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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23538909 - 08/13/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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DinduNuffin said: the smartest brain thoughts

Sounds like a Trumpism.
I've read most of The First and Last Freedom. Very thought provoking stuff. Occasionally some of it seems contradictory, but lots of value to be taken from his perspectives.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] 1
#23539214 - 08/13/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's actually incredibly simple. And I won't be taking psychedelics after finishing the book, at least not right after... I don't trip much these days.
The concept is that one can not learn, one can not be taught, and one must not strive, until they can let go. Let go of consciousness to the greatest they can until they are simply seeing, experiencing, with no filter of past present or prejudice.
The secondary concept, a bit more complicated (and truly connected with the first so it's essentially one concept) is that all human beings are simply a fragmentation of the singular human being, which is a fragmentation of the universe. The classic all are one mantra.
I glazed over much of the finesse that he puts to the teachings, but that's the laymans spin on it.
His whole "thing" is that one much teach themselves through finding true vision. True vision is vision without abstraction.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: ModestMouse] 1
#23539404 - 08/13/16 11:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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All is self
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: 5150]
#23540853 - 08/14/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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@phantom,
let's not concern ourselves with KRISHNAMURTI, but rather the metaconcept. KRISHNAMURTI can teach us nothing we cannot learn from ourselves. the speaker does not know about the KRISHNAMURTI foundation. to the speaker, they are propagandists, exploiters. and the speaker has nothing to do with them. the speaker is highlighting KRISHNAMURTI'S contradiction and not distributing propaganda.
now sir, what is it when one pairs a certain geographical location with a term? certainly this is ideation and not actuality. certainly nationalistic divides, provincial divides, state divides, are just as false as the religious, racial, and cultural divides that inhabit them. surely there is just the unnamable movement.
now sir, what kind of problems might one encounter when the integrated, unnamable movement is broken up and labelled? that is, when one approximates and terms both the inward and outward environment?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23540877 - 08/14/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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@xingu,
the entirety of consciousness is encapsulated by contradiction sir. that is, the self does not just seem contradictory, it is!
now sir if you keep going at some point you may realize that what KRISHNAMURTI was actually trying to convey was not in the words he used, but rather embedded in the syntax of the dialog. his writing is one of the most brilliant pieces of codework ever created. and almost no one understood it. that is why the speaker is here. that is why the speaker is willing to donate time and money to discern the metaconcept with you sirs.
now sir, what is it that divides thought from language?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: ModestMouse]
#23540940 - 08/14/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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@modestmouse,
that is not it sir. and here is the flaw in your logic:
if one says, 'i must not strive' that is an ideal, a preconception. that ideal itself creates striving. it creates a preconception through which one then meets life. this striving, in turn, limits thought, action and perception - which are one and the same. that is, the idea that one must, or must not, imposes itself onto perception, or, put differently, a preconception acts as a screen between the self and reality. it skews or limits perception sir.
the moment one approximates themselves as 'that which is striving too much' there is born an element of the self through contrast. the self IS contrast, nothing more. the self IS contradiction. that is, there is the approximation of what the self is presently, and the preconception of what the self should like to become, these two elements engender the concept of the i.
so in saying, 'i must not strive' one creates both the goal and the insufficient self. this gap, between expectation and reality, is what forms the self concept.
now sir, this will not win the BIG BIG MONEY, and we are left with the question of what divides abstraction from language with regard to perception/thought/action?
Edited by DinduNuffin (08/14/16 01:57 PM)
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Bomb Diggity]
#23540945 - 08/14/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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@bombdiggity,
what do you mean by 'all is self' sir?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] 4
#23541012 - 08/14/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think this is pretty silly.
1. I don't think people should be rewarded with money for learning something about themselves.
2. How is it that a "winner" can be definitively picked? It would require more than one person to have reached a personal "nirvana" or "enlightenment". Both of these concepts are continuous goals and are a way of being, not a fucking contest.
3. Why should it be that one person has the ability to judge someone else's reality in its entirety and decide if it's "right" or "wrong"?
4. It's one thing to respect a person for their ideologies or follow in their path...but a completely different thing when one decides that they have the ability to tell another if their PERSONAL NIRVANA OR ENLIGHTENMENT is not as good as another's. Fucking false prophets.
I'm not meaning to be a hypocrite by disagreeing with the ideology of this...thing. I'm just saying its everything that's wrong with this world already if everyone stopped trying to be accepted for their views by others, there would be a much better social equilibrium.
I'm sorry for not keeping this civil but seriously, fuck off with your judgemental bullshit.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] 2
#23541042 - 08/14/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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before/if I attempt to respond to your assertions I have to ask: why are you talking like him?
His mannerisms of using "sir" abundantly to the point of overuse are something you consider valuable?
