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Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun?
    #23534351 - 08/12/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So I've had this plant for a while, it got root bound so it dropped it leaves on one stem and then it would grow another. It did that twice, then I repotted now it's came back but why is it doing the browning with the leaves and dropping it's leaves?



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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
    #23534384 - 08/12/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Probably stressed out.


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23535628 - 08/12/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Is there any way I can relieve the stress?


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
    #23535765 - 08/12/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey man im pointing out the obvious. I know nothing about salvia. Im afraid to even breathe on mine that i may kill it. Goodluck. Others will know what to do.


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23537860 - 08/13/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey man im pointing out the obvious. I know nothing about salvia. Im afraid to even breathe on mine that i may kill it. Goodluck. Others will know what to do.



I know how you feel, I've revived this one twice from the dead. Once for over nutrients, and another for changing the environment. Good luck with your plant :smile:


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
    #23537889 - 08/13/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Likewise man. Sally is strange and this time around ive let her be and left her in relative himidity and she is okay. Not thw best but ok.


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23538816 - 08/13/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Did you currently move her or do anything else to change it's surrounding?

Salvia doesn't like change and sometimes slightest changes will make these plants she'd all their leaves. Not sire exactly why.

Other than that it could be a water issue, it seems like you have enough drainage in your soil but are you watering it too often?
You want the soil to be pretty dry in between waterings, if the soil stays constantly wet your roots will suffocate and become rotten (root rot).

Have you had any drops or rises in temperature in the plants surroundings?  That could also cause this.

I'd just make sure you're not over watering and leave her be and see if she adjusts to what ever stressed her out.


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
    #23539071 - 08/13/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Did you currently move her or do anything else to change it's surrounding?

Salvia doesn't like change and sometimes slightest changes will make these plants she'd all their leaves. Not sire exactly why.

Other than that it could be a water issue, it seems like you have enough drainage in your soil but are you watering it too often?
You want the soil to be pretty dry in between waterings, if the soil stays constantly wet your roots will suffocate and become rotten (root rot).

Have you had any drops or rises in temperature in the plants surroundings?  That could also cause this.

I'd just make sure you're not over watering and leave her be and see if she adjusts to what ever stressed her out.




She's been sitting in her pot in that spot for at least 3 months now. I know that we're getting hotter in the desert, but she's inside my room with a/c so I don't see why she should be stressed. As for watering I usually let he dry as I stick my finger in her soil and make sure it's not wet. I'll update later with what happens, I just want her to have a good life and grow bushy and look like a plant :frown:


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
    #23539118 - 08/13/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Are the leaves turning a noticeable yellow at any time during this stage, or do they just get brown and dried and fall off?

If they're yellowing it might be a sign they need some fertilizer with nitrogen.
Be very careful with fertilizers any fertilizer you use on salvia use ¼ the recommended amount or even less, it's easy to feed more but detrimental to feed less.

If you don't suspect it to be nutrient deficient then my next suggest would be to implement a artificial light source for her.
How many hours of day does she get light in the window?

Only other thing I can think of would be a pH problem. Salvia likes slightly acidic soil, if you have a pH test kit test your water you give the plant, if it's too alkaline it will cause nutrient lock, meaning the plant won't uptake certain nutrients even if they're available.
If the soil is overly acidic that too could be a problem, I think on the scale of 10, 10 being highly alkaline, salvia prefers around 4-5, I could be wrong on that but that's the relative range.

I'd worry about the pH lastly. Process of elimination, only implement one thing at a time to see what helps or if it makes it worse,  it will help diagnosing the problem.


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
    #23539147 - 08/13/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Also it can get really hot by the window if the sun is at a high point and shining directly on it, it could be getting too hot, check those temperatures during the peak time if there's too much flucuatuon or if the heat exceeds 90degrees farenhiet then it may be the cause of this.


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
    #23539734 - 08/14/16 02:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

that window spot looks like the sun might be too much especially when behind glass if the sun hits it it will burn your Salvia. I would put a humidity dome over it for a while and do some foliar feeding with some organic fertilizer and also make sure it doesn't sit in direct sunlight especially behind a window... i would also take a clone or two just in case and try to root that under a humidity dome as well. good luck. idk what else to say... that's what I would do...


