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Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us?
#23535823 - 08/12/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had a difficult time deciding where to put this post. Conspiracies and Cover-ups sounds right, but its too based in contentious issues. Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology would be right, but this is way too far out for that forum. It might be too much for this forum! The premise is, that our unconscious existence does not exist in the past, the present or the future. It exists in all three, and it is shared. The below I believe is evidence that people in our future are trying to "dream back" a warning. I suggest dreams, because we are totally unconscious during that event, and anything could be injected into our long term memory, or deep memory for that matter, during a a dream. Later, when context gets close, we cognitively apprehend the information.
This would go for everyone in the film, television and music industry as well. And, they have the economic power to produce whatever they think might make more money, even loose money on a whimsey.
The notion is that complete intact thoughts are too fragmented by the time they enter into the collective unconscious in the future, then traverse the collective unconscious to the present, whereupon they manifest in some coherent form of thought, realization, perception, inspiration, action etc.
Accordingly, with the information of films etc. below, the focus is a date. A very significant date, 9/11
Three weeks before 9/11

Six months before 9/11

Two years before 9/11

9/11

How many are aware of mention of 9-11 in various films, television and other productions BEFORE 9-11? Here's a list. The links are no good. Not sure what happened to vyzygoth. He surely tried to awaken people to the possibilities outside of our common perceptions that may control our existence and futures.
http://www.vyzygoth.com/images/9-11beverlyhillscop.jpg Computer Screen in Beverly Hills Cop II (1987)
http://www.vyzygoth.com/images/9-11timetokill.jpg Dialogue in A Time to Kill (1996)
http://www.vyzygoth.com/9-11faceoff.bmp Film: Face/Off (1997) Time: 00:54:13
http://www.vyzygoth.com/9-11awake.png Film: Awakenings (1990)
http://www.vyzygoth.com/pearl1.gif Film: Pearl Harbour (1999)
http://www.vyzygoth.com/images/9-11grems.jpg Film: Gremlins 2: The New Batch (1990) Time: 01:10:51
http://www.vyzygoth.com/images/9-11overhead.jpg Film: Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) Time: 00:36:14
http://www.vyzygoth.com/images/9-11supermario-1.jpg Film: Super Mario Brothers (1993)
http://www.vyzygoth.com/GODZILLA.jpg Film: Godzilla (1998) Time: 00:41:46
http://www.vyzygoth.com/6.jpg Film: The Sixth Day (2000) Time: 00:04:40
http://www.vyzygoth.com/problem.jpg Film: Problem Child 2 (1991) Time: 00:53:20
http://www.vyzygoth.com/seven.jpg Film: Seven (1995) Time: 01:24:14
http://www.vyzygoth.com/BIGLEBO.gif Film: The Big Lebowski (1998) Time: 00:02:59
http://www.vyzygoth.com/patriot.gif Film: The Patriot (2000)
http://www.vyzygoth.com/INDy.gif Film: Independence Day (1996) Time: 00:45:33
http://www.vyzygoth.com/peace.gif Film: The Peacemaker (1997) Time: 01:28:42
http://www.vyzygoth.com/enemy.gif Film: Enemy of the State (1998) Time: 01:28:06
http://www.vyzygoth.com/13.gif Film: The Thirteenth Floor (1999) Time: 00:53:20
http://www.vyzygoth.com/traffic.gif Film: Traffic (2000) Time: 00:02:17
http://www.vyzygoth.com/pelican.gif Film: The Pelican Brief (1993) Time: 00:41:22
http://www.vyzygoth.com/rug.gif Film: Rugrats in Paris (2000) Time: 00:02:22
However, the context of the mention of the date, 9/11. could carry a general message. This can be seen in the film face off in a diary, September 11, 1997.

"There are no absolutes for something as relative as a human life"
That statement is completely erroneous from the perspective of human life. We have many absolutes that control our existence from movement to moment. However, to a very dark element, we might not have relevance. Other films have taken on the subject of absolutes. "The Return Of The Sith" of the star wars series, also promoting the notion of the "the force", had a discussion between an officer of the empire (decidedly a dark force) and a Sith. The empire officer stated, "Only a Sith would use absolutes!".
With this observation, the entire array of film could be carrying fragments of a message vital to our survival and evolution. The notion of a matrix of decisions controlling a species survival and evolution, or extinction is the contextual basis for the use of the word "Matrix" in the movie, which propounded a notion of technology. I see that in time, there could be nodes of critical evolution and decision making in a matrix of paths of evolution. Where they cross, conjoin, intersect, changes are possible. In one direction lies survival and evolution, in the other lies eventual extinction.
My take is that the films carry the elements of a warning to us, to NOT let 9/11 control our decision making and futures.
In doing so, we succumb to a path of de evolution from what is possible if we resist decisions based in the deceptions and manipulations of 9/11. Essentially, rather than a mammalian evolution, we divert towards insect type DNA controlling our evolution. What happens slowly is we loose our long term memory and become completely dependent upon technology for our long term memory.
Gold is a vital element for information technology, and it does not have much other value for us. The Indigenous Americans do not like it. They do not use it in their jewelry or anywhere else. The Inca only used it for ceremony, not money.
Now, the British Crown controls the gold. Do we really know? A Queen rules that hive. You ought to see the look on an Englishman's face when you ask him why they only have Queens today.
Clearly, our lack of control over our behaviors, our social fears preventing us from unifying, indicate that we are controlled by something in our deep unconscious, and there are few exceptions.
There is a web site that actually provides the context for many of the filmic incidences of 9/11.
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Hollywood_911.htm
You can get an idea of how universal the motivational structure would have to be to get all those people working together to do this, and have the coherency it does have. Therein the speculation of a segment of our collective unconscious partially outside of time, working to defeat or competing with elements that are a part of the whole of physical life, partially bound to time, but still of the collective unconscious, have an ability to reach back in time to try and influence the present, by adjusting the past with the decisions of people of their past. All existence in the universe is somewhat vested in physical life somewhere, sometime, and it is coherent outside of the restraints of time. A complex notion, but conceivable.
And of course the bizarre politics of today would be a part of the blue pill if any of the above is real. How far can we let it go before there is no turning back? What can we do to change directions?
There is something we can do, and it is easier and more common sense than many would believe, given the preceding post. And, it must be to succeed.
This graphic below, shows how all of the above is possible.
-------------------- You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want. People that do not want what they need, have a problem. Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23536194 - 08/12/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've thought about this possibility before and you have to admit all of the pre 9/11 stuff is a little spooky 
It's a hard thing to wrap your mind around, the thought you actually exist outside of this world (dimension?) and that time is an illusion and the past/present/future all exist simultaneously.
Kind of makes you feel like we're living in a simulated reality / computer program, right?
How the future can affect the past:
http://secondnexus.com/technology-and-innovation/physicists-demonstrate-how-time-can-seem-to-run-backward-and-the-future-can-affect-the-past/
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: CrackingTheCode]
#23536394 - 08/12/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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CrackingTheCode said:
Kind of makes you feel like we're living in a simulated reality / computer program, right?
