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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23540154 - 08/14/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ChristopherABrown said: That Rockefeller wanted the WTC twins but the public voted them down 3 times and that Guiliani took the WTC documents in violation of NYS F.O.I.L. laws before NIST attempted a lawful analysis relating to 3,000 murders without building plans, including 27 something mentions of the date including accurate depictions years and weeks before the event, makes your scenario irrelevant to the topic as it is based in statistics, and incomplete as well.
No matter the notariety of buildings that were the tallest in the world.
Hindsight is 20/20. All of the fact digging and references you can pull in hindsight did nothing to prevent the event from happening... It never will as the arrow of time points in one direction. That should tell you something profound : It's going to be what its going to be.
Maybe, 100 years from now, more details will be released and 3 generations later, people will do just what people do now to 'historic precedence' : Dam, people did what back then? That's crazy ... That'll never happen again. Until it does because no one feels it will ever happen again. Then the cycle starts all over again and again.
And the spiral continues and the clock keeps ticking...
If it was prevented, it would have been a non-event and thus not remembered or looked at in hindsight. All of the coincidental 9/11 references that existed up until 9/11 would have suddenly been nullified. You wouldn't be sitting here analyzing with a fine tooth comb : Dam, you remember 9/11 that never happened? No, because it didn't happen...
Shit, in the matrix there was a reference to that date and there was a reference here too and there and when you call 9-1-1 it's an emergency.... That's fine, but nothing happened.
Coincidence doesn't occur in non-existence.
So, yeah.. Look at what has been publicly released about the wild shit done generations ago.. There's enough of it to fill football fields.
You don't see people out in the streets even though present day forms of it are all around? Again, that should tell you something....
It's going to be what its going to be. It's hard to accept at first but then a calm comes over you.
Written as if we know everything about the mind and because we can chain cognitive distortions of all or nothing thinking together until reason is defied, we are actually competent at making facts disappear. Even without those dishonest tactics the facts are still there no matter what you tried to forget the alarm was set for.
And my phone got pinged so hard trying to make this comment that shroomery disappeared for a whole minute and my phone ended up in yesterday's history. Big fish trying to make the plankton go away.
Welp, you seem to have your mind made up. As you were.....
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: iiilil]
#23540227 - 08/14/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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iiilil said: Welp, you seem to have your mind made up. As you were…..
Interesting, a phrase used in the military.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: iiilil]
#23552911 - 08/18/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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iiilil said: All of the fact digging and references you can pull in hindsight did nothing to prevent the event from happening... It never will as the arrow of time points in one direction. That should tell you something profound : It's going to be what its going to be.
Basing your conclusion on a vague cognitive distortion regarding time as if there was only one measure of it, renders the conclusion invalid.
The arrow of time in the material world points in one direction, but the spiritual world of the energy and knowledge of the ether knows no such limits, while tomorrow has not happened in the material world yet.
Accordingly, with information from the future warning us of disaster tomorrow, we can change the material world today, and tomorrow will be very different than you thought it might be yesterday.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23552993 - 08/18/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here, at this link, we can see an anonymous group of people refusing to use logic, that appear to be supporting mass murder and treason. Both of which could lead to war, which goes directly against life, and could easily be seen as a path to extinction.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23552940#23552940
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23557998 - 08/19/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You are referring to 'backwards causation,' and I was introduced to this concept by parapsychologist/Egyptologist Bob Brier ("Mr. Mummy") when he was my philosophy professor back in the 1970s. This is one of his books: https://www.amazon.com/Precognition-philosophy-science-backward-causation/dp/0391003259/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1471654187&sr=8-1&keywords=backwards+causation%2C+brier We discussed the possibility in his Phillosophy & Parapsychology class of being warned by someone in the future. Bob worked with the 'Father of Parapsychology' J.B. Rhine at Duke University, and co-published with the man. His course was immensely popular during the 70s.