You seem to be missing the forest for the trees. You want us to learn his teachings, yet you offer cash as a prize, as if this need be incentivized (the opposite of his beliefs) You adopt his manner of communication to the point of absurdity despite the fact that he asserts one must listen to themselves and not imitate the words of others.
It seems very contradictory.
I find your shtick very off putting and it makes me question whether you're here to mimic his words or actually engage in intelligent discussion.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: ModestMouse]
#23541208 - 08/14/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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@modestmouse,
that's it!!! you see!!! there are a number of contradictions with regard to the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE. THE CHANCE TO WIN BIG BIG MONEY!!! you have identified two... but not yet their significance. there is indeed a cash incentive, and the propagandist like mimicry of KRISHNAMURTI'S rhetoric. these are calculated inclusions and we will get to why they were worked into the challenge. if you stick around sir, you will find that this whole thing is a puzzle that requires an understanding of the metaconcept to solve. and, it cannot be done in isolation. stick around sir, it will be worth it...
the speaker does not have to call you sir. the speaker will call you whatever you like. the use of the word 'sir' or 'sirsette' is important only to establish the notion of equality between us. things are going to be said here that will challenge fundamental concepts of reality. they might seem absurd, and to avoid what could be logical discernment, from shifting to a bilateral barrage of assertions we must maintain the fact that you and the speaker are equals sir. mechanically. fundamentally. we are one sir.
the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE is not about trading opinion, belief, preconception, but rather discerning together what is actual free of subjectivity. only that can crack the puzzle to find a winner. so whenever we meet each other in duality, contradiction, that serves as an indication that one or both parties are meeting reality through the screen of subjectivity. so then to find what is real, we then drop the image and discern.
now, to bring about the ideation of 'off putting' there must be preconception. that is, the self enters the conversation with a certain presupposition of what is acceptable speech pattern. when actuality, in this case the speaker's rhetoric, contrasts with the preconception, the self approximates as 'put off'. in actuality there is not put off, only what is. which is a conversation free of subjectivity.
rest assured sir, this will indeed be an intelligent conversation relatively speaking.
now, if we may proceed in cleaving a divide between abstract thought and thought which is encapsulated by language?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter]
#23541574 - 08/14/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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@goldcaphunter,
that which is silly is that which is subjective. that which is subjective is not reality. now, let's discern what is actual. what is the real. the speaker will make no judgement and no assertion that cannot be universally discerned.
sir the speaker is not promoting any subjective stance. on the contrary. the speaker is negating subjectivity. and through the negation of subjectivity we will, together, never in isolation, reveal the actual. the speaker will elicit certain responses from you sirs. when those responses are subjective and not objective we will find out, together what is actual. to do so, we must find the significance of duality.
the significance of duality, conflict, contradiction, is that it is an intimation of skewed perception. opinion, belief, preconception, assertion, these things are not reality. they are not discernment. they are authoritative and not logical. authority, whether from some guru, some teacher, someone claiming to know truth, destroys reality. but this does not just apply to outward authority, but the inward authority of preconception, ideals, beliefs. belief is not discernment. what we are looking to do here in the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE is discern universally. that is, to find what is true for both of us, not what is one's subjective opinion.
now sirs, some questions have been put:
1. i don't think people should be rewarded with money for learning something about themselves.
what is i sir? what is the self? certainly the i is a collection of memories. the particular fears, anxieties, hopes, expectations, and the rest of it. and what forms those particular elements? there is environment, and then the capacity to store and consider experience, which is not experiencing. experience is the past encapsulated by terms/images. experiencing is the real, integrated movement that is life. the self is the contrast between experience and actuality.
so we see that the self is a collection of experiences. a name. a certain acquired language. likes. dislikes. and so on and so on. that is the self. now what is the self mechanically? surely both yourself and the speaker are equals in that we are mechanically identical. that is, we accumulate memory, which is time, and through that we project the future through the present to destroy reality. isn't that it sir? are we not equals?
now, you may argue that in the realm of some particular measurement we are not equal. you're house is bigger. you are taller. more attractive. your car is faster. you have more money. etc. and through that you approximate yourself as this or that. but is that approximation the real or is that approximation relative only to your subjective experience. that is, you are only as taller than those you have encountered. and if you have only encountered midgets you are the tallest man there is! ...subjectively.
so you are tall and the speaker is short, subjectively. your opinion is worthwhile and the speaker should fuck off. you have approximated as some comparative particular and the speaker is judgemental. so through this process of subjective approximation there is born the concept of the self. the self image. the self image tells the speaker to fuck off. is this not mechanically what has just occurred sir?
now, this process includes not only comparative measurements but also preconceptions. that is, you have a certain idea of what is acceptable conversationally. and, it seems the speaker has breached your expectation thereby earning the relatively uncivil 'fuck off'. now is the 'fuck off' the real? of is the 'fuck off' subjective? the speaker is not telling you to fuck off, so there is duality, conflicting opinion. duality indicates one or both of us is seeing a skewed version of reality. who is it sir? which one of us is seeing a skewed version of reality? keep in mind you elected to comment on the thread and the speaker has judged no one.