I believe this.
Edited by Lucis (08/12/16 10:40 PM)
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: CrackingTheCode]
#23536405 - 08/12/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hidden in plain site (hips dont lie) its all done intentionally, everything that will happen in the future is laid out in the media, there will be ww3
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: CrackingTheCode]
#23536424 - 08/12/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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CrackingTheCode said: I've thought about this possibility before and you have to admit all of the pre 9/11 stuff is a little spooky 
It's a hard thing to wrap your mind around, the thought you actually exist outside of this world (dimension?) and that time is an illusion and the past/present/future all exist simultaneously.
Kind of makes you feel like we're living in a simulated reality / computer program, right?
How the future can affect the past:
http://secondnexus.com/technology-and-innovation/physicists-demonstrate-how-time-can-seem-to-run-backward-and-the-future-can-affect-the-past/
Wow, science kinda has a handle on this. Excellent! However, it's doubtful they'll figure out a way to use it meaningfully. But thanks for the link, I'll use it. It establishes the the future may be able to effect the past.
The fact of 9/11 indicates there are two elements in the future. One is working us towwrds our extinction, and the other towards our evolution.
My point about memory can figure into the science. What if the scientist forgets they measured the particle/wave at the second grate? Seems a self perpetuating cycle could be permanently interrupted.
There is so much missing knowledge about our true past that getting a grasp on the powers that be efforts to control knowledge, which is a form of memory, is mostly unknown. Most important is understanding oral histories and ancient sun worship. The crusades were essentially about removing all human uses of the unconscious to keep the past. And photons are involved because sun worship observed the solstices wherein the circadian rhythm was involved.
Then the church promoted the written word, but burned all the books it did not like.
Of course England and Rome now have the same agenda, while attorneys are members of the "BAR", or "British Accredited Registry", and in the Apple vs Microsoft case, a Washington state court let Microsoft steal the Apple operating system. PC's are very vulnerable to data loss with a virus, whereas Mac's are not.
Seems that same force is working to make knowledge disappear at the push of a button now.
This while 9/11 is used to go after Muslims who still keep oral histories.
-------------------- You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want. People that do not want what they need, have a problem. Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: bigdoodie]
#23536434 - 08/12/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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bigdoodie said: Hidden in plain site (hips dont lie) its all done intentionally, everything that will happen in the future is laid out in the media, there will be ww3
Do you want that?
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23536582 - 08/12/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Only an ego can want. We should accept things for what they are
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: bigdoodie]
#23536650 - 08/12/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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bigdoodie said: Only an ego can want. We should accept things for what they are
Only the weak and headed for extinction do that. Tyrants love that and agree.
But the Ego is the left brain cognitive part often played by the Id. The Id has wants and desires forever, but relies on the Ego to reason to fulfill needs. Only an Ego can think. Where it is tripped up is the Id can sometimes make it think what the Id wants it too.
We have real options, but we have to think about our needs, what we share, and work together to secure it.
-------------------- You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want. People that do not want what they need, have a problem. Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?
Edited by ChristopherABrown (08/13/16 11:57 AM)
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown] 1
#23536708 - 08/13/16 12:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hmm, there was a very quality post made here that was removed. Was it bigdoodles negativity?
I'm mostly posting on a phone, and this forum software is not friendly to mobiles.
The post was very positive and indicated that love was the answer. Which I absolutely correct. I believe the Indigenous Americans know about this struggle between light and dark, knowingness and unknowingness.
They kept oral histories, some of the most elaborate on the planet. They determined that for love, the most detailed and durable oral histories were held by their bearers.
Through their medicine peoples generations of working with the unconscious mind, they determined that power must serve love, because love protects life. They shared some of their deeper philosophical/spiritual doctrines with the framers of Americas founding documents.
It was the Seneca if the Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy that communicated an incredibly powerful doctrine to the framers. They called it "The Greater Meaning Of Free Speech ".
From a practice of free speech between people, an understanding can be gained. From the understanding can come; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Those same dark forces that were forced to sign the Magna Carta, secretly established themselves within the society of the colonies, and sabotaged the inclusion of the "Greater Meaning Of Free Speech" in the framing documents. By the time the framers were working on the Bill Of Rights, the infiltration had so much influence it was able to limit the expression to the First Amendment we now have.
The First amendment is deficient. Sure, all speech is free, but speech which identifies acts by government destructive to unalienable rights needs to be empowered by government to automatically limit its powers. The constitution is about limits upon government,
But a medicine man told me, love without action is cowardice, and when the action is simply showing understanding and acceptance of our most prime rights, it is a most reasonable action to do just that.
Our course of action to oppose this threat to our futures is simple and common sense. It is very positive and very easy at this point.
It amounts to our simple agreement upon the most prime constitutional intent. The only challenge is to overcome the fact that media is controlled by the tyrants. This means that our love must be used to help create understanding, and that can aid and empower our sharing of this vital agreement which engages our 9th amendment right towards using our right to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights.
Do you agree and accept that the framers of the founding documents intended for us to alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights?
Do you agree and accept that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights?
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23537077 - 08/13/16 05:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If we accept life then death doesnt matter. There is no such thing as a need. We dont need to survive, we have no purpose, it is when we want something that we need something in order to obtain it. If we want to be fulfilled, we must seek the supreme reality, there is no other way
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: bigdoodie]
#23537224 - 08/13/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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bigdoodie said: If we accept life then death doesnt matter. There is no such thing as a need. We dont need to survive, we have no purpose, it is when we want something that we need something in order to obtain it. If we want to be fulfilled, we must seek the supreme reality, there is no other way
You need to breath air every 60 seconds in order to live.
Your life force is separate from your knowledge, no matter what you want.
-------------------- You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want. People that do not want what they need, have a problem. Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23537286 - 08/13/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ChristopherABrown said: Hmm, there was a very quality post made here that was removed. Was it bigdoodles negativity?
I removed my post, not because of anyone's negativity, just because I don't know why.
I cannot stress how I feel about love, so I will summarize what I posted last night.
I believe this world is a simulation, and it wants us to live in fear because we can be controlled easily this way, and the fear we emit from our anxieties, insecurities, etc, is what the negativity which runs the show feeds off of. But we need to wake up and remember love, the love which created us, the love which permeates all things, god is love, and love is god, there is no death, there is no hell, you're perfect as is, wake up and realize this, you don't need to enslave your mind to religions which promise to save your soul, your souls doesn't need to be saved for love transcends all, the negativity in this worlds wants you to forget that.
Sports teams, political parties, religious affiliation, race, those are a few things the negativity in this worlds uses to keep us separated, and at odds with each other, it's really simple, yet genius if you think about it, but those things can only divide us if we allow them too, we have a choice, never forget that, take the time to think things through, this world wants you to rush and make poor decisions, because a rushed mind is easily controlled.
