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Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun?
#23534351 - 08/12/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I've had this plant for a while, it got root bound so it dropped it leaves on one stem and then it would grow another. It did that twice, then I repotted now it's came back but why is it doing the browning with the leaves and dropping it's leaves?

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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
#23534384 - 08/12/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Probably stressed out.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: ferrel_human]
#23535628 - 08/12/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is there any way I can relieve the stress?
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
#23535765 - 08/12/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey man im pointing out the obvious. I know nothing about salvia. Im afraid to even breathe on mine that i may kill it. Goodluck. Others will know what to do.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: ferrel_human]
#23537860 - 08/13/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ferrel_human said: Hey man im pointing out the obvious. I know nothing about salvia. Im afraid to even breathe on mine that i may kill it. Goodluck. Others will know what to do.
I know how you feel, I've revived this one twice from the dead. Once for over nutrients, and another for changing the environment. Good luck with your plant
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
#23537889 - 08/13/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Likewise man. Sally is strange and this time around ive let her be and left her in relative himidity and she is okay. Not thw best but ok.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: ferrel_human]
#23538816 - 08/13/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Did you currently move her or do anything else to change it's surrounding?
Salvia doesn't like change and sometimes slightest changes will make these plants she'd all their leaves. Not sire exactly why.
Other than that it could be a water issue, it seems like you have enough drainage in your soil but are you watering it too often? You want the soil to be pretty dry in between waterings, if the soil stays constantly wet your roots will suffocate and become rotten (root rot).
Have you had any drops or rises in temperature in the plants surroundings? That could also cause this.
I'd just make sure you're not over watering and leave her be and see if she adjusts to what ever stressed her out.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
#23539071 - 08/13/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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impaired420 said: Did you currently move her or do anything else to change it's surrounding?
Salvia doesn't like change and sometimes slightest changes will make these plants she'd all their leaves. Not sire exactly why.
Other than that it could be a water issue, it seems like you have enough drainage in your soil but are you watering it too often? You want the soil to be pretty dry in between waterings, if the soil stays constantly wet your roots will suffocate and become rotten (root rot).
Have you had any drops or rises in temperature in the plants surroundings? That could also cause this.
I'd just make sure you're not over watering and leave her be and see if she adjusts to what ever stressed her out.
She's been sitting in her pot in that spot for at least 3 months now. I know that we're getting hotter in the desert, but she's inside my room with a/c so I don't see why she should be stressed. As for watering I usually let he dry as I stick my finger in her soil and make sure it's not wet. I'll update later with what happens, I just want her to have a good life and grow bushy and look like a plant
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
#23539118 - 08/13/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are the leaves turning a noticeable yellow at any time during this stage, or do they just get brown and dried and fall off?
If they're yellowing it might be a sign they need some fertilizer with nitrogen. Be very careful with fertilizers any fertilizer you use on salvia use ¼ the recommended amount or even less, it's easy to feed more but detrimental to feed less.
If you don't suspect it to be nutrient deficient then my next suggest would be to implement a artificial light source for her. How many hours of day does she get light in the window?
Only other thing I can think of would be a pH problem. Salvia likes slightly acidic soil, if you have a pH test kit test your water you give the plant, if it's too alkaline it will cause nutrient lock, meaning the plant won't uptake certain nutrients even if they're available. If the soil is overly acidic that too could be a problem, I think on the scale of 10, 10 being highly alkaline, salvia prefers around 4-5, I could be wrong on that but that's the relative range.
I'd worry about the pH lastly. Process of elimination, only implement one thing at a time to see what helps or if it makes it worse, it will help diagnosing the problem.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
#23539147 - 08/13/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also it can get really hot by the window if the sun is at a high point and shining directly on it, it could be getting too hot, check those temperatures during the peak time if there's too much flucuatuon or if the heat exceeds 90degrees farenhiet then it may be the cause of this.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
#23539734 - 08/14/16 02:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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that window spot looks like the sun might be too much especially when behind glass if the sun hits it it will burn your Salvia. I would put a humidity dome over it for a while and do some foliar feeding with some organic fertilizer and also make sure it doesn't sit in direct sunlight especially behind a window... i would also take a clone or two just in case and try to root that under a humidity dome as well. good luck. idk what else to say... that's what I would do...
