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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23642583 - 09/13/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@brk,

don't know who assante or ythan are, let alone wish to hand them over the BIG BIG MONEY.  why is it that you trust them more than the speaker?




Because the speaker is a fucking nutcase.

I think it's fair to say we all subjectively think this thread is ridiculous

And you've only got like four members max calling you out, only because we want to see you're insane responses. Everyone else is either ignoring this shit or watching the shit storm from afar.

4 people is far from an expanded idea


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23642584 - 09/13/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Unh huh. Right.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Great Scott]
    #23642595 - 09/13/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Has OP linked anything anywhere?

I mean, this is obviously a puppet troll game but I'm curious what cult they are pretending to be a part of?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23642599 - 09/13/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@modestmouse,

indeed.  did you hear that sirs?  a question has been put:

why is psychedelic consumption a requirement to this challenge?  do you feel as though the writings are not explanatory enough on their own?  that some mind altering chemical must be consumed to somehow drive the message home?  let's go into it sir. 

firstly, it's important that we not concentrate on what the speaker feels, thinks or believes.  belief is not discernment.  opinion is not fact.  it matters not what the speaker asserts but rather what we discern collectively.  so the speaker will never assert opinion, or belief.  we will, together, create the fabric of concept with the thread of logic.  and if we don't agree on something, then we don't move forward until we find the answer.  is this fair sir?  if this is fair we can begin to answer your question.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23642606 - 09/13/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You are typing a whole lot without saying very much, most if not all your words are "filler" words.

What you said.

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it's important that we no not concentrate on what the speaker feels, thinks or believes.  belief is not discernment.  opinion is not fact.  it matters not what the speaker asserts but rather what we discern collectively.  so the speaker will never assert opinion, or belief.  we will, together, create the fabric of concept with the thread of logic




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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23642672 - 09/13/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@goldcaphunter,

yes, that's it!  at first this thread might be hated by those who don't understand it.  it is designed to draw out the compulsive angry responses first as a means of exemplifying the nature of compulsion and preconception.  the more you call the speaker insane, nutcase, ridiculous etc, the more bricks the speaker has to build a model of the protective nature of the i process. 

but none of this will make sense to you until you understand the speaker's vocabulary.  and to understand the speaker's vocabulary, you must open yourselves up to earnest dialog.  to open yourselves up to earnest dialog you must understand the speaker's vocabulary...  so you are caught.  and all you can do is defend your initial subjective stance which exemplifies the nature of the protective i process.  so you are unknowingly demonstrating the first point in the metaconcept.  at some point this will click for somebody, surely, and they will see what the speaker is doing.  it's far from insane...

now, shall we discuss together earnestly the first part of the metaconcept or are you still compelled to assert opinion?  remember, asserting opinion represents only a portion of the integrated whole.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23642707 - 09/13/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ythan and Asante run this site. They are trustworthy, give them your money.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: TNK]
    #23642716 - 09/13/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@thenaturekid,

no sir, the speaker is saying a great deal but it's going right over your head.  go slowly.  ask questions if it seems like filler.  each word has been chosen carefully.  the speaker is building to a much greater concept but first we must together understand the relationship between a few concepts.  the metaconcept will emerge from the cumulative relationships BETWEEN these concepts.  this might seem a little outside of what you're used to, but it's there.  maybe you're used to a conversation going like this,

"no it's not!"
"yeah it is!"
"no it's not!"
"yeah it is!"
 
that is not earnest communion.  that is mutual assertion.  reality is found in relationship, never in isolation.  so when we meet duality in a relationship, that is, when we present conflicting ideas, we recognize that one or both of us are seeing a skewed version of reality and we must discern to find what is real.  so duality in relationship, is the key through which reality is unlocked.  it's vital.  but most see it as time to escalate emotionally, label, or retreat.  instead the speaker is asking for communion. 

let's just start with something easy.  sir what divides belief from discernment?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: brk]
    #23642735 - 09/13/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@brk,

ythan or asante can have the money if one is universally discerned as the winner.  as could you.  but as of now, i've never spoken to either of them.  now you have three options sir:

1.  label the speaker out of fear.
2.  run from the conversation out of fear.
3.  drop your subjective barriers and discuss openly with the speaker to find out if there is truly any validity to what is being presented.

