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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23670617 - 09/23/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Can we reach an agreements sir, on what exactly seperates the classic burger from the mcdouble sir? Is the mcdouble not simply twice the burger as a regular one is sir?



Ah but do you see, sir? Is it not the patty that makes the burger or is it the bun? I for one believe it is the synchronization of all the ingredients that make a burger.




@spiritshadow,

sir what is belief and what is discernment?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23670681 - 09/23/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@modestmouse, @spiritshadow,

sirs, to discern that which divides the mcdouble from the classic cheeseburger, we must consider what divides them mechanically, fundamentally, and not subjectively.  that is, if one asserts which burger, to them, is more desirable, that desire is established through approximating each burger to points on a continuum, two points on a scale of measurement.  if that scale of measurement is of one's subjective past, surely then the mechanical separation between burgers will not be discerned. 

now sirs, can we agree that the mcdouble is a cheeseburger with two patties and one slice of cheese, whereas the classic cheeseburger is a mcdouble minus one patty? 

and if that is so, then what sirs, is the double cheeseburger?  to the speaker, it seems that the double cheeseburger is a cheeseburger with two patties and two pieces of cheese?  is that it sirs?  are we together so far?





Ok, now its just getting silly :lol:

But i see the mechanical, fundamental differences between the burgers now :thumbup:

In this sense, value attributed to the burgers is directly related to what a burger has.

Could value be determined by this, the absence or presence of valuable objects?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23670706 - 09/23/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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spirit_shadow said:
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Can we reach an agreements sir, on what exactly seperates the classic burger from the mcdouble sir? Is the mcdouble not simply twice the burger as a regular one is sir?



Ah but do you see, sir? Is it not the patty that makes the burger or is it the bun? I for one believe it is the synchronization of all the ingredients that make a burger.




@spiritshadow,

sir what is belief and what is discernment?



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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] * 1
    #23671045 - 09/23/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@monkey_mine,

so we see that thought, action and perception, which are one, compose the fabric of the what is.  but there is then the matter of relationship.  certainly there is no thought without relationship.  no action without relationship.  and no perception without relationship.  in fact, to be, which is to think, act and perceive, is to relate.  so the very movement of thought, action and perception is relationship.  so then sir, it could be said that thought, action, perception, and relationship are, in fact, one movement, is that it sir? 




Not sure what you mean by movement. Otherwise, it makes sense to me that to "be" (to think act and perceive) is to relate. So thinking acting and perceiving are three ways of relating. I had not thought of relating as a movement. Is that what you mean?

Action I can see as a movement. Thought too. Thought moves along in it's way. Perception is harder for me to think of as movement. Ok. now I see it. Perception is the movement of information. We move information from outside to inside, or from the unknown to the known. From one category to another category.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: monkey_mine]
    #23671116 - 09/23/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@monkey_mine,

indeed!  to think, act and perceive is relationship. and relationship as a movement, that is, not in the particular but in the abstract, is an integration, is both a means and an ends.  relationship is to think, act, and feel.  relationship across all axes, even time.  not in the immediate relationship with the person, the object, the concept, but mechanically how the concept of relationship interacts with thought, action and perception. 

and this relationship can be observed on every level.  the relationship to one's self.  the relationship to environment.  the relationship to another.  relationship, as that which is the cumulative effect of thought, action, and perception. 

so then relationship, the movement, that is, on every level, which is thought, action and perception, is consciousness no?  is that it sir?  is not consciousness the movement of relationship?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23671131 - 09/23/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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DinduNuffin said:
@modestmouse, @spiritshadow,

sirs, to discern that which divides the mcdouble from the classic cheeseburger, we must consider what divides them mechanically, fundamentally, and not subjectively.  that is, if one asserts which burger, to them, is more desirable, that desire is established through approximating each burger to points on a continuum, two points on a scale of measurement.  if that scale of measurement is of one's subjective past, surely then the mechanical separation between burgers will not be discerned. 

now sirs, can we agree that the mcdouble is a cheeseburger with two patties and one slice of cheese, whereas the classic cheeseburger is a mcdouble minus one patty? 

and if that is so, then what sirs, is the double cheeseburger?  to the speaker, it seems that the double cheeseburger is a cheeseburger with two patties and two pieces of cheese?  is that it sirs?  are we together so far?





