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Unknowndescender
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Spawning to Coco coir
#23535244 - 08/12/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good day to you all.
A foaf is planning on doing his second Bulk. On his first experience he used Coco coir mixed with a bit of gypsum (for nutrients) because he heard coir was used only for hydratation of the mycellium and that it contained no nutrients for it to consume. (He did not use Horse poo because it has been very hard for him to find any.) Id like to know if that makes sense.
He did have pretty good results but ive seen people having good results using coir only so..
I also wanted to know if any of you have any suggestion or preference when using coir. Also, I wondered if there was a reason for people to use vermiculite if there is already water in the coir.
He heard about Damions 50/50 but neither Verm or Coir provides something, so it made him wonder. (Please correct me if im wrong)
Thanks in advance
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bodhisatta 
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Coir is nutritional. And supplies water. If you're finding info that says coir is non nutritional try searching for threads that are less than a decade old.
There is no Damion 50/50 its damion5050's coir TEK and the ratios are like 80/20
FOAF is retarded. It's you.
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: bodhisatta]
#23535335 - 08/12/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: Psykronik]
#23535355 - 08/12/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Using either is like going to a party in a costume and seeing no one else wearing one.
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: bodhisatta]
#23535585 - 08/12/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: amidogen]
#23535858 - 08/12/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You dont have to use vermiculite, I've grown on straight coir plenty of times but I prefer to add verm when I have it. Vermiculite retains water... That's the reason we add it, as well as kinda fluffs things up a little. Verm is also nice in case you prepped your coir a little too wet, you can add verm to get it closer to field capacity.
If coir was strictly non nutritional it would only be useful as a casing layer instead of a bulk substrate. Coir can also be used as a casing layer however (unlike most bulk substrates) so that might be where the confusion comes in.
I grow almost exclusively on coir right now, its just so easy to use. Smells good too. The best part is that it doesn't need to be pasturized like most bulk substrates.
Coir also makes a great additive to other bulk substrates. In the fall when I grow on straw a lot I like to add coir into the mix.
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: mushpunx]
#23538182 - 08/13/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for clarifying guys. So we add verm just for the texture If I understood properly? I dont think overhydrating coir is a problem because you can squeeze the whole thing to remove the excess
So does it makes sense to add some gypsum for extra nutrients then?
Edited by Unknowndescender (08/13/16 02:48 PM)
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: mushpunx]
#23538213 - 08/13/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Verm also contains many trace minerals and nutrients. The more diverse a substrate, the better. Mushrooms like to eat many different things, just like humans.
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Unknowndescender said: Thanks for clarifying guys. So we add verm just for the texture If I understood properly? I dont think overhydrating coir is a problem because you can squeeze the whole thing to remove the excess
So does it makes sense to add some gypsum for extra nutrients then?
No, the main reason is that verm holds water. The fact that it adds a little fluff is just a bonus IMO
Squeezing water out of coir sucks. I've done it plenty of times, adding verm is a lot easier.
I always add a hand full of gypsum in my coir, most people do. Coir/verm/gypsum is a typical mix... brick of coir, couple quarts gypsum, hand full gypsuk
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: mushpunx]
#23540565 - 08/14/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So would it make sense of he did -Pasteurized Coir -Vermiculite (is it nescessary to pasteurize it?) -Straw -Worm casting -Gypsum
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Edited by Unknowndescender (08/14/16 11:39 AM)
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bodhisatta 
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Pasteurization of the straw and worm castings seperate then mix with sterilized coir verm gypsum
I would skip straw and worms. It's all about supply of water to the fruits. The grain spawn has all the nutrients you need. Coir seems to feed grain spawn hydration it needs very efficiently to support a full first flush.
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: bodhisatta]
#23541227 - 08/14/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I read that you want to avoid sterilizing your Coir as it makes the mix more prone to trichodermas. He wants to maximize his yield so I think he should use poo,manure or worm casting but horse poo is pretty hard to get by here..
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Unknowndescender said: I read that you want to avoid sterilizing your Coir as it makes the mix more prone to trichodermas. ..
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: NDStepp84]
#23541564 - 08/14/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can't we ban people who are to pussy to say its them who need the info and are growing even after being told to stop being saying FOAF its soooooo annoying
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23541988 - 08/14/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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mrmazdarx9 said: Can't we ban people who are to pussy to say its them who need the info and are growing even after being told to stop being saying FOAF its soooooo annoying
Edited by Unknowndescender (08/14/16 07:44 PM)
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Unknowndescender said: I read that you want to avoid sterilizing your Coir as it makes the mix more prone to trichodermas. He wants to maximize his yield so I think he should use poo,manure or worm casting but horse poo is pretty hard to get by here..
Coir can be sterilized, pasturized, heat treated or just plain mixed up with tepid tap water... Sterilizing coir does NOT make it more vulnerable to contams.
Just about any other bulk substrate need proper pasturization.
If Im mixing substrates, I just do my coir separate in buckets while I pasturized my other substrates (usually chopped straw) and then mix them together.
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Unknowndescender said:
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mrmazdarx9 said: Can't we ban people who are to pussy to say its them who need the info and are growing even after being told to stop being saying FOAF its soooooo annoying