Another book (I think Brier cites this) is https://www.amazon.com/Space-Time-Richard-Swinburne/dp/0333086031/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1471654468&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=richard+swineburne%2C+space+and+time
The Unconscious from Jung's perspective is a transcendental reality which means that it is 'above' or 'beyond' time rather than "shared" by the spacio-temporal domain (since space cannot be separated from time). My own take on the timelessness of the Unconscious is supported by my work as a hypnotherapist where I see traumas from years or decades earlier that are still highly energetic autonomous psychic contents, lodged as it were in the Unconscious and still effecting people with negative symptoms. My additional understanding of timelessness has been expanded by Ken Wilbur who pointed out how the notions of Unconsciousness and Superconsciousness have been conflated in classic sources like yoga texts. Additionally, Jung did NOT believe in a Superconscious (he refused to visit Ramana Maharshi when in India, dismissing the man with the words "I know the type"). Sri Ramana would have trashed Jung's theory because Jung maintained that one loses consciousness to the extent that one transcends consciousness (see Jung's preface to Evans-Wentz's The Tibetan Book of the Great Liberation).
Why is all this important? Because from a perspective that transcends Consciousness as well as Unconsciousness, Superconsciousness lends human perspective a view sub specie æternitatis ('under the aspect of eternity'). This is like comparing the flow of time to a bumper-to-bumper traffic jam where one can only see a little bit of the past in one's rear-view mirrors, but even less through the front windshield into the future. However, a position sub specie æternitatus gives one the perspective of sitting high above the 'time-line' in a helicopter. From there, one can see the entire process from a position outside of time with no boundaries caused from being locked into the limited perspective of being in a car where one's temporal perspective is divided up into the slowly moving present divided from rear and front, past and present. Someone in the past might need to experience the Eternal Present in order to receive a warning from someone in his future who is also outside of time. These two people might be like the twin electrons in quantum entanglement theory, which influence one another at such great distances that their simultaneous actions show that their actions transcends time (because there's no time-lag so the action transcends light-speed and hence cause-effect). Just a few thoughts on your thoughtful post.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#23559551 - 08/20/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: You are referring to 'backwards causation,' and I was introduced to this concept by parapsychologist/Egyptologist Bob Brier ("Mr. Mummy") when he was my philosophy professor back in the 1970s. This is one of his books: https://www.amazon.com/Precognition-philosophy-science-backward-causation/dp/0391003259/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1471654187&sr=8-1&keywords=backwards+causation%2C+brier We discussed the possibility in his Phillosophy & Parapsychology class of being warned by someone in the future. Bob worked with the 'Father of Parapsychology' J.B. Rhine at Duke University, and co-published with the man. His course was immensely popular during the 70s.
Another book (I think Brier cites this) is https://www.amazon.com/Space-Time-Richard-Swinburne/dp/0333086031/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1471654468&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=richard+swineburne%2C+space+and+time
The Unconscious from Jung's perspective is a transcendental reality which means that it is 'above' or 'beyond' time rather than "shared" by the spacio-temporal domain (since space cannot be separated from time). My own take on the timelessness of the Unconscious is supported by my work as a hypnotherapist where I see traumas from years or decades earlier that are still highly energetic autonomous psychic contents, lodged as it were in the Unconscious and still effecting people with negative symptoms. My additional understanding of timelessness has been expanded by Ken Wilbur who pointed out how the notions of Unconsciousness and Superconsciousness have been conflated in classic sources like yoga texts. Additionally, Jung did NOT believe in a Superconscious (he refused to visit Ramana Maharshi when in India, dismissing the man with the words "I know the type"). Sri Ramana would have trashed Jung's theory because Jung maintained that one loses consciousness to the extent that one transcends consciousness (see Jung's preface to Evans-Wentz's The Tibetan Book of the Great Liberation).
Why is all this important? Because from a perspective that transcends Consciousness as well as Unconsciousness, Superconsciousness lends human perspective a view sub specie æternitatis ('under the aspect of eternity'). This is like comparing the flow of time to a bumper-to-bumper traffic jam where one can only see a little bit of the past in one's rear-view mirrors, but even less through the front windshield into the future. However, a position sub specie æternitatus gives one the perspective of sitting high above the 'time-line' in a helicopter. From there, one can see the entire process from a position outside of time with no boundaries caused from being locked into the limited perspective of being in a car where one's temporal perspective is divided up into the slowly moving present divided from rear and front, past and present. Someone in the past might need to experience the Eternal Present in order to receive a warning from someone in his future who is also outside of time. These two people might be like the twin electrons in quantum entanglement theory, which influence one another at such great distances that their simultaneous actions show that their actions transcends time (because there's no time-lag so the action transcends light-speed and hence cause-effect). Just a few thoughts on your thoughtful post. 
The perspective on the Jungian refusal to entertain Superconsciousness is very interesting and enlightening as to the clash of personalities developed around labeling.