Ok, now its just getting silly :lol:

But i see the mechanical, fundamental differences between the burgers now :thumbup:

In this sense, value attributed to the burgers is directly related to what a burger has.

Could value be determined by this, the absence or presence of valuable objects?




and sir this not only applies to burgers at mcdonalds, but all burgers!  that is, not just in the particular burger but the burger abstract.  are we together sir?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23671161 - 09/23/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@spirit_shadow,

so then sir, we have cleaved a divide between belief and discernment in the realm of the particular.  but can we find this divide in the abstract?

you see sir, the divide between belief and discernment is evident on every level of consciousness.  what you think of yourself.  what your think of your job.  how you view your friends, your objects etc.  what you decide to do.  what you decide to wear.  what you want.  how you define consciousness.  how much of it is belief?  and how much discernment?  what is left if the belief is removed and just the discernment remains? 

belief skews perception, while discernment, particularly mutual discernment, cleans the lens of perception.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23671406 - 09/23/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

But how does one find discernment in what to wear? Or what to eat?

Can discernment be applied to personal choices that only subtely influence other people?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23671652 - 09/23/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23671664 - 09/23/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@monkey_mine,

indeed!  to think, act and perceive is relationship. and relationship as a movement, that is, not in the particular but in the abstract, is an integration, is both a means and an ends.  relationship is to think, act, and feel.  relationship across all axes, even time.  not in the immediate relationship with the person, the object, the concept, but mechanically how the concept of relationship interacts with thought, action and perception. 

and this relationship can be observed on every level.  the relationship to one's self.  the relationship to environment.  the relationship to another.  relationship, as that which is the cumulative effect of thought, action, and perception. 

so then relationship, the movement, that is, on every level, which is thought, action and perception, is consciousness no?  is that it sir?  is not consciousness the movement of relationship?




I think consciousness itself is bigger than relationship. I think of consciousness as the source, and all our experiences and relationships occur as modifications in consciousness.

As for my own human consciousness, it's always related to some damn thing or another, so yeah my consciousness is always in relationship. Even consciousness without an object, which I have experienced, is a perception. And perception without relationship is like perception without context.

In other words how can I recognize this is different from that, unless I know what that is? Perception of consciousness without an object requires a reality in which objects exist.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23671784 - 09/23/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think my mindcock needs to do some reading and some extracting of some san pedro powder in the near future Learned Dindu!


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: monkey_mine]
    #23671793 - 09/23/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

To attempt to win this challenge is to lose this challenge


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: monkey_mine]
    #23671801 - 09/23/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23671852 - 09/23/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sadly those babies would die from lack of social interaction :sad:


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23671893 - 09/23/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Dindu wanna know a secret? I was planning on consuming psychedelics no matter what lol ill write my report here once I do :thumbup:


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23671922 - 09/23/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

But I mean like...fuck the babies. Self proclaimed enlightenment which is then smeared in the faces of others is much more important than human life :lol: what the hell were you thinking?! What about the babies...you make me laugh


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23671935 - 09/23/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@logicalchaos,

by jove sir!  legally, of course!


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23676043 - 09/25/16 08:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Sadly those babies would die from lack of social interaction :sad:





sir the babies would not die from lack of social interaction alone, but rather lack of environmental integration.  social interaction develops and maintains the i process, but environmental interaction maintains those structure that allow for social interaction to occur.  eating, drinking, breathing, pooping..  etc.  you see sir, we are the environment, and the environment is us on every level.  that is, without relationship, there is no being.  is that not it sir?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23676046 - 09/25/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23676064 - 09/25/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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