We're shown images on the covers of magazines, and through the television, which make us think how being the perfect person should be, it's all a lie, it's all meant to control you, you will never find happiness through trying to be like someone else, for you are beautiful already, realize that and don't compare yourself to others, recognize your worth, each and every one of you have value, and are worth fighting for, but you must fight for yourself, and wake up and realize these things.
Don't let your past mistakes control you, don't let others ridicule you, break free and be what you already are, which is love.
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Edited by Lucis (08/13/16 09:32 AM)
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Lucis]
#23537556 - 08/13/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fennario said:
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CrackingTheCode said:
Kind of makes you feel like we're living in a simulated reality / computer program, right?
I believe this.
The only truth is the eternal, wherein lies the complete resolve.
The linear time tract is just the self stretched to traverse itself, drip fed, for its own understanding.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Lucis] 1
#23537740 - 08/13/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ChristopherABrown said: Hmm, there was a very quality post made here that was removed. Was it bigdoodles negativity?
I removed my post, not because of anyone's negativity, just because I don't know why. I have some family members that what I say falls on deaf ears, I don't try to convince anyone of anything, but I don't like seeing people enslaved to their own minds. I am not saying their religion is wrong, because that would be wrong of me to do so, but if they're repeatedly depressed, and start talking poorly of their faith, then perhaps they need something more fulfilling in their life.
I guess I felt like since I haven't been able to really help my family, then it didn't seem like anyone would understand here. I don't try to convince them of anything, but it seems like they're stuck in being a victim, which is one of the ploys the negativity in this world uses to entrap your mind, and I just want them to realize they're loved for who they are. I am told I am delusional and need Jesus, which being in my early 30's, I have made my mind up about what I need and don't need.
I cannot stress how I feel about love, so I will summarize what I posted last night.
I believe this world is a simulation, and it wants us to live in fear because we can be controlled easily this way, and the fear we emit from our anxieties, insecurities, etc, is what the negativity which runs the show feeds off of. But we need to wake up and remember love, the love which created us, the love which permeates all things, god is love, and love is god, there is no death, there is no hell, you're perfect as is, wake up and realize this, you don't need to enslave your mind to religions which promise to save your soul, your souls doesn't need to be saved for love transcends all, the negativity in this worlds wants you to forget that.
Sports teams, political parties, religious affiliation, race, those are a few things the negativity in this worlds uses to keep us separated, and at odds with each other, it's really simple, yet genius if you think about it, but those things can only divide us if we allow them too, we have a choice, never forget that, take the time to think things through, this world wants you to rush and make poor decisions, because a rushed mind is easily controlled.
We're shown images on the covers of magazines, and through the television, which make us think how being the perfect person should be, it's all a lie, it's all meant to control you, you will never find happiness through trying to be like someone else, for you are beautiful already, realize that and don't compare yourself to others, recognize your worth, each and every one of you have value, and are worth fighting for, but you must fight for yourself, and wake up and realize these things.
Don't let your past mistakes control you, don't let others ridicule you, break free and be what you already are, which is love.
I agree with and accept your position more completely than is easily stated with text. And That is pretty much complete. The oneness is a realm of intention, and love is its major element.
Let me try using an image with has the word "love" spelled out in a clockwise direction, by a man, surrounding a huge heart shaped stone which is an ancient, sacred place of local Indigenous medicine men. In the background is a natural setting with love spelled out, with symbols of our temporary artificiality in the the foreground. This is a graphic communicating my position which is nearly identical to yours in many respects.
-------------------- You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want. People that do not want what they need, have a problem. Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?
Edited by ChristopherABrown (08/13/16 06:03 PM)
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23537744 - 08/13/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ChristopherABrown said: Hmm, there was a very quality post made here that was removed. Was it bigdoodles negativity?
I removed my post, not because of anyone's negativity, just because I don't know why.
I cannot stress how I feel about love, so I will summarize what I posted last night.
I believe this world is a simulation, and it wants us to live in fear because we can be controlled easily this way, and the fear we emit from our anxieties, insecurities, etc, is what the negativity which runs the show feeds off of. But we need to wake up and remember love, the love which created us, the love which permeates all things, god is love, and love is god, there is no death, there is no hell, you're perfect as is, wake up and realize this, you don't need to enslave your mind to religions which promise to save your soul, your souls doesn't need to be saved for love transcends all, the negativity in this worlds wants you to forget that.
Sports teams, political parties, religious affiliation, race, those are a few things the negativity in this worlds uses to keep us separated, and at odds with each other, it's really simple, yet genius if you think about it, but those things can only divide us if we allow them too, we have a choice, never forget that, take the time to think things through, this world wants you to rush and make poor decisions, because a rushed mind is easily controlled.
We're shown images on the covers of magazines, and through the television, which make us think how being the perfect person should be, it's all a lie, it's all meant to control you, you will never find happiness through trying to be like someone else, for you are beautiful already, realize that and don't compare yourself to others, recognize your worth, each and every one of you have value, and are worth fighting for, but you must fight for yourself, and wake up and realize these things.
Don't let your past mistakes control you, don't let others ridicule you, break free and be what you already are, which is love.
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Kind of makes you feel like we're living in a simulated reality / computer program, right?
I believe this.
The only truth is the eternal, wherein lies the complete resolve.
The linear time tract is just the self stretched to traverse itself, drip fed, for its own understanding.
All of that is correct, but still there is the challenge of the material world, a test of worthiness which equals eternity when well understood and succeeded by enough souls to be continuous.
And Fennario is comprehensive when redundantly identifying love as vital. Love is the guiding force from the deepest point in our unconscious mind.
Edited by ChristopherABrown (08/13/16 11:54 AM)
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23538726 - 08/13/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Absolutely, people in the future are beaming back a message and a warning, as the case may be. I can personally attest to this having been subjected to just this kind of thing.
edit - no pal, it's no dream, it's not a conspiracy, it's not your imagination, when it happens 50 years in advance. and please, suck it up and face that fact. quit apologizing.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23539274 - 08/13/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The arrow of time points in one direction !
Unless you reside outside the bounds of time, there is 'going back'. Furthermore, there is no 'partial going back'. Given the connectedness of space-time, you would literally have to 'rewind the whole shebang' which includes a future contextual frame that someone resides in 'beaming' the info back. As such, It's implausible in the core sense of understanding of all of science (maybe yet to be discovered science) and serves as the thoughts of a species that doesn't quite get the universe yet.
That being said. Hindsight is 20/20. Why is hindsight 20/20? Given the connectedness of things, It is easy to string together coincidence (after-the-fact). I'll outline this for the case you presented.
New York is held as the pinnacle of the U.S's might. Within that pinnacle was another pinnacle : The towers. As such, they were popular and referenced a lot. Given that they were referenced a lot, the probability of coincidence goes up.