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
#23540196 - 08/14/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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amonra said: that window spot looks like the sun might be too much especially when behind glass if the sun hits it it will burn your Salvia. I would put a humidity dome over it for a while and do some foliar feeding with some organic fertilizer and also make sure it doesn't sit in direct sunlight especially behind a window... i would also take a clone or two just in case and try to root that under a humidity dome as well. good luck. idk what else to say... that's what I would do...
I've tried to do a cutting from her before but ended up dying in my greenhouse. How do you recommend I take the cutting this time?
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
#23540326 - 08/14/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just cut a decent sized branch at a 45 degree angle with a sterile and sharp razor or scissors, place it in a glass of water with the bottom 1 inch or so submerged. Get a small zip lock back or clear plastic bottle and make a humidity dome to help the clone since it will be weak when you take it.
I know you didn't ask me but it's basic technique so you can get started as soon as possible.
What about the window sitatuion how much direct sun does she get for how long and can you measure the temps right against the glass from inside the house possibly?
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
#23540767 - 08/14/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I really think it's the sun and the window, I had plants before next to a window and they would get hit by the sun for a little while during the day , but it was enough to actually burn them even if it wasn't really hot weather.
You can either make a clone like Impared420 said or you can stick it in soil from the beginning. Cut below a node and leave at least a node with 2 leaves above the ground. wet throughly then cover with a dome (bag plastic bottle, glass dome, whatever). Once a day i remove the dome and mist/water the clone. You can even do foliar feeding. That's pretty much it. I let mine covered for about a week then slowly take the dome off over the course of the second week, first just a few minutes then slowly increase the time. Honestly I have about 99% success cloning. rarely I have a clone that doesn't make it.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
#23543038 - 08/15/16 06:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's pretty weird, I've got a friend who is into growing plants who looked after some of my salvia cuttings (I propagated a single specimen I received years ago a lot of times), and he reported having difficulties keeping them alive while I have grown them at 4 different homes and I just treat them very basically, I don't train them when I put a cutting outside etc.
I have done that (using a dome to gradually let a salvia d acclimatize etc), but stopped when I noticed that they seem like pretty hardy mofo's to me.
Yeah occasionally I have one that is not doing so well, sometimes neglected a bit too much regarding atmosphere rather than care which is usually fine.
So I have no idea why an experienced grower would consider them tough to keep alive unless it is a completely different climate that they don't like. But on the other hand, I think I'm an ok grower but I've messed up plenty of things so I doubt that I have a whole bunch of them flourish just because I'm giving them specialized care or use specific materials..
Inconsistent, right? - so that's what's weird imo
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
#23543288 - 08/15/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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impaired420 said: Just cut a decent sized branch at a 45 degree angle with a sterile and sharp razor or scissors, place it in a glass of water with the bottom 1 inch or so submerged. Get a small zip lock back or clear plastic bottle and make a humidity dome to help the clone since it will be weak when you take it.
I know you didn't ask me but it's basic technique so you can get started as soon as possible.
What about the window sitatuion how much direct sun does she get for how long and can you measure the temps right against the glass from inside the house possibly?
Just started measuring window temperature, parts of the plant get about 5 hrs of direct sunlight. I'll get a cutting going soon.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
#23543725 - 08/15/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have you moved the plant to a different area or changed the temperature or humidity in the room it sits in? Have you recently cranked up the AC for summer? Have you checked if it is root bound again? How often do you water it? This could be a sign of root damage.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Oggy]
#23543999 - 08/15/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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5 hours of direct sunlight is too much for salvia!!! and behind the window even if you put the AC on it is too much and it will burn. Salvia doesn't like direct sunlight. so yeah....