Your analogy is very good. There is a perspective afforded by ancient spiritualists that resolves the issue nicely.
Ancient indigenous people, and Sri Ramana was descended from such, had a concept called "the oneness". The oneness is a realm of intentions on its first and most universal level, outside of time. Sri Ramana was faced with western rejection of the ancient terms and was caught up in a labeling contest in order to distinguish the ability to bring/send or communicate forward or backwards in time.
The oneness, because of its basis in intention, if the individual intentions are high enough to justify dissolving the limits of time with the ability of perception, hence the appropriateness of the helicopter analogy in seeing over the traffic in time. The intent, which creates eternity necessarily is outside of time. The absolute ness of existence mandates that and a higher purpose (of twin electrons) IF any perception/appreciation of the universe is to exist.
A very curious sensation is remembered.
When I first saw the long list of films having 9/11 in them that were all created before 9/11. I had a feeing that somehow I would know HOW such was possible. Eleven years later the pieces fell into place. But, there is more to it that the OP does not share.
Our existence is about knowledge. There a a struggle going on between the margins of life on the edge of knowingness, and we carry that DNA, so the struggle is within us. It is not the inability to cognit, it is the unwillingness. Pure experience is valued over the thought or memory of experience. I've seen this in this forum! Where there is a lack or unwillingness to differentiate between the two.
This breaks down to a disdain for memory by an element of the unconscious collective. That element started 2,000 years ago to try and remove human kinds ability to keep knowledge of itself in its own mind with each generation ALSO having a mechanism to be outside of time with the essence of experience.
Oral histories kept by the use of very deep trances states such as somnambulism had telepathic qualities were not only descriptions of the material past shared, the feelings of those from the past were also carried by bearers. This created massive, widespread intent to survive and evolve.
The only acceptable knowledge was relegated to books and material forms. This made the unacceptable knowledge easy to destroy. This was first accomplished by the very disturbing practice of burning people, then graduated to the less disturbing practice of burning books.
Now, . . . knowledge is descending to a level, if we accept and allow it, of being prevented from surfacing in our material experiential existence at the press of a button. It is relegated to the level of the existence of electrons cycling or imprinted upon matter with the quasi timeless properties of gold enabling the recordation and reading!
Herein the etherial struggle between knowingness and unknowingness becomes current and knowable. Apple vs. Microsoft and the federal reserve act show a concerted effort to minimize and control the knowledge keeping ability of the people, as well as the ability to act upon it, for the purposes of maximizing the number of life forms OVER the quality of the lives they experience.
This position reeks of an inability to appreciate the experience of love as a quality and an eternal guidance mechanism creating decisions empowering eternity.
I hope you understand this and how it it is at the basis of a very material but spiritual action that we humans can now knowingly embark upon to return the keeping of knowledge to our unconscious spiritual existence to run alongside the material keeping of knowledge and the widespread ability to take action upon it. Sort of like this post intends to inspire.
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Edited by ChristopherABrown (08/20/16 10:16 AM)
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23561369 - 08/20/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I do not agree with you that there is a disdain for memory over immediate experience. This is an age of people with selfie-sticks and posting insipidly stupid things on Facebook like the plate of food they're about to eat. And what about the zillions of banal photographs for 'posterity.' Where in this culture do you see a disdain for recording, on electronic media, for the sake of memory? I regret not having a bit more of a photographic history of my life, but whether I was attending a Grateful Dead show, tripping in Bryce Canyon, or watching bolides explode during the Perseid meteor shower from geothermal pool in Yellowstone, I was there to experience it all directly for its immediate transformation of ME, over and against recording the events for merely nostalgic purposes in some indeterminate future time.
I prefer reading books, writing notes in margins even if I never open the book again because one learns at a deeper level by taking notes. My copious underlining is a type of discipline. Sorry if I don't see the Federal reserve bank as hindering my acquisition of knowledge, and our Apple products, if anything, Greatly facilitate our knowledge-gathering capabilities. The Internet is the greatest boon to my generation - it's the 'Magic Mirror' I saw on Romper Room when I was in my single digit ages!
