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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23658183 - 09/19/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I hope u knew the answer! :lol:

I will get back to on the mechanical part. I accept your metaphorical challenge, for the purpose of universal discernment :yesnod:





@logical chaos,

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: falsereality]
    #23658220 - 09/19/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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now, is it not you sir, that is receiving something of value?  the speaker is not receiving anything of value from you. .




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I see you've edited the OP..........

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I've lol'd at enough of these threads to know it will be metaphorical $$, or some spiritual carrot he waves in front of people.







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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] * 1
    #23658225 - 09/19/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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now @goldcaphunter and the speaker have not compared cocks.  so to definitively discern comparative cock quality is impossible.  but we can, sir, meet together in communion and find out who's mindcock most deeply fucks that slippery whole of universal discernment.




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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23658388 - 09/19/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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now @goldcaphunter and the speaker have not compared cocks.  so to definitively discern comparative cock quality is impossible.  but we can, sir, meet together in communion and find out who's mindcock most deeply fucks that slippery whole of universal discernment.




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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23658504 - 09/19/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@logical chaos,

sir, the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE, THE CHANCE TO WIN BIG BIG MONEY, is a mutual agreement to give away something that can be approximated at $5,000.  but in the event that the winner is not discerned universally, which is the real challenge here, then arguably this CHALLENGE becomes greyish as far as legality in some geographical areas.  so to protect the speaker, it has been stated prior to any entries that breaking any laws excludes entry.  and that the BIG BIG MONEY is metaphorical.  that being said, the speaker has the BIG BIG MONEY and intends to distribute it according to the universal discernment of the group.  but to discern the answer to this we must find the truth of value and the truth of deservedness- and we won't do that if the dialog is being shifted into the realm of accusation.  so that is why the BIG BIG MONEY is metaphorical.



To find the value you would have to percieve vicariously throuh anyone that has anything to do with this challenge.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23658528 - 09/19/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@spiritshadow,

yes, to find value in the realm of the particular one must perceive vicariously.  but that is the subjective approximation of value and not value mechanically.  to find out what is value free of subjectivity one cannot look through the veil of subjective approximation.   

and we are not going to find the true nature of value if we turn this into a game of cock comparison @goldcaphunter.  but you will have to hang with the speaker's dang a lang.  and that does not mean asserting subjective approximations.  it means actually discussing the fundamental mechanics of perception.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23658549 - 09/19/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

We not only can, but have to look through that veil. We have to understand do we not?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23658567 - 09/19/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@spiritshadow,

do we have to look through the veil of subjectivity when we consider, mechanically, the integral nature of a thing?  that is, when we consider the nature of a thing, a concept, a person, with complete consideration of all its relationships to all things, must our subjective tastes influence, or skew our perception?  is that the question sir?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23658583 - 09/19/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I mean we must understand everything about something before we can truly judge it. And to do so one must experience all angles to truly understand said angles.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #23658593 - 09/19/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@spiritshadow,

oh by jove sir that's it!!  now we are really getting to it!! 

to recap, just as the speaker and @goldcaphunter cannot discern who has the bigger mindcock we cannot determine the integral nature of value without the consideration of all aspects of the concept!  oh indeed sir!! 

now, maybe this seems simple to some.  but look at the exploitation, the conflict, the suffering.  both inwardly and outwardly.  so what happens if a community, which is the self, discerns the true nature of value?  that is, the community and the self are not separate.  they are means and ends of the same mechanism.  two sides of the same medal.  one flowing into the other.  so what then is the result of the self, and therefore the community, understanding the integral nature of value?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23658629 - 09/19/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@spiritshadow,

oh by jove sir that's it!!  now we are really getting to it!! 

to recap, just as the speaker and @goldcaphunter cannot discern who has the bigger mindcock we cannot determine the integral nature of value without the consideration of all aspects of the concept!  oh indeed sir!! 

now, maybe this seems simple to some.  but look at the exploitation, the conflict, the suffering.  both inwardly and outwardly.  so what happens if a community, which is the self, discerns the true nature of value?  that is, the community and the self are not separate.  they are means and ends of the same mechanism.  two sides of the same medal.  one flowing into the other.  so what then is the result of the self, and therefore the community, understanding the integral nature of value?