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Oggy]
#23544388 - 08/15/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oggy said: Have you moved the plant to a different area or changed the temperature or humidity in the room it sits in? Have you recently cranked up the AC for summer? Have you checked if it is root bound again? How often do you water it? This could be a sign of root damage.
I'll move it off of the top and onto the ground. Yes we have started using the AC for the recent days, I don't think it's root bound again. How would I check that? I water it once I stick my finger in the soil and it feels dry so maybe once a week.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
#23544394 - 08/15/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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amonra said: 5 hours of direct sunlight is too much for salvia!!! and behind the window even if you put the AC on it is too much and it will burn. Salvia doesn't like direct sunlight. so yeah....
I've pulled down the blinds a bit so it wont hit her directly, but I'll move her to the floor. Also the thermometer on the window says the highest of 96 :/
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
#23544441 - 08/15/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It will let you know when it needs water it will start to droop. also you can check like you said and if it seems dry you should water. In time it can handle 96, I had plants outside for years and it gets in the 90s granted they are in complete shade maybe just an hour of sunlight in the morning. It will curl and whatnot but it can definitely handle it once climatized. Yes move it on the ground where it doesn't get more than one hour of direct sunlight and that hour should be in the morning or before sunset definitely not in mid-day. good luck, I'm sure it will bounce back with proper care. I wouldn't worry too much about being root bound. In the shape it is in I would avoid moving it to another pot now, I would let it bounce back first then worry about that.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
#23544506 - 08/15/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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amonra said: It will let you know when it needs water it will start to droop. also you can check like you said and if it seems dry you should water. In time it can handle 96, I had plants outside for years and it gets in the 90s granted they are in complete shade maybe just an hour of sunlight in the morning. It will curl and whatnot but it can definitely handle it once climatized. Yes move it on the ground where it doesn't get more than one hour of direct sunlight and that hour should be in the morning or before sunset definitely not in mid-day. good luck, I'm sure it will bounce back with proper care. I wouldn't worry too much about being root bound. In the shape it is in I would avoid moving it to another pot now, I would let it bounce back first then worry about that.
Alright, thank you .I feel more confident on achieving a nice sally plant.
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#23544602 - 08/15/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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you're welcome. feel free to update us on the condition of your plant and/or if you have any questions. I've been growing it for years and I find it to be a very resilient plant and quite easy to grow if certain conditions are met and most important factors are: no direct sunlight, humidity and good soil. get this 3 right and you will have so much Salvia you won;t know what to do with... The plant can learn to thrive even in low humidity, you can also compensate low levels of humidity by spraying/misting once a day. The plant will be so much happier
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
#23544716 - 08/15/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree with everything amora said. Great diagnostic work guys. OP she'll be looking really nice in no time now.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
#23546808 - 08/16/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I disagree about Salvia Divinorum not liking sunlight. I have a lot outdoors that receive direct sunlight for most of the day. The only time I see purple leaves from direct sunlight is when they are root bound. I certainly wouldn't expose them immediately to direct sunlight if they have spent most of their lives without it, though. Humidity and temperature changes cause these plants to drop leaves. I don't know what causes the edges to turn brown. If I had to guess I would say over watering or under watering causes the leaves to turn brown along the edges.
An easy way to see if a plant is root bound is by sticking a tomato stake into the pot about an inch or two from the edge. If you can't push the stake in easily or if you can feel or hear roots rip then it's root bound.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Oggy]
#23546963 - 08/16/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice salvia oggy. I don't think it's an issue of direct light it's the issue of the glass magnifying the light as it passes through and also the heat rise from the sun cooking the window then cooling off as sun sets.
I have yet to set a Sally with at least one leaf with brown edges, I'm beginning to think it's unavoidable.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
#23547137 - 08/16/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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sure it can adapt to grow in direct sunlight, I said it before I find salvia to be very resilient. That being said I still think it grows better with less direct sunlight. The ones that I have inside grow much bigger leaves and they don't curl as much and seem to be happier overall. Nice looking plants you have, yours seem to thrive. Nice job! The problem OP has it's the glass window, it will literally cook the salvia for 5 hours a day. It might be able to adapt to sunlight but not behind a glass window... just my two cents.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
#23547845 - 08/16/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is convection and shouldn't be an issue for the plants if the air is circulated. I never thought about air flow being the issue. It is quite possible that would be the issue the OP is dealing with.