To illustrate... I blind fold you, and tell you to pick out of a jar of jellybeans. I fill the jar with 100 red, 10 green, and 10 blue jelly beans. You are unaware of this. You stick your hand in and pick up out a jelly bean. I remove the jar from sight. You take off your blind fold and discover more often than not as we repeat this that you pick a red jelly bean.
As there are a larger number of red jelly beans, there is a higher probability that you will choose one..
As the towers were referenced a lot, there was a high degree of probability that they would coincide with something. Also, if you go looking hard enough, you're going to find a 'weird' coincidence. The thing to note is : It's (hard) to find weird coincidences as they are by definition not highly probable. So, imagine the 100s of billions of times the towers are referenced over the span of a 3 year window and boom : you only come up with a handful of 'weird' coincidences. Do you see why this is expected and not actually out of the norm?
So, you take the 9/11 time traveling information thesis away and you get to your main commentary which is interesting... But yeah, opposed to what sci-fi movies have cooked up and even some prominent scientist in their older years posit, there is no 'going back in time' for things bound to it.
There is a lack of understanding of what space-time is.
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As for your main comments : Yes, a lot of sci-fi is inspired by if not exact copies of various religious text/stories/tales/lessons/proverbs. The stories have been told over and over again across the spans of time. History doesn't repeat. Rather, it echos. And so.... every generation has a 'telling of the stories' of a time past in an ever increasing variety.
It should cause one to chuckle as many of the enlightened people who pen these modern tellings and many of the fans of sci-fi swear religion is ignorant dogma .. Yet, it underlies the very basis of the works that are penned and enjoyed.
i.e : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsemen_of_Apocalypse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Apocalypse
So yeah... there were alot of stories and tales that were written thousands of years ago which should have caused man to take heed ...
Yet, the spiral continues ..
 As it was meant to.
There is no going back or information beaming from the future... The important warnings came from past.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: iiilil]
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That Rockefeller wanted the WTC twins but the public voted them down 3 times and that Guiliani took the WTC documents in violation of NYS F.O.I.L. laws before NIST attempted a lawful analysis relating to 3,000 murders without building plans, including 27 something mentions of the date including accurate depictions years and weeks before the event, makes your scenario irrelevant to the topic as it is based in statistics, and incomplete as well.
No matter the notariety of buildings that were the tallest in the world.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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ChristopherABrown said: That Rockefeller wanted the WTC twins but the public voted them down 3 times and that Guiliani took the WTC documents in violation of NYS F.O.I.L. laws before NIST attempted a lawful analysis relating to 3,000 murders without building plans, including 27 something mentions of the date including accurate depictions years and weeks before the event, makes your scenario irrelevant to the topic as it is based in statistics, and incomplete as well.
No matter the notariety of buildings that were the tallest in the world.
Hindsight is 20/20. All of the fact digging and references you can pull in hindsight did nothing to prevent the event from happening... It never will as the arrow of time points in one direction. That should tell you something profound : It's going to be what its going to be.
Maybe, 100 years from now, more details will be released and 3 generations later, people will do just what people do now to 'historic precedence' : Dam, people did what back then? That's crazy ... That'll never happen again. Until it does because no one feels it will ever happen again. Then the cycle starts all over again and again.
And the spiral continues and the clock keeps ticking...
If it was prevented, it would have been a non-event and thus not remembered or looked at in hindsight. All of the coincidental 9/11 references that existed up until 9/11 would have suddenly been nullified. You wouldn't be sitting here analyzing with a fine tooth comb : Dam, you remember 9/11 that never happened? No, because it didn't happen...
Shit, in the matrix there was a reference to that date and there was a reference here too and there and when you call 9-1-1 it's an emergency.... That's fine, but nothing happened.
Coincidence doesn't occur in non-existence.
So, yeah.. Look at what has been publicly released about the wild shit done generations ago.. There's enough of it to fill football fields.
You don't see people out in the streets even though present day forms of it are all around? Again, that should tell you something....
It's going to be what its going to be. It's hard to accept at first but then a calm comes over you.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: iiilil]
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ChristopherABrown said: That Rockefeller wanted the WTC twins but the public voted them down 3 times and that Guiliani took the WTC documents in violation of NYS F.O.I.L. laws before NIST attempted a lawful analysis relating to 3,000 murders without building plans, including 27 something mentions of the date including accurate depictions years and weeks before the event, makes your scenario irrelevant to the topic as it is based in statistics, and incomplete as well.
No matter the notariety of buildings that were the tallest in the world.
Hindsight is 20/20. All of the fact digging and references you can pull in hindsight did nothing to prevent the event from happening... It never will as the arrow of time points in one direction. That should tell you something profound : It's going to be what its going to be.
Maybe, 100 years from now, more details will be released and 3 generations later, people will do just what people do now to 'historic precedence' : Dam, people did what back then? That's crazy ... That'll never happen again. Until it does because no one feels it will ever happen again. Then the cycle starts all over again and again.
And the spiral continues and the clock keeps ticking...
If it was prevented, it would have been a non-event and thus not remembered or looked at in hindsight. All of the coincidental 9/11 references that existed up until 9/11 would have suddenly been nullified. You wouldn't be sitting here analyzing with a fine tooth comb : Dam, you remember 9/11 that never happened? No, because it didn't happen...
Shit, in the matrix there was a reference to that date and there was a reference here too and there and when you call 9-1-1 it's an emergency.... That's fine, but nothing happened.
Coincidence doesn't occur in non-existence.
So, yeah.. Look at what has been publicly released about the wild shit done generations ago.. There's enough of it to fill football fields.
You don't see people out in the streets even though present day forms of it are all around? Again, that should tell you something....
It's going to be what its going to be. It's hard to accept at first but then a calm comes over you.
Written as if we know everything about the mind and because we can chain cognitive distortions of all or nothing thinking together until reason is defied, we are actually competent at making facts disappear. Even without those dishonest tactics the facts are still there no matter what you tried to forget the alarm was set for.
And my phone got pinged so hard trying to make this comment that shroomery disappeared for a whole minute and my phone ended up in yesterday's history. Big fish trying to make the plankton go away.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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iiilil said:
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ChristopherABrown said: That Rockefeller wanted the WTC twins but the public voted them down 3 times and that Guiliani took the WTC documents in violation of NYS F.O.I.L. laws before NIST attempted a lawful analysis relating to 3,000 murders without building plans, including 27 something mentions of the date including accurate depictions years and weeks before the event, makes your scenario irrelevant to the topic as it is based in statistics, and incomplete as well.
No matter the notariety of buildings that were the tallest in the world.
Hindsight is 20/20. All of the fact digging and references you can pull in hindsight did nothing to prevent the event from happening... It never will as the arrow of time points in one direction. That should tell you something profound : It's going to be what its going to be.
Maybe, 100 years from now, more details will be released and 3 generations later, people will do just what people do now to 'historic precedence' : Dam, people did what back then? That's crazy ... That'll never happen again. Until it does because no one feels it will ever happen again. Then the cycle starts all over again and again.
And the spiral continues and the clock keeps ticking...
