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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23663399 - 09/20/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can tell us not to have preconceived ideas all you like, but that in essence is knowledge through experience.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23663401 - 09/20/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@dindu So u gunna give mentalslavery the money? You just said yourself that he was correct.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: monkey_mine]
#23663415 - 09/20/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@monkey_mine,
indeed we are sir. indeed we are.
now, the what is sir, could it be described as thought, action, and perception? that is, can reality be described as the cumulative effect of thought, action, and perception?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: brk]
#23663426 - 09/20/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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brk said: You can tell us not to have preconceived ideas all you like, but that in essence is knowledge through experience.
by jove, go slowly sir! this is not the kardashian show! this is the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! the speaker never said don't make preconceptions, that is absurd! that is a process of the mind. the speaker is discussing the integrated nature of preconception. not telling the sirs to think this way or that. sirs why would you follow anyone telling you what but not why?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter]
#23663434 - 09/20/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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goldcaphunter said: @dindu So u gunna give mentalslavery the money? You just said yourself that he was correct.
the winner must be discerned universally sir. and furthermore, no one has entered the contest. so how can we reach a unanimous agreement about who is the winner?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23663465 - 09/20/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@mental slavery, sorry I didnt mean to reply to you. I agree with what you said
dindunuffin, I don't understand why the real cannot be discerned in isolation. It doesnt matter how many perspectives we've compiled on the duck, they are still only stories. But in isolation you can maybe drop language and experience the real for a moment. I understand your insistence of using cactus tho as it seems to be the easiest pychedelic to achieve that non-labeling state, I guess you could call it the now, for any extended amount of time. I dubbed it first-person living during my last trip. made sense to me in the moment.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: mt cleverest]
#23663480 - 09/20/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@mtcleverest,
try this sir. meditate while you walk. just walk slowly, breath and watch the flow of thought. watch yourself in relation to things. to people. watch the movement of your mind. now watch the movement of your mind in meditative isolation. what is it that divides them sir? what is it that divides meditative isolation and meditative integration?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23663491 - 09/20/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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DinduNuffin said: @monkey_mine,
indeed we are sir. indeed we are.
now, the what is sir, could it be described as thought, action, and perception? that is, can reality be described as the cumulative effect of thought, action, and perception?
I would add relationship sir. Reality = thought, action, and perception in relationship. No one thinks, acts, and perceives in a vacuum.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23663500 - 09/20/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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DinduNuffin said: @mtcleverest,
try this sir. meditate while you walk. just walk slowly, breath and watch the flow of thought. watch yourself in relation to things. to people. watch the movement of your mind. now watch the movement of your mind in meditative isolation. what is it that divides them sir? what is it that divides meditative isolation and meditative integration?
What do you think divides them?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23667133 - 09/22/16 04:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks to a healthy dose of weed, i understand an important aspect of the challenge.
In order to win, the group of people must all agree that ONE person's answer is correct. Thats the impossible part of the challenge. But to us, its not actually impossible, we just precieve it that way.
So, in this sense, no one will win the money UNLESS the entire community works together, toward one goal, with the knowledge that the money will not go to everybody in the group, but rather to one individual, and we as a community would have to remove our selfish desires to benefit just one person. To give up a money prize is very difficult to do.
But they are both means and ends. The individual IS the community and the community is the individual. One of the same. Means and an end. Therefore, by giving up your prize to possibly one person, u are benefit yourself in a very indirect way.
I believe that is one of the main lessons here...
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: monkey_mine]
#23670244 - 09/23/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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monkey_mine said:
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DinduNuffin said: @monkey_mine,
indeed we are sir. indeed we are.
now, the what is sir, could it be described as thought, action, and perception? that is, can reality be described as the cumulative effect of thought, action, and perception?
I would add relationship sir. Reality = thought, action, and perception in relationship. No one thinks, acts, and perceives in a vacuum.
@monkey_mine,
so we see that thought, action and perception, which are one, compose the fabric of the what is. but there is then the matter of relationship. certainly there is no thought without relationship. no action without relationship. and no perception without relationship. in fact, to be, which is to think, act and perceive, is to relate. so the very movement of thought, action and perception is relationship. so then sir, it could be said that thought, action, perception, and relationship are, in fact, one movement, is that it sir?
Edited by DinduNuffin (09/23/16 07:15 AM)
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23670300 - 09/23/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@bohdiofankou, @mt.cleverest,
sirs, what becomes of the man who sits in isolation? surely he, to some extent, minimizes relationship. he more or less eliminates it from the equation of what is. so what remains is thought, action, perception in some muted form of relationship.
we see that thought, action, and perception, which are one, are entirely composed of relationship. that is, to be, in every sense of the word, is to be related. to perceive is to perceive through the veil of one's experiences. to think is to think within the pool of the known. and to act, is to be compelled by understanding. therefore, experiences, the known, and understanding, are residual relationship. so to mute relationship through isolation is to snuff out the blossoming of consciousness.
put differently, consciousness is the flowering movement of relationship. so when relationship is not, the flowering of consciousness is not. so what then does the man in isolation see? certainly he is limited to the known. that is, he is limited to his existing memories, fears, desires and so on. so isolation can be only analysis of the past, never discernment of what is.
now to find what is, which is thought, action, and perception, there must be relationship. for thought, action, and perception ARE residual relationship. so if we cut them off at their source, how are we to discern their nature mechanically? surely all we will see is remnants of the past, and not the actual unfolding of what is. so meditation, cannot be in isolation. meditation must be in relationship.
is that not it sirs?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#23670341 - 09/23/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Thanks to a healthy dose of weed, i understand an important aspect of the challenge.