OP do you have a fan or anything blowing over your plants?
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Oggy]
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Oggy said: That is convection and shouldn't be an issue for the plants if the air is circulated. I never thought about air flow being the issue. It is quite possible that would be the issue the OP is dealing with.
OP do you have a fan or anything blowing over your plants?
I do have a fan that I leave on when I'm in my room, should I run it 24/7 on low?
Also those are some beautiful plants Oggy
The plant has been moved to the ground in my room, I'll post back with an update once I see a difference.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
#23559558 - 08/20/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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so, how's your plant doing buddy?
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
#23607949 - 09/03/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So it's been a little more then half a month and she's not looking any better Here's a picture of her. I moved her to the floor because I put a thermometer by the window and it hits 107 some times however things are still going downhill. Any advice?
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
#23607974 - 09/03/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The soil looks too dry. Hope it gets better. No ac inside?
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#23608008 - 09/03/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes the soil looks all dried up...I see you still have it in the sun tho oh well  At this point I would take cuttings ASAP. I would chop it all up into cuttings as many as I can get put them all in shade with humidity dome over and cross my fingers a few make it. That's what I would do. I don't think this plant will make it if left alone like this.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: ferrel_human]
#23608147 - 09/03/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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ferrel_human said: The soil looks too dry. Hope it gets better. No ac inside?
Darn, I thought I wasn't suppose to water her until her leaves started to go down and she hasn't. I'll water her now.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
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amonra said: Yes the soil looks all dried up...I see you still have it in the sun tho oh well  At this point I would take cuttings ASAP. I would chop it all up into cuttings as many as I can get put them all in shade with humidity dome over and cross my fingers a few make it. That's what I would do. I don't think this plant will make it if left alone like this.
Should I put her in my grow box? What is the best part to take a cutting? Most branches have barely any leaves.
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#23608191 - 09/03/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I see... have at least two nodes on each cutting; one in the ground and one above; always cut below the node you are going to place in the ground. Use something very sharp and clean. I would try to take the cuttings in such way to keep whatever leaves it has. I would place it straight in the ground with a dome over it; you can try in water too .If you have root hormone i would use it, or you can try dip the node that goes in the ground in honey which it helps rooting. And I would leave the mother with just a stump with a node or two, who knows maybe it grows back. I see at least 3-4 cuttings that could be made... Most importantly get it out of direct sunlight especially behind a window... or put a sunscreen on the window...one that filters the direct sunlight a bit....
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
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as an example this is the smallest cutting I ever attempted to clone. It only has one node. It was a left over and i just put it in that shot glass. It's been almost a week. No roots yet but is still alive ... It might make it... Just replace with clean water everyday.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
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amonra said: as an example this is the smallest cutting I ever attempted to clone. It only has one node. It was a left over and i just put it in that shot glass. It's been almost a week. No roots yet but is still alive ... It might make it... Just replace with clean water everyday.
Alright, I'll give it a go tonight with rooting hormone. What has a higher success rate for cuttings? Straight to soil or the water method?
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
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I've rooted cuttings at a similar size. It does take longer, it seems.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
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I usually put them straight in soil with a dome over; if you use rooting hormone you should have no problem getting a new clone but even without rarely I get a clone that doesn't make it.Quote:
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Alright, I'll give it a go tonight with rooting hormone. What has a higher success rate for cuttings? Straight to soil or the water method?
I usually put them straight in soil with a dome over; if you use rooting hormone you should have no problem getting a new clone but even without rarely I get a clone that doesn't make it; now given the condition of your plant idk but you should be able to get a few promising clones out of it... why not do half in the ground and half in water and see what works best for you... good luck !
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Oggy]
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shall I remove the parts that get brown/rot or leave it alone? I see it has a few brown mushy spots....