Lastly, of knowledge, there is a difference between epistemé and gnosis, which divides the material from the spiritual domain as the former is empirical, the latter experiential. If there is a "struggle" going on, it's the constant attempts on the part of materialist to reduce transcendental verities to intellectually comprehensible datum. The finitude of the specifically human mind cannot comprehend the Infinite as the human mind derives from the Infinite Mind, and the derivative is always inferior to That from which it derives. The Creator is superior to the creation.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#23561551 - 08/20/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: I do not agree with you that there is a disdain for memory over immediate experience. This is an age of people with selfie-sticks and posting insipidly stupid things on Facebook like the plate of food they're about to eat. And what about the zillions of banal photographs for 'posterity.' Where in this culture do you see a disdain for recording, on electronic media, for the sake of memory? I regret not having a bit more of a photographic history of my life, but whether I was attending a Grateful Dead show, tripping in Bryce Canyon, or watching bolides explode during the Perseid meteor shower from geothermal pool in Yellowstone, I was there to experience it all directly for its immediate transformation of ME, over and against recording the events for merely nostalgic purposes in some indeterminate future time.
I prefer reading books, writing notes in margins even if I never open the book again because one learns at a deeper level by taking notes. My copious underlining is a type of discipline. Sorry if I don't see the Federal reserve bank as hindering my acquisition of knowledge, and our Apple products, if anything, Greatly facilitate our knowledge-gathering capabilities. The Internet is the greatest boon to my generation - it's the 'Magic Mirror' I saw on Romper Room when I was in my single digit ages!
Lastly, of knowledge, there is a difference between epistemé and gnosis, which divides the material from the spiritual domain as the former is empirical, the latter experiential. If there is a "struggle" going on, it's the constant attempts on the part of materialist to reduce transcendental verities to intellectually comprehensible datum. The finitude of the specifically human mind cannot comprehend the Infinite as the human mind derives from the Infinite Mind, and the derivative is always inferior to That from which it derives. The Creator is superior to the creation.
Sorry, I didn't explain it was redandgreenvine and orgone conclusion I think that were trying to say memories and perceptional experiences were essentially the same, not that one was disdained.
That was in the ego universe thread.
Apple was forced to compete unfairly because of the decision in Apple Vs Microsoft. It really screwed up a good thing and their machines are not as functional in some ways today than 15 years ago. Certainly abandoning a bunch of cool software hurt users quite a bit, and they only did it because windows was competing. Without the decision of the us district court ignoring the contract between Apple and Microsoft, there would be no windows.
I remember numerous friends who wanted to go onto forums and argue for the truth of 9/11 but they were too afraid of losing data from getting pinged, crashing or getting sent a virus on their PC.
I only know a couple of people running Linux, who are also fairly advanced, who've not lost all of their data on a PC.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23563003 - 08/21/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I remember numerous friends who wanted to go onto forums and argue for the truth of 9/11 but they were too afraid of losing data from getting pinged, crashing or getting sent a virus on their PC.
This seems to be very paranoid, and yet, after I posted on my one-time blog a question about what the Coca-Cola industry did with all the cocaine that it extracts from its rather secret coca plantation in Hawaii (if you look at a pharmacy bottle of Coca-Cola syrup, it reads "extractives from coca leaves (cocaine removed)." A day or so later, my entire blog disappeared from the internet. For a while I was able to find a couple of articles but even they eventually vanished. So, I don't know what happened. Just as opium was stockpiled in caves at some point for distribution should there be a nuclear war, I surmised that cocaine may have been similarly stockpiled. Although I may have also suggested that the CIA used cocaine as currency. For all I know, Coca-Cola is just a by-product of cocaine extraction that becomes a secondary source of income rather than the point of the poisonous high-fructose beverage.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#23564327 - 08/21/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/the-constitution/the-declaration-of-independence-full-transcript/
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MarkostheGnostic said: I remember numerous friends who wanted to go onto forums and argue for the truth of 9/11 but they were too afraid of losing data from getting pinged, crashing or getting sent a virus on their PC.
This seems to be very paranoid,
That's what I thought.
But the infiltration of government worked hard after seeing the taking of the global usenet to make people afraid. That's what the whole internet stalker thing and anonymity thing is about.
That looked too wimpy so people started to regard it as "edgy". OMG! Fraudulent Americans in effort to avoid shame.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23568594 - 08/23/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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every word you read is part of a message from your perfected self.
now is the only moment of existence, past and future are illusions.
freedom is the ability to do the wrong thing and not be perfect now.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: nothing exists]
#23573652 - 08/24/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nothing exists said: every word you read is part of a message from your perfected self.
now is the only moment of existence, past and future are illusions.
freedom is the ability to do the wrong thing and not be perfect now.
