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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: ballsalsa]
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If they thought that their existence as a nation was in immediate jeopardy, probably. though i imagine that some attempt at a conventional decision would be made first if possible.
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: DividedQuantum]
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I've got no clue if we will be able to go another 50 years. But I highly doubt that some weapon is going to be the end of total war. If you look back before major wars, we had convinced ourselves "war is extinct, it can't happen nowadays."
Humanity will see total nuclear war at some point.
Has anyone seen the "dial-a-nuke" that is in development? We are now developing new, smaller nuclear weapons that we will be tempted to actually use in combat.
It is my opinion that we have only begun to realize the usefulness of nuclear power.
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: Crumist]
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Crumist said: I've got no clue if we will be able to go another 50 years. But I highly doubt that some weapon is going to be the end of total war. If you look back before major wars, we had convinced ourselves "war is extinct, it can't happen nowadays."
Humanity will see total nuclear war at some point.
Has anyone seen the "dial-a-nuke" that is in development? We are now developing new, smaller nuclear weapons that we will be tempted to actually use in combat.
It is my opinion that we have only begun to realize the usefulness of nuclear power.
Well, it would be tough for the species to survive a hundred-year nuclear winter.
Yeah, the dial-a-nukes have been around for a while, actually. What morbid logic behind those.
Nuclear power is extremely useful, safe and clean. It is one of the best ways to generate clean energy. Many nations use it, including ours. What we have to watch for, clearly, is out-of-control proliferation of fissile materials that could be made into weapons, and nuclear proliferation in general.
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: DividedQuantum]
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I'm not sure i understand the logic of a nuke of less than 1 kiloton. We have conventional chemical explosives in our arsenal that are comparable, so what would be the advantage?
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: I'm not sure i understand the logic of a nuke of less than 1 kiloton. We have conventional chemical explosives in our arsenal that are comparable, so what would be the advantage?
The only one I know of is that it makes battlefield deployment easier. They can actually fire it in artillery.
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23622942 - 09/07/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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ok, i can see why that would be cool for a military without total air superiority. Still seems like an expensive weapon that relies on the enemy sitting in concentrated positions or on the target being a stationary one like a town or building.
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: ballsalsa]
#23622958 - 09/07/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't ask me, man. There's the right way, the wrong way, and the Army way.
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23622977 - 09/07/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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thats what i mean though. there are tons of military boondoggles. vehicles and weapons that will never be used, and were only produced in the first place because of political or financial motives(which are often one and the same). Maybe dial-a-nukes are just corporate welfare for the military industrial complex? thats all i was getting at
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: ballsalsa]
#23623026 - 09/07/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, yes, I think you're right. The military-industrial establishment has been known to spend without frugality, as you say.
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23623374 - 09/07/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, it would be tough for the species to survive a hundred-year nuclear winter.
I don't think a "nuclear winter" is a favored theory anymore. They estimate we wouldn't kick up as much particulate matter as we originally thought and that it staying suspended and blotting out the sun for a period of years isn't the probable case. Not that I'm at all in favor of giving it the ol' college try
As many nukes as we have got, I don't think we face an existential threat. I would imagine most of Latin America, Africa, and even parts of Asia would escape being fired upon with nuclear weapons.
So, fingers crossed, I don't think nuclear war poses quite the existential threat to life, or even to our species, that we believed back during the Cold War
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: Crumist]
#23623417 - 09/07/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hope to Christ you're right.
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: DividedQuantum]
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Both you and I are deader than disco though, no dancing around that haha, heh...
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: Crumist]
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23623640 - 09/07/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are getting to the point where bombs on landing on residential districts and hospitals. I could see dial-a-nukes, or what Sci-fi likes to call tactical nukes, being deployed for areas of dense urban population, especially if the fallout is rather persistent and nasty. a few Nuclear warheads that irradiate a couple of middle schools and children's hospitals, in the same way children's hospitals and schools are hit in Syria and other places. Plus the wider EMP,
OOOOH and the Metal Gear walking battle tank scenario, a chain fed nuke launcher equipped to a small contingent of walking Mecha. Just level an area tactically instead of a huge crater.