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
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Im still learning with mine but ive noticed if i leave too near the window and sun hits her she starts to droop, so i keep her away from direct sun, water well when drying and shes really perked up again fir me so im leaving her where she is dunno if that helps
Im so scared to kill her, i need her to grow so i can get cuttings lol!
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Spellbound]
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well, the only reason I said to chop it up into clones is because it's been more than 2 weeks and there is no improvement , it actually looks worse... so instead of losing the whole plant I'm thinking he can get a few clones started. But you're absolutely right about the sun and the window. People will tell you that they grow salvia without problems in the sun, that might be true but those plants have been climatized and most likely not behind a glass window... IME a few hours of direct sunlight ( 3-4) is more than enough for this plant, and that should be in the morning or before sunset not in mid day....
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
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I agree with amonra and not to mention he hasn't been watering the thing 
That should have been the first question we all dropped the ball here I just hope OP gets a happy ending...
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
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it also depends where you live as well because not all sunny days were created equal... a sunny day in Texas is not the same with a sunny day in Montana; last couple of days We had some heat wave here, even my Datura which is supposedly drought resistant got droopy a little ...
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
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The cuttings seem to be doing okay, I have 3 in soil and 1 in water. I used rooting hormone with the soil ones, how long until I can say that they safely made it? Huge thanks for the help guys, they're on a stable in the middle of my room where no direct sunlight hits it.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
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They should have roots in about 2 weeks. After about 10 days I gradually start to remove the humidity dome until they get used to not having one again. In about 15-20 days tops you should have a well established clone. The one you have in water make sure to change the water daily... You will notice when it finally made it because it will show signs of new growth...Good luck and yes no more direct sunlight except maybe 1-2 hours in the am or before sunset. Good luck! keep us updated...
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
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Forgot to add the dome -.- I'll add one right now. Thanks, will update in a week or if one dies.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
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The dome can be anything a glass upside-down, a plastic bag, etc. make sure you remove it everyday to let some fresh air in and stuff. If you are using a plastic bag after a week you can start poking some holes in it every day that way it will get more and more fresh air constantly. Although you might make it without a dome as well, IME it helps a lot I always use it, except if I root them straight in water but rarely I do that I usually go for "straight in the ground" method.
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amonra said: The dome can be anything a glass upside-down, a plastic bag, etc. make sure you remove it everyday to let some fresh air in and stuff. If you are using a plastic bag after a week you can start poking some holes in it every day that way it will get more and more fresh air constantly. Although you might make it without a dome as well, IME it helps a lot I always use it, except if I root them straight in water but rarely I do that I usually go for "straight in the ground" method.
Alright, I got some bags over them. Now just the waiting game.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
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make sure you water them clones too you don't need the soil soaking wet but you do need to be humid . Good luck buddy. I think you will have some new clones soon especially that you used rooting hormone, yours might root even sooner and better. I never used it. Years ago I used to use honey as substitute for rooting hormone but for at least 2 years I just stick them in the soil and cover them... I would say I have 99.9% success rate, yeah rarely I lose a clone, and usually it's because I give up on it not because it wouldn't make it.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
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Even less than a quarter inch or about 0.5 cm long roots showing should be enough of a sign that they can be planted, but water seems like the ideal way to go because the water triggering is so strong. What isn't ideal in my experience is waiting very long when it starts to root in water, you *can* do it but it can be exhausting for the plant and the smaller it is the less it may tolerate it in the end, needing the phosphates etc.
Rooting hormone is probably not that useful since you don't need any more of a rooting trigger with the water method.
I personally never use a dome anymore, but it may depend on your climate whether your salvia's prefer it, and also on whether they are already used to your ambient atmosphere and whether you grow indoors or outdoors or if you move a plant from inside to outside etc.