If it was prevented, it would have been a non-event and thus not remembered or looked at in hindsight. All of the coincidental 9/11 references that existed up until 9/11 would have suddenly been nullified. You wouldn't be sitting here analyzing with a fine tooth comb : Dam, you remember 9/11 that never happened? No, because it didn't happen...
Shit, in the matrix there was a reference to that date and there was a reference here too and there and when you call 9-1-1 it's an emergency.... That's fine, but nothing happened.
Coincidence doesn't occur in non-existence.
So, yeah.. Look at what has been publicly released about the wild shit done generations ago.. There's enough of it to fill football fields.
You don't see people out in the streets even though present day forms of it are all around? Again, that should tell you something....
It's going to be what its going to be. It's hard to accept at first but then a calm comes over you.
Written as if we know everything about the mind and because we can chain cognitive distortions of all or nothing thinking together until reason is defied, we are actually competent at making facts disappear. Even without those dishonest tactics the facts are still there no matter what you tried to forget the alarm was set for.
And my phone got pinged so hard trying to make this comment that shroomery disappeared for a whole minute and my phone ended up in yesterday's history. Big fish trying to make the plankton go away.
Welp, you seem to have your mind made up. As you were.....
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: iiilil]
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iiilil said: Welp, you seem to have your mind made up. As you were…..
Interesting, a phrase used in the military.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: iiilil]
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iiilil said: All of the fact digging and references you can pull in hindsight did nothing to prevent the event from happening... It never will as the arrow of time points in one direction. That should tell you something profound : It's going to be what its going to be.
Basing your conclusion on a vague cognitive distortion regarding time as if there was only one measure of it, renders the conclusion invalid.
The arrow of time in the material world points in one direction, but the spiritual world of the energy and knowledge of the ether knows no such limits, while tomorrow has not happened in the material world yet.
Accordingly, with information from the future warning us of disaster tomorrow, we can change the material world today, and tomorrow will be very different than you thought it might be yesterday.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23552993 - 08/18/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here, at this link, we can see an anonymous group of people refusing to use logic, that appear to be supporting mass murder and treason. Both of which could lead to war, which goes directly against life, and could easily be seen as a path to extinction.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23552940#23552940
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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You are referring to 'backwards causation,' and I was introduced to this concept by parapsychologist/Egyptologist Bob Brier ("Mr. Mummy") when he was my philosophy professor back in the 1970s. This is one of his books: https://www.amazon.com/Precognition-philosophy-science-backward-causation/dp/0391003259/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1471654187&sr=8-1&keywords=backwards+causation%2C+brier We discussed the possibility in his Phillosophy & Parapsychology class of being warned by someone in the future. Bob worked with the 'Father of Parapsychology' J.B. Rhine at Duke University, and co-published with the man. His course was immensely popular during the 70s.
Another book (I think Brier cites this) is https://www.amazon.com/Space-Time-Richard-Swinburne/dp/0333086031/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1471654468&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=richard+swineburne%2C+space+and+time
The Unconscious from Jung's perspective is a transcendental reality which means that it is 'above' or 'beyond' time rather than "shared" by the spacio-temporal domain (since space cannot be separated from time). My own take on the timelessness of the Unconscious is supported by my work as a hypnotherapist where I see traumas from years or decades earlier that are still highly energetic autonomous psychic contents, lodged as it were in the Unconscious and still effecting people with negative symptoms. My additional understanding of timelessness has been expanded by Ken Wilbur who pointed out how the notions of Unconsciousness and Superconsciousness have been conflated in classic sources like yoga texts. Additionally, Jung did NOT believe in a Superconscious (he refused to visit Ramana Maharshi when in India, dismissing the man with the words "I know the type"). Sri Ramana would have trashed Jung's theory because Jung maintained that one loses consciousness to the extent that one transcends consciousness (see Jung's preface to Evans-Wentz's The Tibetan Book of the Great Liberation).
Why is all this important? Because from a perspective that transcends Consciousness as well as Unconsciousness, Superconsciousness lends human perspective a view sub specie æternitatis ('under the aspect of eternity'). This is like comparing the flow of time to a bumper-to-bumper traffic jam where one can only see a little bit of the past in one's rear-view mirrors, but even less through the front windshield into the future. However, a position sub specie æternitatus gives one the perspective of sitting high above the 'time-line' in a helicopter. From there, one can see the entire process from a position outside of time with no boundaries caused from being locked into the limited perspective of being in a car where one's temporal perspective is divided up into the slowly moving present divided from rear and front, past and present. Someone in the past might need to experience the Eternal Present in order to receive a warning from someone in his future who is also outside of time. These two people might be like the twin electrons in quantum entanglement theory, which influence one another at such great distances that their simultaneous actions show that their actions transcends time (because there's no time-lag so the action transcends light-speed and hence cause-effect). Just a few thoughts on your thoughtful post.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said: You are referring to 'backwards causation,' and I was introduced to this concept by parapsychologist/Egyptologist Bob Brier ("Mr. Mummy") when he was my philosophy professor back in the 1970s. This is one of his books: https://www.amazon.com/Precognition-philosophy-science-backward-causation/dp/0391003259/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1471654187&sr=8-1&keywords=backwards+causation%2C+brier We discussed the possibility in his Phillosophy & Parapsychology class of being warned by someone in the future. Bob worked with the 'Father of Parapsychology' J.B. Rhine at Duke University, and co-published with the man. His course was immensely popular during the 70s.
Another book (I think Brier cites this) is https://www.amazon.com/Space-Time-Richard-Swinburne/dp/0333086031/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1471654468&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=richard+swineburne%2C+space+and+time
The Unconscious from Jung's perspective is a transcendental reality which means that it is 'above' or 'beyond' time rather than "shared" by the spacio-temporal domain (since space cannot be separated from time). My own take on the timelessness of the Unconscious is supported by my work as a hypnotherapist where I see traumas from years or decades earlier that are still highly energetic autonomous psychic contents, lodged as it were in the Unconscious and still effecting people with negative symptoms. My additional understanding of timelessness has been expanded by Ken Wilbur who pointed out how the notions of Unconsciousness and Superconsciousness have been conflated in classic sources like yoga texts. Additionally, Jung did NOT believe in a Superconscious (he refused to visit Ramana Maharshi when in India, dismissing the man with the words "I know the type"). Sri Ramana would have trashed Jung's theory because Jung maintained that one loses consciousness to the extent that one transcends consciousness (see Jung's preface to Evans-Wentz's The Tibetan Book of the Great Liberation).