The only way that I can think of to even come close to experiencing all angles is done via imagination, which would be useless because we only have our previous experiences to compare to so.....I have no idea.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! *DELETED* [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23658761 - 09/19/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LoneTripper]
    #23658781 - 09/19/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Asante said:
Asante with 1 S, my good man :sun:

Since you so generously offer earthly wealth in exchange for the generation and testimonials of acquired spiritual wealth, it would be odd to consider association of value the root of evil.

You associate value to Krishnamurti's teachings, to the Mescaline experience and to the insights derived thereof and seek to promote them with the promise of earthly wealth.

The ones who truly get it would testify of their convictions with or without coveting the half-stack of 100s or the pretty gold bar.




@asante,

indeed, asante.  but can we consider it anything else?  for if it was money itself that was the root of evil there would not be exploitation outside of financial interaction.  and surely there are many forms, both subtle and gross, of exploitation.  there is the exploitation of resources, sexual/emotional/interpersonal exploitation, ideological exploitation and so on.  so the root of it must exist outside of money. 

gold is indeed a better idea than straight up dollars.  the speaker was considering bitcoin as a means and transferring the winnings.  but gold is an interesting idea.  but still, as you point out, does not solve the problem of associated value.  what solves the problem of associated value is right interest.  and we can only find right interest in relationship.  that is, fundamentally, the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE. 

now sir, if you don't formally enter, you are now a participant and therefore are entitled to one vote.  the winner must be discerned universally.  this is another layer of the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE.  the very selection of the winner depends on discernment and not belief.  the group, us sir, we have to communicate earnestly, and honestly, and not assert our own subjective ideations.  not assert our own opinions but rather look at a problem integrally.  for when we focus on one side, we don't see the entire object, we don't see the integrated nature of the problem.       

now surely opinion is belief, and belief is the ends of want.  isn't that so sir?  one wants something to be true, for the means of self gratification, or self protection, and therefore one engenders belief.  and the same is true in reverse.  one has a belief and therefore it drives a want.  so want is belief, mechanically they are one movement- merely divided categorically by thought and perception. 

now belief and want are not discernment.  discernment is a different animal altogether.  discernment is the mind functioning outside of its subjective barriers.  universal discernment is the only way a winner here will be selected. 

sir isn't it that duality in relationship is the key which unlocks universal discernment?  that is, when one meets conflict in relationship it is an intimation that perception is skewed?  an indication that one or both parties looks through some image? 

so effectively, relationship is the mirror through which the self is revealed.  isn't that it sir?





Your considering transferring metaphorical bitcoins? Or metaphorical straight up dollars? Lol


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LoneTripper]
    #23658792 - 09/19/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You can never get the Shroomery to agree universally. We have a too wide spectrum opinions, which includes a large number of people who will not change their mind out of principle and these principles point in all directions like the spines of a cactus.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] * 3
    #23658848 - 09/19/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It seems like your writing a book or something inspired by Krishnamurti and are rounding up people to plagiarize over the course of a year (and you DinduNuffin). The original original post before your edit makes no other sense. What is motivating you to do this opposed to just starting a regular discussion with no BIG BIG MONEY or constant repetition...


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23658871 - 09/19/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@spiritshadow said,

'The only way that I can think of to even come close to experiencing all angles is done via imagination, which would be useless because we only have our previous experiences to compare to so.....I have no idea.'

is it not relationship sir?  is it not the mechanical nature of relationship, on all levels, that engenders discernment?  engenders the unveiling of all angles?  is that not it sir? does not relationship between perceivers weaken the subjective lens?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23658905 - 09/19/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@spiritshadow said,

'The only way that I can think of to even come close to experiencing all angles is done via imagination, which would be useless because we only have our previous experiences to compare to so.....I have no idea.'

is it not relationship sir?  is it not the mechanical nature of relationship, on all levels, that engenders discernment?  engenders the unveiling of all angles?  is that not it sir? does not relationship between perceivers weaken the subjective lens?