The smaller cuttings taking longer is probably from having less of a reserve... pay attention to making the cut immediately under a node, because at around that node it should start rooting. If you have a small cutting and the note is 'incorrectly' in the middle of its height, you will need to plant it that much deeper and possibly the part below it may just rot off from having no closed off circulation nor serving a function. Usually they can handle a bit of a stump rotting away but if about half of your cutting is expected to die off that doesn't seem so great.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Solipsis]
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All of the cuttings unforntunatly didn't make it, they grow some spider like stuff and it just killed them However the main plant starting growing a new branch so I will leave it in it's spot and let it do it's thing and just water it as I water my weed plants.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
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Oh my goodness... What has happened to your plant.... 
I'm really sorry man... This shouldn't have happened... Are you sure you don't have pests slowly killing your plants?
You say spider web like things? You should look for spider mites... God forbid they get into your weed plants....
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
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ups yeah... this shouldn;t have happened... i never had five clones die on me... and that spider stuff idk maybe you did had some bugs or something ... sorry man...
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
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I'm really sorry man... This shouldn't have happened... Are you sure you don't have pests slowly killing your plants?
You say spider web like things? You should look for spider mites... God forbid they get into your weed plants....
It was like spider web mold, and yes the weed plants did have some spider mites but I sprayed them today. They are a pain in the ass I have experience.Quote:
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It's like some webby mold, I think from too much humidity
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
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Updates?
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
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Luckily I've never had spider mites... Hopefully you get them in check before they can damage anything else.
Maybe it was mould??
Did you happen to take ant pictures of the webby stuff?
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
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something was wrong maybe with the whole plant... I don't know but I never had five clones die. Actually rarely I have one that dies and usually that is because I give up. Remember that sick clone I had Impaired? Will post some updates, you should see that little guy now!!! Also another big plant I had end up breaking the main stem. I left literally a stump with one node and now it shows new growth (small but is there). So I really don't know what happened but from 4-5 clones you should end up with at least one plant... but then again if the whole plant was cooked for days behind that glass window...
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
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Updates?
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New growth on the mother

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Maybe it was mould??
Did you happen to take ant pictures of the webby stuff?
Webby Stuff
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It was being cooked for a while At least there is still hope for the main plant to make it.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
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The new growth looks promising.
I'm not sure what that web stuff is... Maybe some sort of mould or fungus? Looks sort of like cobweb mould to me but I can't be 100% on that.
Yeah amonra I remember... Let's see that buety.
I just tried taking two clones they both are shriveled and dead
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I'm not sure what that web stuff is... Maybe some sort of mould or fungus? Looks sort of like cobweb mould to me but I can't be 100% on that.
Yeah amonra I remember... Let's see that buety.
I just tried taking two clones they both are shriveled and dead 
I've gotten this mould before when i did my San Pedro seeds, however almost all of those made it.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
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hey new growth!!! That is awesome!!! take care of it and soon you'll have a plant that hopefully can provide you a clone, then you'll have two
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
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Yeah, I can't wait. She's staying behind my growbox, seems like she liked it there.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
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If the rest of the plant keeps getting worse wouldnt it be a good I idea to take that new growth and root that little sucker?
What does everyone think?
And I say if the rest of the plant keeps declining only because if it's not broken dont fix it. But If it keeps getting worst ITS BROKEN and the new growth could save the situation.
Plus for most plants new growths are the best candidates for cloning. Obviously it would be idea for it to first reach a certain size with x amount of nodes and leaves and these are variables that are different from plant to plant.
Here's a quote from somewhere I do not recall:
Salvia divinorum is usually propagated through vegetative reproduction. Small cuttings, between two and eight inches long, cut off of the mother plant just below a node, will usually root in plain tap water within two or three weeks.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
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I meant when it is established enough... I mean yeah... didn't think it needs to be specified...sorry.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
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The little branch keeps growing, I'll see if it ever reaches like 5 inches or so.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
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I was basically supporting your statement as well as adding
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
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yeah , no it's good, I think sometimes we forget that are people who maybe grow it for the first time and what seems common sense to us maybe is not so obvious for others...
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
#23735847 - 10/14/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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 Update on the new growth, however the 2 lower leaves are dying like the plant was before
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
#23757876 - 10/21/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks like the whole stem is rotting and turning black????
Not really sure what good advice would be at this point.
