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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23662139 - 09/20/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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They both describe the same thing and intelligence can be most succinctly described as the ability to do things with the least amount of energy expended. Be it romance, building something, or writing a math test. So no, it isn't relative.




perhaps if we first discern what divides the two words literally, then we will find out what divides them mechanically.  you suggested intelligence is an ability, yes?  let's find out.   

intelligence: the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

smart:  having or showing a quick-witted intelligence.

so is there a difference sir?  it seems one describes an ability while the other refers to a relative approximation.  is that not the case?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23662178 - 09/20/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Your own investment, I dont doubt that you're using all these responses for some sort of personal project and you fully intend on fucking off without any sort of resolution once you have enough material.




It's pretty easy to get in trouble for plagiarism/copyright infringement.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23662252 - 09/20/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@goldcaphunter,

what is plagiarism sir?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23662258 - 09/20/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Everything is abstract. Lables only exist to the lable maker.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23662276 - 09/20/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
They both describe the same thing and intelligence can be most succinctly described as the ability to do things with the least amount of energy expended. Be it romance, building something, or writing a math test. So no, it isn't relative.




perhaps if we first discern what divides the two words literally, then we will find out what divides them mechanically.  you suggested intelligence is an ability, yes?  let's find out.   

intelligence: the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

smart:  having or showing a quick-witted intelligence.

so is there a difference sir?  it seems one describes an ability while the other refers to a relative approximation.  is that not the case?





One is the description of the ability, one is in reference to someones possession of said ability. There doesn't need to be an outside observance to approximate it, although you can compare it to other things.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23662422 - 09/20/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@goldcaphunter,

what is plagiarism sir?




Wow. So we're supposed to believe you're intelligent? Interesting.


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InvisibleDinduNuffin
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23662697 - 09/20/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@goldcaphunter,

oh sir, you are not supposed to believe anything.  belief is merely want.  they are one and the same.  two sides of the same medal.  two points on a continuum, but one movement. 

so it is want sir that determines belief, not the speaker.  that is, you are not supposed to believe anything.  belief is the ends of want.


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InvisibleDinduNuffin
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23662740 - 09/20/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@bodhiofankou,

sir, is there an approximation outside of the approximator?  that is, can there be a perception outside of the perceiver?  can there be a thought without a mind to house it?  certainly there cannot.  so the moment something exists it exists in concept.  that is, the moment the conceiver ceases to be, there is no longer the conceived.  is that not correct sir?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23662748 - 09/20/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

DinduNuffin, you have a whole lot of Nuffin to say, my good sir.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23662768 - 09/20/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@partofthesource,

sir the METACONCEPT is embedded within the syntax of the dialog.  not in what is being said by the speaker.  the speaker is merely the reverberation of experience.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23662796 - 09/20/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

haha, fair enough.

Brainwashing with subliminal syntax deeply encoded into our rhymes with no reason. Words are powerful and spelling brings about spells.

It's like a musician or a DJ spinning philosophy into a barren mind using music without the listener even being aware of it. I call this planting seeds. They take root when it's time. A seed is, metaphorically, an idea and an idea is the most powerful thing in the universe. There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23662866 - 09/20/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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DinduNuffin said:
@bodhiofankou,

sir, is there an approximation outside of the approximator?  that is, can there be a perception outside of the perceiver?  can there be a thought without a mind to house it?  certainly there cannot.  so the moment something exists it exists in concept.  that is, the moment the conceiver ceases to be, there is no longer the conceived.  is that not correct sir?




That is not correct, things can exist outside the approximation of ones mind, and the mind can approximate things that are not really there. I wont even bother with the rest since you failed right off the bat.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] * 2
    #23662950 - 09/20/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I feel that by reading Jiddu Krishnamurti, i will only be intellectually masturbating and making my self feel good by thinking i have gained some insight, but in my experience, it is just that, intellectual masturbation. I can play with these thoughts and "revelations" all i want, but I have never found one speck of transcendence or altered consciousness in contemplation.

Similarly, I feel that psychedelics just provide an outlet to make me feel for a couple moments that i am going somewhere, but then i come down and it's over. I have new thoughts and perspectives, along with new memories, but in the end i am still eating shit off the floor

Idk what the point of my post is

hmmmmm...

have you ever read UG Krishnamurti?