Why is all this important? Because from a perspective that transcends Consciousness as well as Unconsciousness, Superconsciousness lends human perspective a view sub specie æternitatis ('under the aspect of eternity'). This is like comparing the flow of time to a bumper-to-bumper traffic jam where one can only see a little bit of the past in one's rear-view mirrors, but even less through the front windshield into the future. However, a position sub specie æternitatus gives one the perspective of sitting high above the 'time-line' in a helicopter. From there, one can see the entire process from a position outside of time with no boundaries caused from being locked into the limited perspective of being in a car where one's temporal perspective is divided up into the slowly moving present divided from rear and front, past and present. Someone in the past might need to experience the Eternal Present in order to receive a warning from someone in his future who is also outside of time. These two people might be like the twin electrons in quantum entanglement theory, which influence one another at such great distances that their simultaneous actions show that their actions transcends time (because there's no time-lag so the action transcends light-speed and hence cause-effect). Just a few thoughts on your thoughtful post. 
The perspective on the Jungian refusal to entertain Superconsciousness is very interesting and enlightening as to the clash of personalities developed around labeling.
Your analogy is very good. There is a perspective afforded by ancient spiritualists that resolves the issue nicely.
Ancient indigenous people, and Sri Ramana was descended from such, had a concept called "the oneness". The oneness is a realm of intentions on its first and most universal level, outside of time. Sri Ramana was faced with western rejection of the ancient terms and was caught up in a labeling contest in order to distinguish the ability to bring/send or communicate forward or backwards in time.
The oneness, because of its basis in intention, if the individual intentions are high enough to justify dissolving the limits of time with the ability of perception, hence the appropriateness of the helicopter analogy in seeing over the traffic in time. The intent, which creates eternity necessarily is outside of time. The absolute ness of existence mandates that and a higher purpose (of twin electrons) IF any perception/appreciation of the universe is to exist.
A very curious sensation is remembered.
When I first saw the long list of films having 9/11 in them that were all created before 9/11. I had a feeing that somehow I would know HOW such was possible. Eleven years later the pieces fell into place. But, there is more to it that the OP does not share.
Our existence is about knowledge. There a a struggle going on between the margins of life on the edge of knowingness, and we carry that DNA, so the struggle is within us. It is not the inability to cognit, it is the unwillingness. Pure experience is valued over the thought or memory of experience. I've seen this in this forum! Where there is a lack or unwillingness to differentiate between the two.
This breaks down to a disdain for memory by an element of the unconscious collective. That element started 2,000 years ago to try and remove human kinds ability to keep knowledge of itself in its own mind with each generation ALSO having a mechanism to be outside of time with the essence of experience.
Oral histories kept by the use of very deep trances states such as somnambulism had telepathic qualities were not only descriptions of the material past shared, the feelings of those from the past were also carried by bearers. This created massive, widespread intent to survive and evolve.
The only acceptable knowledge was relegated to books and material forms. This made the unacceptable knowledge easy to destroy. This was first accomplished by the very disturbing practice of burning people, then graduated to the less disturbing practice of burning books.
Now, . . . knowledge is descending to a level, if we accept and allow it, of being prevented from surfacing in our material experiential existence at the press of a button. It is relegated to the level of the existence of electrons cycling or imprinted upon matter with the quasi timeless properties of gold enabling the recordation and reading!
Herein the etherial struggle between knowingness and unknowingness becomes current and knowable. Apple vs. Microsoft and the federal reserve act show a concerted effort to minimize and control the knowledge keeping ability of the people, as well as the ability to act upon it, for the purposes of maximizing the number of life forms OVER the quality of the lives they experience.
This position reeks of an inability to appreciate the experience of love as a quality and an eternal guidance mechanism creating decisions empowering eternity.
I hope you understand this and how it it is at the basis of a very material but spiritual action that we humans can now knowingly embark upon to return the keeping of knowledge to our unconscious spiritual existence to run alongside the material keeping of knowledge and the widespread ability to take action upon it. Sort of like this post intends to inspire.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
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I do not agree with you that there is a disdain for memory over immediate experience. This is an age of people with selfie-sticks and posting insipidly stupid things on Facebook like the plate of food they're about to eat. And what about the zillions of banal photographs for 'posterity.' Where in this culture do you see a disdain for recording, on electronic media, for the sake of memory? I regret not having a bit more of a photographic history of my life, but whether I was attending a Grateful Dead show, tripping in Bryce Canyon, or watching bolides explode during the Perseid meteor shower from geothermal pool in Yellowstone, I was there to experience it all directly for its immediate transformation of ME, over and against recording the events for merely nostalgic purposes in some indeterminate future time.
I prefer reading books, writing notes in margins even if I never open the book again because one learns at a deeper level by taking notes. My copious underlining is a type of discipline. Sorry if I don't see the Federal reserve bank as hindering my acquisition of knowledge, and our Apple products, if anything, Greatly facilitate our knowledge-gathering capabilities. The Internet is the greatest boon to my generation - it's the 'Magic Mirror' I saw on Romper Room when I was in my single digit ages!
Lastly, of knowledge, there is a difference between epistemé and gnosis, which divides the material from the spiritual domain as the former is empirical, the latter experiential. If there is a "struggle" going on, it's the constant attempts on the part of materialist to reduce transcendental verities to intellectually comprehensible datum. The finitude of the specifically human mind cannot comprehend the Infinite as the human mind derives from the Infinite Mind, and the derivative is always inferior to That from which it derives. The Creator is superior to the creation.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said: I do not agree with you that there is a disdain for memory over immediate experience. This is an age of people with selfie-sticks and posting insipidly stupid things on Facebook like the plate of food they're about to eat. And what about the zillions of banal photographs for 'posterity.' Where in this culture do you see a disdain for recording, on electronic media, for the sake of memory? I regret not having a bit more of a photographic history of my life, but whether I was attending a Grateful Dead show, tripping in Bryce Canyon, or watching bolides explode during the Perseid meteor shower from geothermal pool in Yellowstone, I was there to experience it all directly for its immediate transformation of ME, over and against recording the events for merely nostalgic purposes in some indeterminate future time.
I prefer reading books, writing notes in margins even if I never open the book again because one learns at a deeper level by taking notes. My copious underlining is a type of discipline. Sorry if I don't see the Federal reserve bank as hindering my acquisition of knowledge, and our Apple products, if anything, Greatly facilitate our knowledge-gathering capabilities. The Internet is the greatest boon to my generation - it's the 'Magic Mirror' I saw on Romper Room when I was in my single digit ages!
Lastly, of knowledge, there is a difference between epistemé and gnosis, which divides the material from the spiritual domain as the former is empirical, the latter experiential. If there is a "struggle" going on, it's the constant attempts on the part of materialist to reduce transcendental verities to intellectually comprehensible datum. The finitude of the specifically human mind cannot comprehend the Infinite as the human mind derives from the Infinite Mind, and the derivative is always inferior to That from which it derives. The Creator is superior to the creation.
Sorry, I didn't explain it was redandgreenvine and orgone conclusion I think that were trying to say memories and perceptional experiences were essentially the same, not that one was disdained.
That was in the ego universe thread.
Apple was forced to compete unfairly because of the decision in Apple Vs Microsoft. It really screwed up a good thing and their machines are not as functional in some ways today than 15 years ago. Certainly abandoning a bunch of cool software hurt users quite a bit, and they only did it because windows was competing. Without the decision of the us district court ignoring the contract between Apple and Microsoft, there would be no windows.