Personally I'd let it get as big as possible then try to clone it...
This plant has got me stumped
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
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If it grows out long enough I'll try to root it, but maybe it is rot
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yeah, IDK, try to root it before it dies. there is something wrong either with this plant, with how you took care of it and maybe with the soil or a combination of things. At this point the only advice would be to put all your money into cloning that little shoot, ill give it 40% success or even 50% or higher if you clone it right. First use fresh soil or sterilize some soil you already have so we make sure is not the soil. secondly make a sharp cut right below the lowest node possible. if you have rooting hormone use it. take a small cup or pot, very small the smallest you have. fill it up make sure it drains well and stick the clone in there. mist well and cover with a plastic baggie. make sure it has plenty light, and no sun whatsoever. every 24 hours take the baggie off for 1-2 min to breathe, also mist. do this for a week . after a week continue but take the bag off for longer periods 5 minutes, then after 1-2 days for 10 minutes and so on. or you could start poking holes in the bag; every day poke 2-3 holes. don't forget to mist once in a while. do this for another week or so. good luck. or get another plant... I'm sure there are many that can help you, unless you're in a state where you know they hate on Salvia.... IDK what else to tell you buddy.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
#23763106 - 10/23/16 02:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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amonra said: yeah, IDK, try to root it before it dies. there is something wrong either with this plant, with how you took care of it and maybe with the soil or a combination of things. At this point the only advice would be to put all your money into cloning that little shoot, ill give it 40% success or even 50% or higher if you clone it right. First use fresh soil or sterilize some soil you already have so we make sure is not the soil. secondly make a sharp cut right below the lowest node possible. if you have rooting hormone use it. take a small cup or pot, very small the smallest you have. fill it up make sure it drains well and stick the clone in there. mist well and cover with a plastic baggie. make sure it has plenty light, and no sun whatsoever. every 24 hours take the baggie off for 1-2 min to breathe, also mist. do this for a week . after a week continue but take the bag off for longer periods 5 minutes, then after 1-2 days for 10 minutes and so on. or you could start poking holes in the bag; every day poke 2-3 holes. don't forget to mist once in a while. do this for another week or so. good luck. or get another plant... I'm sure there are many that can help you, unless you're in a state where you know they hate on Salvia.... IDK what else to tell you buddy. 
I'll try rooting it tomorrow following your instructions and I'll hope for the best :3
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
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Right now I have my cutting in a cup in my closet with the door open. Should I put her under a small CFL light instead?
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
#23785135 - 10/30/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mrvince said: Right now I have my cutting in a cup in my closet with the door open. Should I put her under a small CFL light instead?
Just make sure she's getting some light. Doesn't have to be a lot while the plant is growing roots.
Also cover the cup with something to keep the humidity high like a bottle or plastic wrap and open it 1-2 times a day for fresh air.
It's extra work but do anything you can to keep it alive.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
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Mrvince said: Right now I have my cutting in a cup in my closet with the door open. Should I put her under a small CFL light instead?
Just make sure she's getting some light. Doesn't have to be a lot while the plant is growing roots.
Also cover the cup with something to keep the humidity high like a bottle or plastic wrap and open it 1-2 times a day for fresh air.
It's extra work but do anything you can to keep it alive.
Alright, she has a bag over her and is inside a grow box under a 25W CFL. I'll update when I notice a difference.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
#23792684 - 11/01/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What were your temps, when you started the thread. We were having a heatwave that made hardy stuff drop leaves.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: durian_2008]
#23793466 - 11/01/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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durian_2008 said: What were your temps, when you started the thread. We were having a heatwave that made hardy stuff drop leaves.
My cacti by the window were reading a high of 103F, however now it getting colder is 94F. Maybe she was fine during winter by the window but once the heat hit it went downhill.
Cutting has dropped 1 of it's leaves, I hope she pulls through.