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InvisibleDinduNuffin
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23662967 - 09/20/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@bodhiofankou,

now sir, you must go slowly!  are we not in agreement?  that is, things may exist outside of concept.  perhaps in the memory of another.  but the conceived sir, does not exist outside the conceiver.  the conceived is conceptual sir.  it is not a concrete item.  do you see the subtlety of it sir?  that is, the thing itself, the object, the experience, the person, the concept, might exist without your consideration, but your consideration does not exist without you.  is that not so sir?  does your subjective interpretation exist without you?  certainly they are one and the same.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23662979 - 09/20/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

is it weird that every-time I read your posts I hear the voice of one of the actors from slumdog millionaire?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23662989 - 09/20/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@bodhiofankou,

now sir, you must go slowly!  are we not in agreement?  that is, things may exist outside of concept.  perhaps in the memory of another.  but the conceived sir, does not exist outside the conceiver.  the conceived is conceptual sir.  it is not a concrete item.  do you see the subtlety of it sir?  that is, the thing itself, the object, the experience, the person, the concept, might exist without your consideration, but your consideration does not exist without you.  is that not so sir?  does your subjective interpretation exist without you?  certainly they are one and the same.




Yes. Its just barely there. Sometimes I doubt theres even anything at all.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23663050 - 09/20/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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is it weird that every-time I read your posts I hear the voice of one of the actors from slumdog millionaire?




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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Mental Slavery]
    #23663065 - 09/20/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Mental Slavery said:
I feel that by reading Jiddu Krishnamurti, i will only be intellectually masturbating and making my self feel good by thinking i have gained some insight, but in my experience, it is just that, intellectual masturbation. I can play with these thoughts and "revelations" all i want, but I have never found one speck of transcendence or altered consciousness in contemplation.

Similarly, I feel that psychedelics just provide an outlet to make me feel for a couple moments that i am going somewhere, but then i come down and it's over. I have new thoughts and perspectives, along with new memories, but in the end i am still eating shit off the floor

Idk what the point of my post is

hmmmmm...

have you ever read UG Krishnamurti?




@mental slavery,

sir that is exactly why almost no one understood KRISHNAMURTI!  the mind, in seeing something relatively complex, seeks to approximate that thing with a label.  that is, form an opinion of it.  so that it can either identify with it or communicate it.  not so that it can be understood. 

and surely that is what you have done sir.  you have approximated KRISHNAMURTI, nearly 80 years of discussing a wide variety of topics with a wide variety of people, and you encapsulated it all within the frame of intellectual masturbation. 

understanding is not approximation.  approximation is the indication that there is misunderstanding.  the indication that one only see's one angle in a relatively complex problem.     

and then you approximate psychedelics?!  sir if there is anything out that that is unapproximatable it is psychedelics.  do you realize sir, that in the approximation of psychedelics, you are approximating the entire spectrum of a class of plants/chemicals?  and then again approximating the entire human response?

sir, let's not meet one another with preconceptions.  let's instead meet one another in communion.  let's discern what is real, not assert what is subjective.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23663074 - 09/20/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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DinduNuffin said:
@bodhiofankou,

now sir, you must go slowly!  are we not in agreement?  that is, things may exist outside of concept.  perhaps in the memory of another.  but the conceived sir, does not exist outside the conceiver.  the conceived is conceptual sir.  it is not a concrete item.  do you see the subtlety of it sir?  that is, the thing itself, the object, the experience, the person, the concept, might exist without your consideration, but your consideration does not exist without you.  is that not so sir?  does your subjective interpretation exist without you?  certainly they are one and the same.




Yes. Its just barely there. Sometimes I doubt theres even anything at all.




sir, would you go into it?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23663101 - 09/20/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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is it weird that every-time I read your posts I hear the voice of one of the actors from slumdog millionaire?




certainly sir, that is to be expected!  that is association sir.  the speaker has an indian guys name, dindu nuffin, the speaker has a profile picture that is of an indian man.  surely, inside all of us, there are preconceived associations. 

now, association is approximation.  that is, when one approaches a problem with a bias, they associate, or identify with primarily one element of a problem over the others.  they may be aware of the damage it causes, but will rationalize and justify greater and greater efforts of pursuit as value increases. is that not so sir?


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