Yes but again our minds all function in the same manor so even then the experiences are limited. Here is an abstract thought: what if value can not be placed on value because there is no way to discern it on this plane of existance.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] * 1
    #23659059 - 09/19/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@asante, @lonetripper, @sirs/sirsettes,

that's it @asante sir!  that is the whole point of it.  we cannot get this group to agree because of the variance of opinion.  there are too many poles of subjectivity.  too many assertions.  but there is also discernment. 

now what is opinion?  surely discernment is not opinion.  surely mutual discernibility is a movement in the direction of truth as it disrupts subjectivity.  and that is one thing we are doing here sir.  we are cleaving a divide between opinion and fact in a maze that can only be navigated via interpersonal agreement.  that is the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE.  you may call it a metaphor, you may call it a parody, you may call it a CHALLENGE to find out if we can discern the difference between what is actual and what are elements of an illusory self image. 

now to discern the nature of the self, of the i process, one must watch themselves in relationship.  they must interact.  the man in isolation cannot find reality.  so then the nature of the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE is not to win BIG BIG MONEY. but rather to unlock a method of intelligently approaching a problem within a group.  and this is obviously a microcosm of greater society. 

the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLEGE is also, as @asante and some others have pointed out is FULL of contradictions.  one of which being anyone who discerns the true nature of worth would not enter a contest for BIG BIG MONEY.  another being a KRISHNAMURTI like character offering a cash prize for challenge.  that is, someone who is not seeking, who is not compelled, is not going to take a HUGE amount of time to facilitate this type of discussion.  so the entire nature of @dindunuffin is a massive contradiction.  and that is the parody part.  now on to the reality of it... 

we live on a planet full of conflict, inwardly and outwardly.  exploitation.  war.  hunger.  we have the capacity to correct it but instead we fight with one another.  we harm one another.  we exploit one another and acquisitively secure objects or property outside of our needs.  the speaker puts that one may dissolve societal exploitation, dissolve conflict inwardly and outwardly, and thus end all hatred and war. 

you see sirs, the self and the whole are not separate.  one bleeds into the other.  and this fundamental change is real.  whether occurring here one the SHROOMERY or anywhere else.  so if one can change everything can change.  but we must first discern that which divides belief and discernment.

then there is the matter of location.  location.  location.  location.  sirs, it was no accident that this forum was chosen.  to find out what divides belief from discernment, illusion from fact, preconception from reality, one must have a pliable mind.  one that can immediately adjust to an ever shifting reality.  that is why we are here specifically.  you sirs, are comparatively more conscious of the forces of inward and outward authority.  that is, the pressures imposed on you by culture and subsequently ideals and preconception.  you sirs have a great capacity for free, unrestricted thought, which is at the very heart of discernment!  this is not about technical knowledge, this is about knowledge of the self.   

KRISHNAMURTI and the PSYCHEDELIC experience have flirted somewhat, yes.  but they never really... you know, fucked.  and that is yet another layer to this challenge.  its bridging a gap between a 5,000+ year old religious experience, and the literal encapsulation of the unveiling of perception, the lifting of subjective assertion, the ending of compulsion, the dissolution of suffering inside and out. 

realize please sirs, the magnitude of this thing.  the integral significance of it.  see the importance of it.  just look at what our microcosm has produced thus far?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LoneTripper]
    #23659096 - 09/19/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It seems like your writing a book or something inspired by Krishnamurti and are rounding up people to plagiarize over the course of a year (and you DinduNuffin). The original original post before your edit makes no other sense. What is motivating you to do this opposed to just starting a regular discussion with no BIG BIG MONEY or constant repetition...




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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23659141 - 09/19/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@spiritshadow said,

'The only way that I can think of to even come close to experiencing all angles is done via imagination, which would be useless because we only have our previous experiences to compare to so.....I have no idea.'

is it not relationship sir?  is it not the mechanical nature of relationship, on all levels, that engenders discernment?  engenders the unveiling of all angles?  is that not it sir? does not relationship between perceivers weaken the subjective lens?




Thats it!

My anwser to "how does the present self relate to the future self, mechanical" was relationships. But it seems too simple.

But it makes sense. Over time, a Self develops relationships to objects, people, places, concepts, ideas, and over time, these relationships help the present self approch with better and better proxmity to the future self.

Could this be so Learned Dindu?


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