belief and discernment sir.  what divides them?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23642773 - 09/13/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Discernment and belief are not categorically similar actions. Belief is what follows discernment, after you discern a situation, you render a belief based on the assessment.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23642791 - 09/13/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Neither of which are universally true, a belief can be a mistaken truth, and as for logic, it is a fickle thing and can only be ascertained from perspective.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23642805 - 09/13/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@goldcaphunter,

yes, that's it!  at first this thread might be hated by those who don't understand it.  it is designed to draw out the compulsive angry responses first as a means of exemplifying the nature of compulsion and preconception.  the more you call the speaker insane, nutcase, ridiculous etc, the more bricks the speaker has to build a model of the protective nature of the i process. 

but none of this will make sense to you until you understand the speaker's vocabulary.  and to understand the speaker's vocabulary, you must open yourselves up to earnest dialog.  to open yourselves up to earnest dialog you must understand the speaker's vocabulary...  so you are caught.  and all you can do is defend your initial subjective stance which exemplifies the nature of the protective i process.  so you are unknowingly demonstrating the first point in the metaconcept.  at some point this will click for somebody, surely, and they will see what the speaker is doing.  it's far from insane...

now, shall we discuss together earnestly the first part of the metaconcept or are you still compelled to assert opinion?  remember, asserting opinion represents only a portion of the integrated whole.




So you saying we should just call bullshit on the whole challeng? To disagree with everything until we can draw our own conclusions.

And to never voice your own opinion to let others do the same.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: TNK]
    #23642855 - 09/13/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@modestmouse,

surely it matters not what word we attach to the meaning.  what matters with regard to successful communication is that we share both the word and its associated meaning.  that way we can build to greater concepts.  so for the demonstration of this point we will need to find a word that describes the revelation or comprehension of fact and a word that describes assumption not necessarily rooted in fact, or adherence to/acceptance of an idea based on authority.  to the speaker, discernment, is the act of revealing the obscure, the act of uncovering truth, and belief is authoritative conceptualization not necessarily rooted in fact.  perhaps we could reference the literal definitions to see if we can find common ground:

belief:

1.  something believed; an opinion or conviction:
2.  confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof:
3. confidence; faith; trust:
4. religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith

discernment:

1.  the quality of being able to grasp and comprehend what is obscure.     

to discern:
1.  to perceive by the sight or some other sense or by the intellect; see, recognize, or apprehend:
2.  to distinguish mentally; recognize as distinct or different; discriminate:
3.  to distinguish or discriminate.

could we begin here sir?  are we in the agreement with these literal definitions of belief and discernment?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] * 1
    #23642877 - 09/13/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I see where you are going with that, trying to seperate a deduced fact (discernment) from a belief. You may call the concept a discernment if you like, I follow.

A belief is not universally agreed upon as true, a discernment is universally agreed upon as true given that the steps of specific deduction of the subject are followed by all.



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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23642881 - 09/13/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@goldcaphunter,

no sir.  to suggest the challenge is bullshit is to approximate a movement.  to suggest that one should disagree with everything is authoritative.  authority destroys reality. 

the speaker is not suggesting that one does not voice their opinion but rather discern what is the very nature of opinion.  not some particular opinion, but opinion mechanically, opinion abstractly.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: TNK]
    #23642890 - 09/13/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@thenaturekid,

that's it!  neither of which are universally true in that what seems like a discernment to the speaker may indeed be a belief, but without the duality of relationship to challenge the validity of ones understanding, one's perception could perpetually exist in error.  so then we see that relationship, in a sense, acts as a mirror through which the self is revealed. are we together sir?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23642908 - 09/13/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You are a fool.

If you are for real in whatever quest it is, it is a fools errand.

None can hope to understand the truth of existence.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: TNK] * 1
    #23642919 - 09/13/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:dealwithwhat: Not even some preachy guy on the internet?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: brk] * 1
    #23642922 - 09/13/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is just a bunch of shitty, hippy nonsense.


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    #23642924 - 09/13/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And Timothy Leary's disciples gathered and broke sheets and said "this is my tab, may it be given unto you that you may become spun". :toomuchacid:


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