In order to win, the group of people must all agree that ONE person's answer is correct. Thats the impossible part of the challenge. But to us, its not actually impossible, we just precieve it that way.
So, in this sense, no one will win the money UNLESS the entire community works together, toward one goal, with the knowledge that the money will not go to everybody in the group, but rather to one individual, and we as a community would have to remove our selfish desires to benefit just one person. To give up a money prize is very difficult to do.
But they are both means and ends. The individual IS the community and the community is the individual. One of the same. Means and an end. Therefore, by giving up your prize to possibly one person, u are benefit yourself in a very indirect way.
I believe that is one of the main lessons here...
@logicalchaos,
indeed sir. so we see that the individual is the community, and the community is the individual. and there is the collective environment and the collective consciousness from which comes thought, action and perception. so the means/ends of the community is the individual, and the means/ends of the individual is the community. so we are then one integration. and this is not philosophical acrobatics sirs, this is actual.
but that is not how most of us see it, is it sir? certainly not the man asserting his opinion. certainly not the man labelling components of the integration. certainly not the man at war with his neighbour or himself. certainly these men do not discern the nature of actuality. the man who discerns the nature of actuality sees not his subjectivity, but instead his relationship to the integration.
now, it is entirely possible to WIN THE BIG BIG MONEY. but only when the collective consciousness discerns what is right relationship. now sir, what is right relationship to you sir?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] 1
#23670369 - 09/23/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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DinduNuffin said:
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LogicaL Chaos said: Thanks to a healthy dose of weed, i understand an important aspect of the challenge.
In order to win, the group of people must all agree that ONE person's answer is correct. Thats the impossible part of the challenge. But to us, its not actually impossible, we just precieve it that way.
So, in this sense, no one will win the money UNLESS the entire community works together, toward one goal, with the knowledge that the money will not go to everybody in the group, but rather to one individual, and we as a community would have to remove our selfish desires to benefit just one person. To give up a money prize is very difficult to do.
But they are both means and ends. The individual IS the community and the community is the individual. One of the same. Means and an end. Therefore, by giving up your prize to possibly one person, u are benefit yourself in a very indirect way.
I believe that is one of the main lessons here...
@logicalchaos,
indeed sir. so we see that the individual is the community, and the community is the individual. and there is the collective environment and the collective consciousness from which comes thought, action and perception. so the means/ends of the community is the individual, and the means/ends of the individual is the community. so we are then one integration. and this is not philosophical acrobatics sirs, this is actual.
but that is not how most of us see it, is it sir? certainly not the man asserting his opinion. certainly not the man labelling components of the integration. certainly not the man at war with his neighbour or himself. certainly these men do not discern the nature of actuality. the man who discerns the nature of actuality sees not his subjectivity, but instead his relationship to the integration.
now, it is entirely possible to WIN THE BIG BIG MONEY. but only when the collective consciousness discerns what is right relationship. now sir, what is right relationship to you sir?
Your posts make me want to give homeless people mcdoubles.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23670530 - 09/23/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can we reach an agreements sir, on what exactly seperates the classic burger from the mcdouble sir? Is the mcdouble not simply twice the burger as a regular one is sir?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Sanguin3]
#23670592 - 09/23/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: ModestMouse]
#23670593 - 09/23/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: Can we reach an agreements sir, on what exactly seperates the classic burger from the mcdouble sir? Is the mcdouble not simply twice the burger as a regular one is sir?
Ah but do you see, sir? Is it not the patty that makes the burger or is it the bun? I for one believe it is the synchronization of all the ingredients that make a burger.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: ModestMouse] 2
#23670606 - 09/23/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@modestmouse, @spiritshadow,
sirs, to discern that which divides the mcdouble from the classic cheeseburger, we must consider what divides them mechanically, fundamentally, and not subjectively. that is, if one asserts which burger, to them, is more desirable, that desire is established through approximating each burger to points on a continuum, two points on a scale of measurement. if that scale of measurement is of one's subjective past, surely then the mechanical separation between burgers will not be discerned.
now sirs, can we agree that the mcdouble is a cheeseburger with two patties and one slice of cheese, whereas the classic cheeseburger is a mcdouble minus one patty?
and if that is so, then what sirs, is the double cheeseburger? to the speaker, it seems that the double cheeseburger is a cheeseburger with two patties and two pieces of cheese? is that it sirs? are we together so far?
Edited by DinduNuffin (09/23/16 10:13 AM)
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! EARN METAPHORICAL BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23670614 - 09/23/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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