I remember numerous friends who wanted to go onto forums and argue for the truth of 9/11 but they were too afraid of losing data from getting pinged, crashing or getting sent a virus on their PC.
I only know a couple of people running Linux, who are also fairly advanced, who've not lost all of their data on a PC.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23563003 - 08/21/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I remember numerous friends who wanted to go onto forums and argue for the truth of 9/11 but they were too afraid of losing data from getting pinged, crashing or getting sent a virus on their PC.
This seems to be very paranoid, and yet, after I posted on my one-time blog a question about what the Coca-Cola industry did with all the cocaine that it extracts from its rather secret coca plantation in Hawaii (if you look at a pharmacy bottle of Coca-Cola syrup, it reads "extractives from coca leaves (cocaine removed)." A day or so later, my entire blog disappeared from the internet. For a while I was able to find a couple of articles but even they eventually vanished. So, I don't know what happened. Just as opium was stockpiled in caves at some point for distribution should there be a nuclear war, I surmised that cocaine may have been similarly stockpiled. Although I may have also suggested that the CIA used cocaine as currency. For all I know, Coca-Cola is just a by-product of cocaine extraction that becomes a secondary source of income rather than the point of the poisonous high-fructose beverage.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#23564327 - 08/21/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/the-constitution/the-declaration-of-independence-full-transcript/
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MarkostheGnostic said: I remember numerous friends who wanted to go onto forums and argue for the truth of 9/11 but they were too afraid of losing data from getting pinged, crashing or getting sent a virus on their PC.
This seems to be very paranoid,
That's what I thought.
But the infiltration of government worked hard after seeing the taking of the global usenet to make people afraid. That's what the whole internet stalker thing and anonymity thing is about.
That looked too wimpy so people started to regard it as "edgy". OMG! Fraudulent Americans in effort to avoid shame.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23568594 - 08/23/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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every word you read is part of a message from your perfected self.
now is the only moment of existence, past and future are illusions.
freedom is the ability to do the wrong thing and not be perfect now.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: nothing exists]
#23573652 - 08/24/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nothing exists said: every word you read is part of a message from your perfected self.
now is the only moment of existence, past and future are illusions.
freedom is the ability to do the wrong thing and not be perfect now.
Okay, but acting now according to the information of a dream coming from descendants then, in the future, may easily be the way to find the time for developing perfection.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Lucis]
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#23578618 - 08/26/16 05:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23578671 - 08/26/16 06:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The past and future have already happened, or they both conjoin to create the moment - this is the only reason we were able to come back from the future, I guess just to warn ourselves of which will inevitably happen anyway? How is telling us this going to help or save us in anyway? If the future has already happened, and we destroy ourselves to nuclear war, I guess the few humans that evolved and traveled back in time are able to actively create reality and shape the future, which would seem logical for a space and time traveling being - this means we definitely already have destroyed ourselves in an alternate, parallel universe but in this instance, we can save ourselves by being in an instance of time where we have finally found ourselves after searching the limitless galaxies, who knows how many eons or how many times we have continuously destroyed ourselves which we already have in the past/future in an alternate reality - but as an "older" or more "evolved" instance of being it would make sense that we have already destroyed ourselves, and now we are coming back to save ourselves, how many planets, how many times will we do this though?
Lol! All the random "Alien" species are just sub species of US humans which developed over time and have different characteristics because of the many limitless other worlds there are to inhabit, and the many times we have destroyed ourselves as the few who survived evolved and potentially moved to other planets and developed into what they are today.
This hasn't been too prelevant in our current history because we have just now reached technological and conscious advancement to understand it.
What if all of what I said is real? Anything is possible
Just think if you went back in time to 2001 9/11 in the US, and were telling everyone you were from the future and people were going to fly into the twin towers, nobody would believe you and it would still happen right? So I'm afraid nobody believes in us in the end, the world won't believe in themselves before we destroy ourselves. So really what would be the point in coming back to tell ourselves we destroy ourselves? Maybe in some instance when spiritual advancement passes technological advancement is the day we will succeed as a species.
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Edited by Eclipse3130 (08/26/16 06:22 AM)
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Eclipse3130] 1
#23578704 - 08/26/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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My Nkondi and I have put out a trail of breadcrumbs backwards in time, in my dreams and drug induced visions, that lead me to knowing where to go.
Know that "if only I had a time machine I would warn myself"?
I did just that, from early childhood onward.
I got a road map. I'm on a need to know basis but I got a road map.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Asante]
#23578713 - 08/26/16 06:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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My running theory is 2020 will be the inevitable turning point, global consciousness has been rapidly expanding since 2012,and 2016 has been the biggest year yet of conscious expansion. I'd say it's a safe bet between light and dark, consciousness vs beliefs. The objective nature of reality vs the human construct of meaning of reality based through religion and superstition of God(s) will be the underlying battle, we came back from the future to warn ourselves, for the who knows how many times we've already done this, in this particular instance we may very well be able to succeed as a spiritual advancement, or blow ourselves down from nuclear war.
The war right now is on consciousness, and it's the government vs the people, we must take over, we must win. Or we will all destroy ourselves to nuclear war. But shit, let's do it again right? I think it's safe to say we've never fully evolved spiritually as a species, we are in the process of re-remembering or reawakening to who we truly are. I have had many 2020 visions.
It's easy to predict where the future may go, because all instances have already happened, but there's something that makes this instance different, the population may be conscious enough to save ourselves? Time will tell
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23578741 - 08/26/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It could go even deeper than that, the government(few really at the top) could be a small sub species of aliens(bad ones) who are trying to control and harvest human energy for their own growth and satisfaction, the good aliens can't interfere as it will cause an inevitable outburst of chaos in religion and they know this, but they can warn us individually to the conscious and awake(which they are doing) once the negative entities have harnessed all they need they will destroy all humans(gov) I think our only option is to revolt ASAP. And us from the future is trying to warn us presently. I'm gonna start setting churches on fire. NOW is the only time to act!
Get awakened, Only the strong survive. Most likely there will be inevitable nuclear war, it's okay though if you are conscious enough you will be rescued and saved via space craft. It's why NASA released the newly discovered Earth planet, that's where we will be going. The workers at NASA are actually receiving extraterrestrial help in this regard. All mistakes are in the past, we could be coming back to haunt us, at the same time coming from the future to save us, and that's the inevitable duality of good vs evil is past vs future. To be better than the day before. We may haunt ourselves from our past, but our light is always in the future.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23579291 - 08/26/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: The past and future have already happened, or they both conjoin to create the moment - this is the only reason we were able to come back from the future, I guess just to warn ourselves of which will inevitably happen anyway? How is telling us this going to help or save us in anyway? If the future has already happened, and we destroy ourselves to nuclear war, I guess the few humans that evolved and traveled back in time are able to actively create reality and shape the future, which would seem logical for a space and time traveling being - this means we definitely already have destroyed ourselves in an alternate, parallel universe but in this instance, we can save ourselves by being in an instance of time where we have finally found ourselves after searching the limitless galaxies, who knows how many eons or how many times we have continuously destroyed ourselves which we already have in the past/future in an alternate reality - but as an "older" or more "evolved" instance of being it would make sense that we have already destroyed ourselves, and now we are coming back to save ourselves, how many planets, how many times will we do this though?
