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    #23707552 - 10/04/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23709732 - 10/05/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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@spiritshadow,

Sir, when one makes a choice, from what set of options do they choose?  When one goes to communicate from where do they pull their words?  Certainly the speaker speaks English as that is the language he is familiar with.  That much is quite clear.  But what is not clear are the more subtle layers of this effect. That is, one chooses from within the known.  One cannot choose from outside the understood set of options. So when you choose, experience chooses, on evey level from language to timing to the specifics.

Is that not it sir?  Is it not that experience chooses when we say we choose?



Yes but I still stand by my previous statement. Even if there are multiple layers it is still not necessary to live. If ignorance is bliss then I might as well be as ignorant as possible.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23720055 - 10/08/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! *DELETED* [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23732774 - 10/12/16 10:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23732812 - 10/12/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Of course because what good would that transcendence do besides grant you self gratification?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23758220 - 10/21/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

@spiritshadow,

so then that becomes our question sir.  must transcendence result in self gratification? 

now to answer that, we must first consider what is expectation.  for if one transcends in the absence of expectation, there is also no relief.  is that not so sir?  that is, if one lives in the shadow of, 'i must transcend' until there is the experience of transcendence there is a void.  but if one does not create this void of expectation, there is simply then transcendence, free of gratification.  isn't that it sir?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23758574 - 10/21/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So u must transcend without the desire or end goal of transcend? It has to come natural right?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23758779 - 10/21/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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@spiritshadow,

so then that becomes our question sir.  must transcendence result in self gratification? 

now to answer that, we must first consider what is expectation.  for if one transcends in the absence of expectation, there is also no relief.  is that not so sir?  that is, if one lives in the shadow of, 'i must transcend' until there is the experience of transcendence there is a void.  but if one does not create this void of expectation, there is simply then transcendence, free of gratification.  isn't that it sir?



Then what is the point of transcendence then? Is transcendence itself really transcendence? What if I like the void?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23774829 - 10/26/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

@spiritshadow, @logical_Chaos,

sirs, is it not that transcendence, the moment it becomes labelled - ceases to be that thing?  that is, the moment the movement of transcendence is packaged up into some word, into some definition, it ceases to that movement.  so when we say transcendence we must not be talking about some predetermined state, some expectation, some definition.  that implies the known, and the known is the past.  transcendence is not the past.  transcendence is perceiving free of the past, which is actuality.  so to find reality, which is transcendence, one must perceive free of the past. 

are we together so far sirs?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23774897 - 10/26/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ok
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@spiritshadow, @logical_Chaos,

sirs, is it not that transcendence, the moment it becomes labelled - ceases to be that thing?  that is, the moment the movement of transcendence is packaged up into some word, into some definition, it ceases to that movement.  so when we say transcendence we must not be talking about some predetermined state, some expectation, some definition.  that implies the known, and the known is the past.  transcendence is not the past.  transcendence is perceiving free of the past, which is actuality.  so to find reality, which is transcendence, one must perceive free of the past. 

are we together so far sirs?



Perceiving free of the past? Your mind is automatic in the way it associates memory and reality. Now you can consume psychedelics to break down that natual filter which is a good first step but you still have memories to deal with. So how do you deal with all memories? How do you remove them from this equation?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23774915 - 10/26/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

And no, anything can be given a label. I can call a turtle a baseball but it would still be a turtle.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23774966 - 10/26/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

@spiritshadow,

memories are interests.  we have many interests.  most of the time we consider only the primary interest.  that is, the interest that we are considering linguistically/tangibly in our thoughts.  but there are many subtle and pronounced interests.  most of which remain buried until brought into being through association.  that is, we have many memories, ideas, opinions, and so on, but they are not actively considered when they are not applicable to experience. 

now memories, shape our unfolding perception of environment to some extent don't they sir?  that is, we meet life through our learned set of definitions.  we meet challenges through our scope of learned approaches.  so our perception is shaped under the pressure of the past. 

we are together so far sir?  yes?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23774995 - 10/26/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

"To me, Krishnamurti is playing exactly the same game as all those ugly saints in the market whom we have in the world today. Krishnamurti's teaching is phony baloney. There is nothing to his teaching at all, and he cannot produce anything at all. A person may listen to him for sixty, seventy or a hundred years, but nothing will ever happen to that man, because the whole thing is phony. Here's a mere wordsmith. He has created a new trap.

