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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: durian_2008]
    #23793466 - 11/01/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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What were your temps, when you started the thread. We were having a heatwave that made hardy stuff drop leaves.



My cacti by the window were reading a high of 103F, however now it getting colder is 94F. Maybe she was fine during winter by the window but once the heat hit it went downhill.

Cutting has dropped 1 of it's leaves, I hope she pulls through.

**EDIT**

Just sprayed her and the bag touched her other big leaf and fell off. She only has the top 2 smaller leaves


Edited by Mrvince (11/02/16 12:48 AM)


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
    #23867757 - 11/26/16 01:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So the cutting unfortunately did not make it. She struggled her most of her life, came back to life twice. I guess I'll try again in the spring and hopefully do it right.


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
    #23874722 - 11/28/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It's like some webby mold, I think from too much humidity :frown:





Next time if you have that, just use a very diluted  bleach solution (1 tablespoon to 1 gallon of water) and spray. It will kill the surface molds. That's why amonra said to remove the whatever humidity dome you use once a day. I have my babies in a plastic box now, but I remove the lid and air it out twice a day, and I bought the hydrogen peroxide already in case I need it.

I'd have done one more thing with the cuttings; I'd have rinsed them with the diluted bleach and soaked them in water for a day, then put them into the soil. Actually not soil, but preferably something "inert" like coco coir - perlite to avoid any crap growing on/in the substrate. I'd have soaked because the whole plant looked a bit dried up.

And I'm sorry for your loss. Both the cuttings and the new sprout. I've been rooting the whole time while reading this thread (I wasn't following it as it was happening, only read it now). Been hoping for a happy end...




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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: purplegills]
    #23877777 - 11/29/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What about the water.  I think I lost my first plant because of treated well water which is hard and alkaline. I now use fresh untreated well water which has a ph of 6.4 when freshly drawn.

The salvia plants seem to do much better with it.


When I took cuttings with a humidity dome it was too damp and my plant stems just rotted away.

I have mentioned this a few times and it is more work but maybe foolproof. I now use one of those shot gun fruiting chambers that mushroom growers use with perlite in the bottom.  It has a great airflow all the time and keeps a high level of humidity and minimal risk of mold.

I also play the options with my cuttings. I put the cuttings in soil and then put the pot of soil inside a another pot with water about half way up.  Once the cutting takes off I remove the inner soil pot from the outer water pot and then I have a rooted cutting in soil. I leave the soil pot in the fruiting chamber and then start bringing it out for a few hours a day. I have never lost a cutting this way - apart from one mugwort cutting which had those awful white cotton aphid things.


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Browser]
    #23881398 - 11/30/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

This is turning out to be a challenging plant, to grow.

Besides loosening the soil and controlling the temperatures, and humidity... and bugs... :shrug:

I am finding that leaf drop can occur, with limited foot room.

Informally speaking, canopy and the size of the root system are related, and will tend to limit eachother.

This can be overcome with careful ferti-gation.

Alot of times, you hear people say they have a brown thumb. They are killers.

What is happening, when you get a big, lush plant, in a cute little pot, is the nursery has kept the plant on tap. It is typically grown in non-nutritive moss and perlite and stinky water -- on life support.

When I use this method, my pepper plants now fruit in confined spaces.

Sally's stems get new life, when her soil is not depleted.

It makes me think about our vulnerable position, as humans. Ground, not under intensive management, can be come dead ground, over time. The same is true, outside of your planter.


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: durian_2008]
    #23883239 - 11/30/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Your problem seems to be over-watering or too much heat


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
    #23883970 - 12/01/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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durian_2008 said:
What were your temps, when you started the thread. We were having a heatwave that made hardy stuff drop leaves.



Quote:

Mrvince said:
My cacti by the window were reading a high of 103F, however now it getting colder is 94F. Maybe she was fine during winter by the window but once the heat hit it went downhill.

Cutting has dropped 1 of it's leaves, I hope she pulls through.

**EDIT**

Just sprayed her and the bag touched her other big leaf and fell off. She only has the top 2 smaller leaves




This is a survival strategy, which prevents plants from losing water, by way of excess surface area, imhblo.

Several generations of these conditions will produce a landrace with more-narrow leaves, like with tea plants.

fwiw, summer in my bay window is a killer, always.

I am watching for frost and watching for summer.

I find that I can raise world class plants, but can never relax, about it. I have to interact with it, constantly, to get what I want.

The varieties grown at nurseries are intended to fill a turnkey garden, which can be ignored.

Or, they are considered cheap, thrown away, seasonally.

I think these are some of the unconscious expectations we have, when buying expensive and difficult plants, like Salvia.

This last heat wave damaged established trees, which were getting enough water.


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