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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Great Scott]
#23585896 - 08/28/16 05:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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@peyotezen,
Sir to classify something as whole lotta garble or new age bullshit, is to encapsulate meaning with a term. To encapsulate meaning with a term is to destroy its reality. That is the meaning is not static, but the encapsulation is. So to view reality through encapsulations is to limit understanding.
Now there are two reasons one encapsulates meaning with terms, communication and identification. That is one must approximate the movement of this conversation for the purpose of asserting ones subjectivity. They say new age bullshit or garble. And through those terms actuality is limited to a subjective definition. Then there is identification. That is, the self is the product of relationship. The self is relationship. Relationship between the perceiver and the perceived. The perceiver, the self, is composed entirely of relative approximations, which are encapsulations of meaning. That is peyote zen is the cumulative effect of his terms. He is the garble and the rest of it.
Now to understand truly what is reality is not to assert ones subjective stance. Not to label identify and communicate approximations but to understand fully the entirety of the integration. That there is subjectivity which mechanically is the I process, and assertion which destroys reality. To discern the full mate of the integration is to find reality sir.
Now sir, can you look to the speaker not through the images of your past, your preconceptions, but instead see the speaker as he actually is? Can you do that sir?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23587089 - 08/28/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You've repeated a few times, something along the lines of once a concept has been encapsulated by a term, the reality of the concept is destroyed.
Are you certain this is always the case? It doesn't seem to be. Once a concept has a word to define it, I agree some people may judge a concept by its name, but I don't see how this will destroy the concept. It seems like as long as you are aware of this effect, you can constantly change your understanding of the term, even rename it if you desire, thereby making the encapsulation no longer static, and allowing it to be fluid, as the concept is.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Svetaketu]
#23629936 - 09/09/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@svetaletu,
That's it! The encapsulation destroys reality when it is not pliable. Now your post elicits the question: does meaning encapsulated by a term increase in its rigidity? That is, when meaning is labelled with a word or image does it remain as pliable as it is as part of the unsegregated integration?
Now what do we mean by the unsegregated integration? Surely we can agree that all people, things and ideas when undefined exists as a flowing integration. Then, the mind segregates components of the integration through terming. Terming is done for two reasons. To communicate and to identify. Otherwise the integrated meaning flows by unnoticed. That is, when the what is is not encapsulated by definition, for the purpose of ideological distribution or approximation it remains in motion, pliable. But the moment the self identifies as being of a fixed relationship to a person, thing or idea there comes the concept of the centre, the I, which is illusory. So in that sense encapsulation destroys reality.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23629946 - 09/09/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Great Scott]
#23630077 - 09/09/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@peyotezen,
Well hello good sir! Now, are we still together?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] 1
#23630145 - 09/09/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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No sir, I don't join cults. Best of luck with your recruitment campaign, though.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Great Scott]
#23630164 - 09/09/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Liar. shroomery is a Magic mushroom CULTivation messageboard.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: PartoftheSource]
#23630173 - 09/09/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah well I'm not joining any more.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Great Scott]
#23630195 - 09/09/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fair enough. You know how to do our cult gang sign, dont'cha?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: PartoftheSource]
#23630208 - 09/09/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I sure do.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Great Scott] 3
#23630247 - 09/09/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: PartoftheSource]
#23639017 - 09/12/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@partofthesource,
that's right sir, the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE is as much of a cult as is this forum. for a cult is composed of not one but two exploiters. that is, the pupil and the leader mutually exploit. don't they sir? the leader exploits the pupil, taking their money, their time, their minds, and the pupil exploits the leader by taking from them elements of belief. so surely this is not a cult. the speaker is taking nothing from you and offering nothing in return. we are merely having a discussion. there is no dependency or exploitation one way or another.
now certainly in the cult, both the leader and the pupil are confused aren't they sir? for one seeks a leader only when they are in a state of confusion, and so, the leader themselves must also be confused. isn't that so sir?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23639036 - 09/12/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23639055 - 09/12/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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DinduNuffin said: @partofthesource,
that's right sir, the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE is as much of a cult as is this forum. for a cult is composed of not one but two exploiters. that is, the pupil and the leader mutually exploit. don't they sir? the leader exploits the pupil, taking their money, their time, their minds, and the pupil exploits the leader by taking from them elements of belief. so surely this is not a cult. the speaker is taking nothing from you and offering nothing in return. we are merely having a discussion. there is no dependency or exploitation one way or another.
now certainly in the cult, both the leader and the pupil are confused aren't they sir? for one seeks a leader only when they are in a state of confusion, and so, the leader themselves must also be confused. isn't that so sir?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23639068 - 09/12/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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He's a guru.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23639310 - 09/12/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@spirit_shadow,
one becomes the teacher or the student only through the movement of approximation. that is, if we converse without definitions, without forming preconceptions about our relative relationship, then we relate free of exploitation. and that is how the speaker meets you sirs. not through some statically affixed presupposed relationship, but in earnest pliability.
so the speaker and the sirs are neither teachers nor students. we are just discussing, free of the infringements of self approximation. is that not so sir?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23639313 - 09/12/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@peyotezen,
surely the guru is just as confused as the man who seeks to be led. is that not so sir?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23640208 - 09/12/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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spirit_shadow said:
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DinduNuffin said: @partofthesource,
that's right sir, the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE is as much of a cult as is this forum. for a cult is composed of not one but two exploiters. that is, the pupil and the leader mutually exploit. don't they sir? the leader exploits the pupil, taking their money, their time, their minds, and the pupil exploits the leader by taking from them elements of belief. so surely this is not a cult. the speaker is taking nothing from you and offering nothing in return. we are merely having a discussion. there is no dependency or exploitation one way or another.
now certainly in the cult, both the leader and the pupil are confused aren't they sir? for one seeks a leader only when they are in a state of confusion, and so, the leader themselves must also be confused. isn't that so sir?
Everyone here is both teacher and student.....know where you're at 
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter] 1
#23640222 - 09/12/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter]
#23641545 - 09/13/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@goldcaphunter,
sir one only becomes the student or the teacher through the process of approximation. when there is earnest discussion between minds there is no approximative labelling of position. there is no hierarchy. there is simply dialog. don't you see this sir?
put differently, when one approaches a conversation through the veil of presupposition, that one is teaching and the other learning, that one should conform and the other should assert, communion is destroyed. when there is presupposition there is no sensitivity to the real. does this not make sense to you sir?
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