Okay, but acting now according to the information of a dream coming from descendants then, in the future, may easily be the way to find the time for developing perfection.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Lucis]
#23576956 - 08/25/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#23578618 - 08/26/16 05:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Eclipse3130]
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The past and future have already happened, or they both conjoin to create the moment - this is the only reason we were able to come back from the future, I guess just to warn ourselves of which will inevitably happen anyway? How is telling us this going to help or save us in anyway? If the future has already happened, and we destroy ourselves to nuclear war, I guess the few humans that evolved and traveled back in time are able to actively create reality and shape the future, which would seem logical for a space and time traveling being - this means we definitely already have destroyed ourselves in an alternate, parallel universe but in this instance, we can save ourselves by being in an instance of time where we have finally found ourselves after searching the limitless galaxies, who knows how many eons or how many times we have continuously destroyed ourselves which we already have in the past/future in an alternate reality - but as an "older" or more "evolved" instance of being it would make sense that we have already destroyed ourselves, and now we are coming back to save ourselves, how many planets, how many times will we do this though?
Lol! All the random "Alien" species are just sub species of US humans which developed over time and have different characteristics because of the many limitless other worlds there are to inhabit, and the many times we have destroyed ourselves as the few who survived evolved and potentially moved to other planets and developed into what they are today.
This hasn't been too prelevant in our current history because we have just now reached technological and conscious advancement to understand it.
What if all of what I said is real? Anything is possible
Just think if you went back in time to 2001 9/11 in the US, and were telling everyone you were from the future and people were going to fly into the twin towers, nobody would believe you and it would still happen right? So I'm afraid nobody believes in us in the end, the world won't believe in themselves before we destroy ourselves. So really what would be the point in coming back to tell ourselves we destroy ourselves? Maybe in some instance when spiritual advancement passes technological advancement is the day we will succeed as a species.
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My Nkondi and I have put out a trail of breadcrumbs backwards in time, in my dreams and drug induced visions, that lead me to knowing where to go.
Know that "if only I had a time machine I would warn myself"?
I did just that, from early childhood onward.
I got a road map. I'm on a need to know basis but I got a road map.
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Asante]
#23578713 - 08/26/16 06:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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My running theory is 2020 will be the inevitable turning point, global consciousness has been rapidly expanding since 2012,and 2016 has been the biggest year yet of conscious expansion. I'd say it's a safe bet between light and dark, consciousness vs beliefs. The objective nature of reality vs the human construct of meaning of reality based through religion and superstition of God(s) will be the underlying battle, we came back from the future to warn ourselves, for the who knows how many times we've already done this, in this particular instance we may very well be able to succeed as a spiritual advancement, or blow ourselves down from nuclear war.
The war right now is on consciousness, and it's the government vs the people, we must take over, we must win. Or we will all destroy ourselves to nuclear war. But shit, let's do it again right? I think it's safe to say we've never fully evolved spiritually as a species, we are in the process of re-remembering or reawakening to who we truly are. I have had many 2020 visions.
It's easy to predict where the future may go, because all instances have already happened, but there's something that makes this instance different, the population may be conscious enough to save ourselves? Time will tell
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
Edited by Eclipse3130 (08/26/16 06:45 AM)
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23578741 - 08/26/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It could go even deeper than that, the government(few really at the top) could be a small sub species of aliens(bad ones) who are trying to control and harvest human energy for their own growth and satisfaction, the good aliens can't interfere as it will cause an inevitable outburst of chaos in religion and they know this, but they can warn us individually to the conscious and awake(which they are doing) once the negative entities have harnessed all they need they will destroy all humans(gov) I think our only option is to revolt ASAP. And us from the future is trying to warn us presently. I'm gonna start setting churches on fire. NOW is the only time to act!
Get awakened, Only the strong survive. Most likely there will be inevitable nuclear war, it's okay though if you are conscious enough you will be rescued and saved via space craft. It's why NASA released the newly discovered Earth planet, that's where we will be going. The workers at NASA are actually receiving extraterrestrial help in this regard. All mistakes are in the past, we could be coming back to haunt us, at the same time coming from the future to save us, and that's the inevitable duality of good vs evil is past vs future. To be better than the day before. We may haunt ourselves from our past, but our light is always in the future.