These gurus are the worst egotists the world has ever seen. All gurus are welfare organizations providing petty experiences to their followers. The guru game is a profitable industry: try and make two million dollars a year any other way. Even JK, who claims he has no possessions, is the president of an eighty-million-dollar empire."

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Middleman]
    #23775045 - 10/26/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

@middleman,

now what is a quotation sir?  hmm?  is it truth?  to the speaker, there is only truth in logic, not authority.  so the authority of a name that can be tied to a quotation means only that the one projecting it, does so at the expense of his own understanding. 

sir, let's not concern ourselves with KRISHNAMURTIs.  KRISHNAMURTI was no guru.  he was no leader.  he had nothing to give other than what is inside all of us.  so let's not concern ourselves with him.  let's see instead, if we can find the nature of reality, and so dissolve conflict. 

can we do that sir, can we dissolve conflict by discerning actuality?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23775946 - 10/27/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It doesnt matter, my point is this is all transient, there is no point to transcend, I like where im at. Id rather be a blissful idiot than a lonly scholar.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23790113 - 10/31/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

@spiritshadow, @sirs,

surely sir, there is too the lonely idiot and a blissful scholar?  surely the idiot's loneliness is not so much a direct response to his idiocy, but rather his circumstances and perspective.  just as is the case for the blissful or lonely scholar.  circumstances and perspective bring out the adjective sir. 

now you learned to walk didn't you sir?  you troubled yourself that far.  you learned to shit and piss in the appropriate receptacles and your efforts went mostly unnoticed.  so maybe you should draw the line?!!  hmm?  is that what you think sir? 

now, you've learned language, and the concept of yourself.  and so you approximate.  that is, you define yourself as 'the guy who would rather be the this, than the that' and through this you meet life.  but that is not reality is it sir?  it is an image. 

and through this image you meet the speaker.  your predefinitions.  your conclusions.  and so we never meet one another in communion.  without communion sir, we don't find reality, we don't find truth. 

sir, what if there was a relatively simple universally discernible concept that would dissolve conflict across the world, inwardly and outwardly.  would you be interested even slightly?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23790684 - 11/01/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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@spiritshadow, @sirs,

surely sir, there is too the lonely idiot and a blissful scholar?  surely the idiot's loneliness is not so much a direct response to his idiocy, but rather his circumstances and perspective.  just as is the case for the blissful or lonely scholar.  circumstances and perspective bring out the adjective sir. 

now you learned to walk didn't you sir?  you troubled yourself that far.  you learned to shit and piss in the appropriate receptacles and your efforts went mostly unnoticed.  so maybe you should draw the line?!!  hmm?  is that what you think sir? 

now, you've learned language, and the concept of yourself.  and so you approximate.  that is, you define yourself as 'the guy who would rather be the this, than the that' and through this you meet life.  but that is not reality is it sir?  it is an image. 

and through this image you meet the speaker.  your predefinitions.  your conclusions.  and so we never meet one another in communion.  without communion sir, we don't find reality, we don't find truth. 

sir, what if there was a relatively simple universally discernible concept that would dissolve conflict across the world, inwardly and outwardly.  would you be interested even slightly?



We are all going to die. That is a fact. So what does it matter? What is the point? To feel good?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23790972 - 11/01/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

@spiritshadow,

conflict sir.  the only 'point' is dissolving conflict.  internally there is conflict.  it presents as anger, jealously, greed, acquisitiveness and more subtly as preconception.  externally there is conflict too.  and surely external conflict is more defined. 

to feel good, is to approximate the self.  to be free of approximation is bliss.  is that not so sir?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23790991 - 11/01/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

But what if there is no conflict, or more abstractly what if the conflict is desired?

Edit: no matter how you look at it we are all not equal. One mans heaven could very well be another mans hell.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23791325 - 11/01/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

@spiritshadow,

equality implies comparison.  comparison requires some scale of measurement.  we impose comparison onto perception and the result of which is preconception.  so the question becomes can you see without preconception?  can you see what is without imposing these static definitions? 

then there is there is the question of whether or not one desires conflict.  did you hear that sirs?  this is a very important question.  that is, this question has a certain integral significance to the problem of reality.  we are going to have to look at this problem quite earnestly.  quite carefully. 

sir, why does one seek out conflict?


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