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Unknowndescender said: He wants to maximize his yield so I think he should use poo,manure or worm casting but horse poo is pretty hard to get by here..
IME a coir substrate can meet or beat manure or worm castings or whatever else ya got. Yield and potency are more about genetics than food source. Gary Colman would not have grown any taller if you fed him differently as a child.
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23545461 - 08/15/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Coir is awesome. I use coir almost exclusively. It smells awesome and its sooooo easy to prep and work with, especially if Im doing a lot.
I like to add straw in the fall, when its around all the time. But that's really the only other sub I use
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: mushpunx]
#23566149 - 08/22/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can however stunt the growth of a man who is supposed to be very tall by feeding him poorly.
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: tripkings]
#23566163 - 08/22/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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tripkings said: You can however stunt the growth of a man who is supposed to be very tall by feeding him poorly.
Sure. You should try spawning poo to poo and see how it does next to grain spawn to coir. Then tell me what's nutritious and what's not.
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23593889 - 08/30/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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My friend's got this weird overgrowth on top of one of his mushroom. What is it?? Should he remove it??
Edited by Unknowndescender (08/30/16 07:49 PM)
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23593912 - 08/30/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:
IME a coir substrate can meet or beat manure or worm castings or whatever else ya got. Yield and potency are more about genetics than food source. Gary Colman would not have grown any taller if you fed him differently as a child.
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Unknowndescender said: My friend's got this weird overgrowth on top of one of his mushroom. What is it?? Should he remove it?

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh508/unknowndescender/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_161105_zpsphxcd91h.jpg
Dude, you should really pick up on the hints they are giving you...drop the "I'm asking for information for my friend's grow". We all know that's not the case, and so would any investigator that sees your posts.
You can get black listed around here quick, then you and your "friend" will be stuck with an operation and a whole Lotta unanswered questions...
Also most people here won't click on off site links...load your pics the right way and be a proper member of the community...
It would be much appreciated!
Edited by Peteyboy (08/30/16 02:37 PM)
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Re: Spawning to Coco coir [Re: Peteyboy]
#23593945 - 08/30/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peteyboy said:
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Unknowndescender said: My friend's got this weird overgrowth on top of one of his mushroom. What is it?? Should he remove it?

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh508/unknowndescender/Mobile%20Uploads/20160830_161105_zpsphxcd91h.jpg
Dude, you should really pick up on the hints they are giving you...drop the "I'm asking for information for my friend's grow". We all know that's not the case, and so would any investigator that sees your posts.
You can get black listed around here quick, then you and your "friend" will be stuck with an operation and a whole Lotta unanswered questions...
Also most people here won't click on off site links...load your pics the right way and be a proper member of the community...
It would be much appreciated!
toast to that!
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