Lol! All the random "Alien" species are just sub species of US humans which developed over time and have different characteristics because of the many limitless other worlds there are to inhabit, and the many times we have destroyed ourselves as the few who survived evolved and potentially moved to other planets and developed into what they are today.
This hasn't been too prelevant in our current history because we have just now reached technological and conscious advancement to understand it.
What if all of what I said is real? Anything is possible
Just think if you went back in time to 2001 9/11 in the US, and were telling everyone you were from the future and people were going to fly into the twin towers, nobody would believe you and it would still happen right? So I'm afraid nobody believes in us in the end, the world won't believe in themselves before we destroy ourselves. So really what would be the point in coming back to tell ourselves we destroy ourselves? Maybe in some instance when spiritual advancement passes technological advancement is the day we will succeed as a species.
Fairly hard to argue with that. It has as much possibility as many other things.
My point, which I so far have not made here yet is that there is an action which has nothing to do with 9/11 can completely alter the effects of 9/11 and stop that war.
It is essentially belief in the clarity of vision into our long term needs that the framers of the documents making America had. The gained much vision from the Indigenous a American people who had many spiritual visionaries. Their society worked extensively with the unconscious mind which has linkage to the past and future.
That linkage allowed philosophical structure that prevails over all dogma in favor of decision to action that enables the continuity of life.
By returning to the past and trying to warn of 9/11 before it happens would have exactly the results you describe. However, by working in the present before the war happens using the widely accepted and appreciated, albeit under used law of the constitution, the desired effect can be gained.
Allowing the beginning of acts of self destruction does not guarantee they will complete. This is the nature of time in the matrix. There are nodes in the matrix which last dozens of our lifetimes, and any decision leading to mass action can have a profound effect. Going to the past and mentioning 9/11 before it happens may invoke the same dejection as trying to socially approach it after it has happened.
The issue is really that the people choosing the path leading to 9/11 have lost sight of the beauty and promise of eternity in the present and are fixated upon the deficiencies of the present. So by not mentioning 9/11 and simply investing in the historical acceptability and promise of manifesting the intent of Americas founding documents, simply picks up the intent of the framers and the Indigenous visionaries of the past before the continuous vision of the future before being obscured by the emptiness.
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Edited by ChristopherABrown (08/26/16 10:25 AM)
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23579553 - 08/26/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Prior to our coming to Earth around 18,000,000 years ago, we inhabited the planet Maldek which we destroyed through atomic explosion. This being the case, each and every one of us is from another planet – Maldek. What remains of the physical structure of this planet is now the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.
Sometimes advanced extraterrestrials from the higher vibratory planes of other planets in this Solar System cause a part of their consciousness to be born on Earth in order to help mankind in certain ways. These beings are known as Cosmic Avatars, and include Masters such as Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Confucius, Lao Zi, Moses and St Peter. When their mission is completed, they leave Earth. It should be stressed that they do not need to be born on Earth, as we do, in order to gain experience. They are born here purely in self-sacrifice due to their great compassion in order to help us. They are, without exception, outstanding individuals who lead extraordinary lives and make an extraordinary contribution to mankind’s advancement.
It would only make sense that we have destroyed ourselves multiple times. But now may be the time where we really have the chance consciously to exceed
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23580714 - 08/26/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: Prior to our coming to Earth around 18,000,000 years ago, we inhabited the planet Maldek which we destroyed through atomic explosion. This being the case, each and every one of us is from another planet – Maldek. What remains of the physical structure of this planet is now the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.
Sometimes advanced extraterrestrials from the higher vibratory planes of other planets in this Solar System cause a part of their consciousness to be born on Earth in order to help mankind in certain ways. These beings are known as Cosmic Avatars, and include Masters such as Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Confucius, Lao Zi, Moses and St Peter. When their mission is completed, they leave Earth. It should be stressed that they do not need to be born on Earth, as we do, in order to gain experience. They are born here purely in self-sacrifice due to their great compassion in order to help us. They are, without exception, outstanding individuals who lead extraordinary lives and make an extraordinary contribution to mankind’s advancement.
It would only make sense that we have destroyed ourselves multiple times. But now may be the time where we really have the chance consciously to exceed
Very interesting post that I've researched some (Ramtha) and found them quite consistent within the general meaning of such propositions of our far past and the origins of our species.
Most importantly the focus upon nuclear weapons as the anti evolutionary element. And there is some history and geologic findings consistent with nuclear fission.
I've considered another account, more specific to earths potential past including the two continents of Lemuria and Atlantis. The local Indigenous people had a village called "Le Mu Wu" on the western side of the Santa Barbara islands. Also were found tools and spears of stone identical to those made by the Ainu of Mokkaido.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23581459 - 08/26/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: Prior to our coming to Earth around 18,000,000 years ago, we inhabited the planet Maldek which we destroyed through atomic explosion. This being the case, each and every one of us is from another planet – Maldek. What remains of the physical structure of this planet is now the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.
Sometimes advanced extraterrestrials from the higher vibratory planes of other planets in this Solar System cause a part of their consciousness to be born on Earth in order to help mankind in certain ways. These beings are known as Cosmic Avatars, and include Masters such as Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Confucius, Lao Zi, Moses and St Peter. When their mission is completed, they leave Earth. It should be stressed that they do not need to be born on Earth, as we do, in order to gain experience. They are born here purely in self-sacrifice due to their great compassion in order to help us. They are, without exception, outstanding individuals who lead extraordinary lives and make an extraordinary contribution to mankind’s advancement.
It would only make sense that we have destroyed ourselves multiple times. But now may be the time where we really have the chance consciously to exceed
We need lower negative interest rates. How else can we grow, but with less than zero growth?
Think about it.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23613095 - 09/04/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Who here heard the reports from NYC of Muslim school children walking past the Twin Towers and saying to others referring to the Towers, "Those are not going to be there later"?
Here is one report. This one I had not heard of until now trying to find record of the others.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3067562/t/chilling-tale/
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23646198 - 09/14/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Janus (or whatever this African figure is called, which either derives or is derived from Janus, from Roman mythology)

is an interesting perspective and symbol for this feature of dreaming back from the future.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23650053 - 09/16/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: Janus (or whatever this African figure is called, which either derives or is derived from Janus, from Roman mythology)

is an interesting perspective and symbol for this feature of dreaming back from the future.
Is there any history on that figure? Date? Interesting and possible. African tribes have mystics and seers that may reach into the unconscious collective to defy time.
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