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Just sprayed her and the bag touched her other big leaf and fell off. She only has the top 2 smaller leaves
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
#23867757 - 11/26/16 01:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So the cutting unfortunately did not make it. She struggled her most of her life, came back to life twice. I guess I'll try again in the spring and hopefully do it right.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
#23874722 - 11/28/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's like some webby mold, I think from too much humidity 
Next time if you have that, just use a very diluted bleach solution (1 tablespoon to 1 gallon of water) and spray. It will kill the surface molds. That's why amonra said to remove the whatever humidity dome you use once a day. I have my babies in a plastic box now, but I remove the lid and air it out twice a day, and I bought the hydrogen peroxide already in case I need it.
I'd have done one more thing with the cuttings; I'd have rinsed them with the diluted bleach and soaked them in water for a day, then put them into the soil. Actually not soil, but preferably something "inert" like coco coir - perlite to avoid any crap growing on/in the substrate. I'd have soaked because the whole plant looked a bit dried up.
And I'm sorry for your loss. Both the cuttings and the new sprout. I've been rooting the whole time while reading this thread (I wasn't following it as it was happening, only read it now). Been hoping for a happy end...

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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: purplegills]
#23877777 - 11/29/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What about the water. I think I lost my first plant because of treated well water which is hard and alkaline. I now use fresh untreated well water which has a ph of 6.4 when freshly drawn.
The salvia plants seem to do much better with it.
When I took cuttings with a humidity dome it was too damp and my plant stems just rotted away.
I have mentioned this a few times and it is more work but maybe foolproof. I now use one of those shot gun fruiting chambers that mushroom growers use with perlite in the bottom. It has a great airflow all the time and keeps a high level of humidity and minimal risk of mold.
I also play the options with my cuttings. I put the cuttings in soil and then put the pot of soil inside a another pot with water about half way up. Once the cutting takes off I remove the inner soil pot from the outer water pot and then I have a rooted cutting in soil. I leave the soil pot in the fruiting chamber and then start bringing it out for a few hours a day. I have never lost a cutting this way - apart from one mugwort cutting which had those awful white cotton aphid things.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Browser]
#23881398 - 11/30/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is turning out to be a challenging plant, to grow.
Besides loosening the soil and controlling the temperatures, and humidity... and bugs... 
I am finding that leaf drop can occur, with limited foot room.
Informally speaking, canopy and the size of the root system are related, and will tend to limit eachother.
This can be overcome with careful ferti-gation.
Alot of times, you hear people say they have a brown thumb. They are killers.
What is happening, when you get a big, lush plant, in a cute little pot, is the nursery has kept the plant on tap. It is typically grown in non-nutritive moss and perlite and stinky water -- on life support.
When I use this method, my pepper plants now fruit in confined spaces.
Sally's stems get new life, when her soil is not depleted.
It makes me think about our vulnerable position, as humans. Ground, not under intensive management, can be come dead ground, over time. The same is true, outside of your planter.
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: durian_2008]
#23883239 - 11/30/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your problem seems to be over-watering or too much heat
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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
#23883970 - 12/01/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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durian_2008 said: What were your temps, when you started the thread. We were having a heatwave that made hardy stuff drop leaves.
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Mrvince said: My cacti by the window were reading a high of 103F, however now it getting colder is 94F. Maybe she was fine during winter by the window but once the heat hit it went downhill.
Cutting has dropped 1 of it's leaves, I hope she pulls through.
**EDIT**
Just sprayed her and the bag touched her other big leaf and fell off. She only has the top 2 smaller leaves
This is a survival strategy, which prevents plants from losing water, by way of excess surface area, imhblo.
Several generations of these conditions will produce a landrace with more-narrow leaves, like with tea plants.
fwiw, summer in my bay window is a killer, always.
I am watching for frost and watching for summer.
I find that I can raise world class plants, but can never relax, about it. I have to interact with it, constantly, to get what I want.
The varieties grown at nurseries are intended to fill a turnkey garden, which can be ignored.
Or, they are considered cheap, thrown away, seasonally.
I think these are some of the unconscious expectations we have, when buying expensive and difficult plants, like Salvia.
This last heat wave damaged established trees, which were getting enough water.
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