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
    #23540196 - 08/14/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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that window spot looks like the sun might be too much especially when behind glass if the sun hits it it will burn your Salvia. I would put a humidity dome over it for a while and do some foliar feeding with some organic fertilizer and also make sure it doesn't sit in direct sunlight especially behind a window... i would also take a clone or two just in case and try to root that under a humidity dome as well. good luck. idk what else to say... that's what I would do...



I've tried to do a cutting from her before but ended up dying in my greenhouse. How do you recommend I take the cutting this time?


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
    #23540326 - 08/14/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just cut a decent sized branch at a 45 degree angle with a sterile and sharp razor or scissors, place it in a glass of water with the bottom 1 inch or so submerged.
Get a small zip lock back or clear plastic bottle and make a humidity dome to help the clone since it will be weak when you take it.

I know you didn't ask me but it's basic technique so you can get started as soon as possible.

What about the window sitatuion how much direct sun does she get for how long and can you measure the temps right against the glass from inside the house possibly?


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
    #23540767 - 08/14/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I really think it's the sun and the window, I had plants before next to a window and they would get hit by the sun for a little while during the day , but it was enough to actually burn them even if it wasn't really hot weather.

You can either make a clone like Impared420 said or you can stick it in soil from the beginning. Cut below a node and leave at least a node with 2 leaves above the ground. wet throughly then cover with a dome (bag plastic bottle, glass dome, whatever). Once a day i remove the dome and mist/water the clone. You can even do foliar feeding. That's pretty much it. I let mine covered for about a week then slowly take the dome off over the course of the second week, first just a few minutes then slowly increase the time. Honestly I have about 99% success cloning. rarely I have a clone that doesn't make it.


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
    #23543038 - 08/15/16 06:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That's pretty weird, I've got a friend who is into growing plants who looked after some of my salvia cuttings (I propagated a single specimen I received years ago a lot of times), and he reported having difficulties keeping them alive while I have grown them at 4 different homes and I just treat them very basically, I don't train them when I put a cutting outside etc.

I have done that (using a dome to gradually let a salvia d acclimatize etc), but stopped when I noticed that they seem like pretty hardy mofo's to me.

Yeah occasionally I have one that is not doing so well, sometimes neglected a bit too much regarding atmosphere rather than care which is usually fine.

So I have no idea why an experienced grower would consider them tough to keep alive unless it is a completely different climate that they don't like. But on the other hand, I think I'm an ok grower but I've messed up plenty of things so I doubt that I have a whole bunch of them flourish just because I'm giving them specialized care or use specific materials..

Inconsistent, right? - so that's what's weird imo


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: impaired420]
    #23543288 - 08/15/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Just cut a decent sized branch at a 45 degree angle with a sterile and sharp razor or scissors, place it in a glass of water with the bottom 1 inch or so submerged.
Get a small zip lock back or clear plastic bottle and make a humidity dome to help the clone since it will be weak when you take it.

I know you didn't ask me but it's basic technique so you can get started as soon as possible.

What about the window sitatuion how much direct sun does she get for how long and can you measure the temps right against the glass from inside the house possibly?



Just started measuring window temperature, parts of the plant get about 5 hrs of direct sunlight. I'll get a cutting going soon.


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Mrvince]
    #23543725 - 08/15/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Have you moved the plant to a different area or changed the temperature or humidity in the room it sits in? Have you recently cranked up the AC for summer?
Have you checked if it is root bound again? How often do you water it? This could be a sign of root damage.


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Oggy]
    #23543999 - 08/15/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

5 hours of direct sunlight is too much for salvia!!!  and behind the window even if you put the AC on it is too much and it will burn. Salvia doesn't like direct sunlight. so yeah....


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: Oggy]
    #23544388 - 08/15/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Have you moved the plant to a different area or changed the temperature or humidity in the room it sits in? Have you recently cranked up the AC for summer?
Have you checked if it is root bound again? How often do you water it? This could be a sign of root damage.



I'll move it off of the top and onto the ground. Yes we have started using the AC for the recent days, I don't think it's root bound again. How would I check that? I water it once I stick my finger in the soil and it feels dry so maybe once a week.


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Re: Sally Plant keeps dropping leaves too much sun? [Re: amonra]
    #23544394 - 08/15/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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5 hours of direct sunlight is too much for salvia!!!  and behind the window even if you put the AC on it is too much and it will burn. Salvia doesn't like direct sunlight. so yeah....



I've pulled down the blinds a bit so it wont hit her directly, but I'll move her to the floor. Also the thermometer on the window says the highest of 96 :/


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