We are getting close, if not already there in prototype stages.
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: egoproctor]
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I love the metal gear games, but I never understood the point of having a nuclear mecha.
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: Crumist]
#23624091 - 09/07/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Other than short range deployment of surgical targeting ability, like walking into DC and blowing up the White House. Air Drop the Mecha into the mall or just outside of the city center and it has enough other armaments to get close enough to deploy the weapon.
If you ever read the book Starship Troopers, they all carried mini nukes in their battle suits and used them to collapse bug caves if I remember correctly.
If I was at war with America and I had that weaponry, I would walk the mecha into downtown NY city and nuke Times square during the New Years festivities or something similar. Nuke the super bowl or a final four game.
Now that they have real thermoptic camouflage and radar stealth tech for tanks in America, the Japanese are making the cloak version for people, the Mecha could be anywhere and nuke the next DNC or RNC or the Harvard Graduation ceremony.
There are uses for it. Especially in a total war scenario. Take out Niagra Falls generator and a couple of major sub stations in the midwest and the Hoover Damn, flood and cripple the country by cutting its power.
To be sure a nuclear powerplant or 2 could be taken out as well.
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: egoproctor]
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egoproctor said: Other than short range deployment of surgical targeting ability, like walking into DC and blowing up the White House. Air Drop the Mecha into the mall or just outside of the city center and it has enough other armaments to get close enough to deploy the weapon.
If you ever read the book Starship Troopers, they all carried mini nukes in their battle suits and used them to collapse bug caves if I remember correctly.
If I was at war with America and I had that weaponry, I would walk the mecha into downtown NY city and nuke Times square during the New Years festivities or something similar. Nuke the super bowl or a final four game.
Now that they have real thermoptic camouflage and radar stealth tech for tanks in America, the Japanese are making the cloak version for people, the Mecha could be anywhere and nuke the next DNC or RNC or the Harvard Graduation ceremony.
There are uses for it. Especially in a total war scenario. Take out Niagra Falls generator and a couple of major sub stations in the midwest and the Hoover Damn, flood and cripple the country by cutting its power.
To be sure a nuclear powerplant or 2 could be taken out as well.
why would you need a mini nuke, or a Mech for that matter, in order to do any of those things?
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: ballsalsa]
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why not. Why do we need Nukes, or tanks, or guns that fire thousands of rounds a minute but will melt the barrel if they are not cooled before the minute is up?
Why do we need supersonic stealth bombers, why do we need to invent viruses and fungal infections and bacteria, why do we need Manchurian candidates, why do we need a CIA controlled international media paradigm that feeds the world all manner on distractions while corporations suck all the wealth and resources out of the earth and the people living on it?
Or just Because if we have it why not use it.
Japan was ready to surrender in 1943 as long as they were able to keep their emperor. The Japanese tried again to surrender in April of 1945 and they were denied. The allies allowed Russia to invade and then dropped the bombs on civilian cities in order to show Russia the new toy they had, nothing to do with ending the war. Japan would have surrendered 2 years before had the allies not asked for the emperor to step down.
The WWII atomic bombings were unnecessary and the propaganda surrounding and attempting to justify the bombs was just vile. It was one of the most abdominal war time acts ever committed in the history of man, just fucking evil.
So repeat the process and do it because we have it as a flagrant show of force and willingness to waste resources and abuse the fuck out whoever we want. That is the name of the modern warfare game.
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: ballsalsa]
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why would you need a mini nuke, or a Mech for that matter, in order to do any of those things?
I suppose mininukes have the ability to fit into a smallspace, maybe even a luggage case, that would allow for a stealthy delivery. All the fancy and expensive missile detection and protection equipment we have developed won't help us. After the fact, it would be difficult to ascertain who was responsible even. There is no scene to investigate.
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: egoproctor]
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its not as easy to be so cavalier about it as we were in WWII. Other people have that shit now for one thing. without foolproof countermeasures against opposing nukes, one's own nukes become rather useless in a world of nuclear armed combatants. this is the reason the nuclear states are so keen to keep the rest of the world from getting nukes of their own.
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