I went to the pharmacy and grabbd a bag of 10- 1cc syringes with 28 gauge tip. After sterilizing water loaded up all ten. I too was using 1 quart jars of rye .1 full 1cc syringe can easily inoculate 3 quart jars if needed a 4th could b squeezed out but i recommend 3 at most. Hope this helps


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