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OfflineStarz_PLURR
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Drying and dehydration methods.
    #23534771 - 08/12/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ok guys, here we go with the great debate. I was wondering on everyone's methods on drying out their fruits. I personally have always used a dehydrator, set at 90 degrees and it takes me about 36 hours to be completely dry. The only thinget is it makes my mushrooms super small.

I'm curious on if anyone dehydrates a different way and is able to keep the size of their mushrooms around the same.

I know some people say no heat and others say it doesn't matter, so let's open up this can of worms and tell me your techniques and also please post about how long it takes for you to make'em dry


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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: Starz_PLURR]
    #23534786 - 08/12/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dehydrator is the best method. There is no debate. The reason they get smaller is because it's getting rid of all of the moisture content...If you get rid of the moisture content (roughly 90% of the the mushroom weight is water weight) then it's obviously going to get smaller.

This post kind of makes me :facepalm:

There's several posts about this. SEVERAL


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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: Starz_PLURR]
    #23534792 - 08/12/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The ambient humidity is always a factor in dry time in my region.

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Starz_PLURR said:

I'm curious on if anyone dehydrates a different way and is able to keep the size of their mushrooms around the same.







A few years back I went ahead and bought one of those shroom stretchers the vendors sell, they work great to get your shrooms back to normal size after you dry them.
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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: george castanza]
    #23534892 - 08/12/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

A shroom stretcher? :lol: that's interesting.

But I mean, it's not going to add weight to it, so what's the point?


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PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: Kush_Zombie] * 1
    #23535024 - 08/12/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think that was tongue-in-cheek. Could be wrong though. :tongue:

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Starz_PLURR said:
Ok guys, here we go with the great debate. I was wondering on everyone's methods on drying out their fruits. I personally have always used a dehydrator, set at 90 degrees and it takes me about 36 hours to be completely dry. The only thinget is it makes my mushrooms super small.

I'm curious on if anyone dehydrates a different way and is able to keep the size of their mushrooms around the same.

I know some people say no heat and others say it doesn't matter, so let's open up this can of worms and tell me your techniques and also please post about how long it takes for you to make'em dry




The shrinkage is due to moisture loss from drying. Therefore, there is no way to remove the moisture from the mushroom and preserve the original shape and size. They'll look different no matter what after being dried because you're removing a significant amount of what gives it it's shape and size.


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Edited by h0ldthedoor (08/12/16 02:22 PM)


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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23535089 - 08/12/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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h0ldthedoor said:
I think that was tongue-in-cheek. Could be wrong though. :tongue:





:lolsy: I'll feel stupid if he was joking


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How to get started in bulk:
Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23535424 - 08/12/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Kush_Zombie said:
Dehydrator is the best method. There is no debate. The reason they get smaller is because it's getting rid of all of the moisture content...If you get rid of the moisture content (roughly 90% of the the mushroom weight is water weight) then it's obviously going to get smaller.

This post kind of makes me :facepalm:

There's several posts about this. SEVERAL



:whathesaid:


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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: Kush_Zombie] * 1
    #23535470 - 08/12/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Years ago I worked on a crew of brick Masons, one of our favorite things to do was to send the new guy out to the truck to get the brick stretcher. Usually we would time it so as the boss man would be pulling in right when the newbie would be rummaging through the tool truck, when he ask the boss where the brick stretcher was the boss would always throw a hissy fit about how stupid the worker was and about wasting time and shit. The boss was a real slave driving hard ass so we always got a huge kick out of it.

So for some reason when I read your post I thought about the old brick stretcher and turned it into the shroom stretcher. Sometimes we would get a really gullible individual and we could actually get him twice. Mason labourers have never been known for their intelligence.

I really use one of those square nesco deals with extra racks, I load it up and plug it in and usually never even check to see if they are dry until 6-12 hours. I start the dehydrator on low and then turn it about halfway up after 15min and then all the way up after another 15-20 min.


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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: Starz_PLURR]
    #23535900 - 08/12/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sup Starz

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Starz_PLURR said:
I'm curious on if anyone dehydrates a different way and is able to keep the size of their mushrooms around the same.





There isn't a way to avoid shrinking. The water is responsible for enlarging the cells. Remove it, and the mushroom shrivels.
This conversation has been rehashed so many times and the conclusion is always 'dehydrator at max setting'.


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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #23536570 - 08/12/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I personally do it 165 F on my Nesco round dehydrator and don't notice any loss of potency with my B+. I usually check halfway point and then rotate the trays.


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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #23536715 - 08/13/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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GreenRabbit said:
This conversation has been rehashed so many times and the conclusion is always 'dehydrator at max setting'.



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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: LocN9ne]
    #23536816 - 08/13/16 01:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:elmo:


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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: Starz_PLURR]
    #23537106 - 08/13/16 06:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dehydrate as quick and hot as you can not over About400Degrees F though. 36 hours is a waste of electricity. 

Once something is parched like a dehydrated mushroom its gonna shrink right?  The shroom strecher you speak of is a soak in some water and citric acid when ready to use.


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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23537124 - 08/13/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

wtfcrazymofo said:
Dehydrate as quick and hot as you can not over About400Degrees F though. 36 hours is a waste of electricity. 

Once something is parched like a dehydrated mushroom its gonna shrink right?  The shroom strecher you speak of is a soak in some water and citric acid when ready to use.




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How to get started in bulk:
Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23537510 - 08/13/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Kush_Zombie said:
Dehydrator is the best method. There is no debate.



This is where the thread should have ended.

Use max heat. People who think the heat of a dehydrator will ruin potency are idiots. You can deep fry cubes and they'll hit you like a freight train because the cooking breaks down the cells for you to easily digest. The actives only begin to MELT around 343f and up. Melting is far from being destroyed, a volume of psilocybin crystals that are melted and recrystallized when cooled is going to provide the same effect when consumed as the same volume of unmelted crystals.

When I read of someone trying to blame a dehydrator for potency loss they are pretty much always noobs using multispore.


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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: Juiceh]
    #23540650 - 08/14/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

One more post here.

There was a question about mushrooms shrinking and I said it was inevitable.

My fungi don't shrink much in the dehydrator. Are you watering a lot? If you are adding a bunch of water that could be why they shrank so much.
I used to mist all the time and have stopped doing that recently. I've noticed that my dried fruit are really just about the same size as when they were fresh.


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Re: Drying and dehydration methods. [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #23540817 - 08/14/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Starz_PLURR said:
The only thinget is it makes my mushrooms super small.



I would see this as an advantage, I would prefer if they came out smaller than they do. It's like what you see on breakfast cereal packets, "this product is sold by weight, not volume"

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GreenRabbit said:I used to mist all the time and have stopped doing that recently. I've noticed that my dried fruit are really just about the same size as when they were fresh.


and you can check before and after drying weights to see how much extra moisture they were taking on.


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