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
Edited by Eclipse3130 (08/26/16 07:13 AM)
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23579291 - 08/26/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said: The past and future have already happened, or they both conjoin to create the moment - this is the only reason we were able to come back from the future, I guess just to warn ourselves of which will inevitably happen anyway? How is telling us this going to help or save us in anyway? If the future has already happened, and we destroy ourselves to nuclear war, I guess the few humans that evolved and traveled back in time are able to actively create reality and shape the future, which would seem logical for a space and time traveling being - this means we definitely already have destroyed ourselves in an alternate, parallel universe but in this instance, we can save ourselves by being in an instance of time where we have finally found ourselves after searching the limitless galaxies, who knows how many eons or how many times we have continuously destroyed ourselves which we already have in the past/future in an alternate reality - but as an "older" or more "evolved" instance of being it would make sense that we have already destroyed ourselves, and now we are coming back to save ourselves, how many planets, how many times will we do this though?
Lol! All the random "Alien" species are just sub species of US humans which developed over time and have different characteristics because of the many limitless other worlds there are to inhabit, and the many times we have destroyed ourselves as the few who survived evolved and potentially moved to other planets and developed into what they are today.
This hasn't been too prelevant in our current history because we have just now reached technological and conscious advancement to understand it.
What if all of what I said is real? Anything is possible
Just think if you went back in time to 2001 9/11 in the US, and were telling everyone you were from the future and people were going to fly into the twin towers, nobody would believe you and it would still happen right? So I'm afraid nobody believes in us in the end, the world won't believe in themselves before we destroy ourselves. So really what would be the point in coming back to tell ourselves we destroy ourselves? Maybe in some instance when spiritual advancement passes technological advancement is the day we will succeed as a species.
Fairly hard to argue with that. It has as much possibility as many other things.
My point, which I so far have not made here yet is that there is an action which has nothing to do with 9/11 can completely alter the effects of 9/11 and stop that war.
It is essentially belief in the clarity of vision into our long term needs that the framers of the documents making America had. The gained much vision from the Indigenous a American people who had many spiritual visionaries. Their society worked extensively with the unconscious mind which has linkage to the past and future.
That linkage allowed philosophical structure that prevails over all dogma in favor of decision to action that enables the continuity of life.
By returning to the past and trying to warn of 9/11 before it happens would have exactly the results you describe. However, by working in the present before the war happens using the widely accepted and appreciated, albeit under used law of the constitution, the desired effect can be gained.
Allowing the beginning of acts of self destruction does not guarantee they will complete. This is the nature of time in the matrix. There are nodes in the matrix which last dozens of our lifetimes, and any decision leading to mass action can have a profound effect. Going to the past and mentioning 9/11 before it happens may invoke the same dejection as trying to socially approach it after it has happened.
The issue is really that the people choosing the path leading to 9/11 have lost sight of the beauty and promise of eternity in the present and are fixated upon the deficiencies of the present. So by not mentioning 9/11 and simply investing in the historical acceptability and promise of manifesting the intent of Americas founding documents, simply picks up the intent of the framers and the Indigenous visionaries of the past before the continuous vision of the future before being obscured by the emptiness.
-------------------- You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want. People that do not want what they need, have a problem. Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?
Edited by ChristopherABrown (08/26/16 10:25 AM)
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Re: Are People In Our Future Dreaming Back A Warning To Us? [Re: ChristopherABrown]
#23579553 - 08/26/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Prior to our coming to Earth around 18,000,000 years ago, we inhabited the planet Maldek which we destroyed through atomic explosion. This being the case, each and every one of us is from another planet – Maldek. What remains of the physical structure of this planet is now the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.
Sometimes advanced extraterrestrials from the higher vibratory planes of other planets in this Solar System cause a part of their consciousness to be born on Earth in order to help mankind in certain ways. These beings are known as Cosmic Avatars, and include Masters such as Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Confucius, Lao Zi, Moses and St Peter. When their mission is completed, they leave Earth. It should be stressed that they do not need to be born on Earth, as we do, in order to gain experience. They are born here purely in self-sacrifice due to their great compassion in order to help us. They are, without exception, outstanding individuals who lead extraordinary lives and make an extraordinary contribution to mankind’s advancement.
It would only make sense that we have destroyed ourselves multiple times. But now may be the time where we really have the chance consciously to exceed
-------------------- "In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply Different ways in which The All-That Is Perceives Itself"
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