2. how is it that a 'winner' can be definitively picked? it would require more than one person to have reached personal 'nirvana' or 'enlightenment'. both of these concepts are a way of being, not a fucking contest.
the winner will be discerned universally. that is, each contestant has one vote. since we are all equals, each vote counts equally. the vote must be unanimous for a winner to be discerned. if the vote is not unanimous then we go into it and find out what is actual. if the vote is not unanimous, there is duality, which is an indication of subjectivity. subjectivity is not reality... are you starting to see how this works sir?
3. why should it be that one person has the ability to judge someone else's reality in its entirety and decide if it is right or wrong?
they don't. obviously. that is subjectivity and not reality. that is why the winner must be discerned universally. the speaker has one vote as we are equals sir, mechanically, abstractly.
4. it's one thing to respect a person for their ideologies or follow in their path... but a completely different thing when one decides that they have the ability to tell another if their personal nirvana or enlightenment is not as good as another's.
now what is respect sir? to the speaker awarding respect is personally distasteful. for to respect one is to deny respect for another. the only true respect is respect integrally, respect mechanically, as we are all equals. to most of us respect has become transactional. but transaction is not respect.
now can one, in actuality achieve enlightenment? that is the next question, isn't it sir? perhaps we can go into together. perhaps we can discuss as equals and not assert one opinion or another but rather find out, rather discern, universally, if one can truly achieve enlightenment or if instead enlightenment exists only as a false approximation or an endpoint to the movement of becoming. sir, can one achieve enlightenment, mechanically? fundamentally?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23542621 - 08/15/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm sorry but I just don't have the attention span to read that wall. Especially with the way you typed it, trying to sound all superior and shit.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter]
#23543029 - 08/15/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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@goldcaphunter,
most will run from this conversation sir. you see, the self image becomes quite fearful when its pillars begin to shake. those who do read it, will see what is true. that is, if they are able to see through the illusory screen of subjectivity and find what is real.
now, the speaker said numerous times that we are equals. the speaker is not trying to sound smart, nor superior. the concept of superiority is relative. that is, it is engendered only through comparison of the speaker to one's limited pool of experience. that is, your i process, has encountered only so many conversations, and through them has developed particular expectations, preconceptions. when there is contrast between preconception and actuality, naturally there comes relative approximation. labelling. terming.
the speaker is not superior. superior is relative. we are equals sir.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23543715 - 08/15/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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DinduNuffin said: @bombdiggity,
what do you mean by 'all is self' sir?
I mean that I am you. You are me. We collectively project our general consensus of what we consider reality. We all believe we will wake up tomorrow in the same existence. It is our collective belief that life is what it is. Our energy in this belief, or belief in anything is what makes it, or anything, so. We all need each other to channel the energy that courses through us to make it all happen.
This is where manifestation magick gets interesting. The power of belief in our subjective reality. How well it can shape the objective reality. All is self. I can go inward and dissect the universe, find the connections of my body, to the celestial bodies. I can go inward and feel, experience what it is like to be anyone, to be anywhere. It can be truly "believable".. to me.. I am realizing with more and more truth that all.. is truly self.
I love your thread btw. When I have time, I will thoroughly read through, this is all so wonderful and deeply, profoundly, full of wisdom.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Bomb Diggity]
#23544783 - 08/15/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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No. This thread is ridiculous. Lol.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: mctaveesh]
#23544812 - 08/15/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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mctaveesh said: No. This thread is ridiculous. Lol.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter] 1
#23544925 - 08/15/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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This thread is love.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Bomb Diggity] 2
#23544931 - 08/15/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sir. What is love, sir?
Sir...
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Bomb Diggity]
#23545563 - 08/15/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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@bombdiggity,
that's it sir!! you see!! we are one!! we are equals mechanically!! that is, the speaker is compelled to challenge you sirs to the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE just as the other sir is compelled to tell the speaker fuck off. but the speaker cannot fuck off as the speaker is compelled to discern with you sirs.
so we see that the you and the i are one. they are the same. not that they are composed of the same particulars, but instead abstractly, mechanically, they are the same. that is, the i, whether your's or mine, is built by contradiction, contrast, conflict. without contradiction there can be no i.
now what do we mean by contradiction? surely we are not speaking of a particular contradiction, but contradiction abstractly. that is, there is approximation of the present self, which is all the time floating into either the past, or the future, and very rarely staying in the integrated movement of the present, which is relationship. mind looks to the past to approximate itself in the present, or, looks to the past to project itself in the future. but there is not future. and there is not past. there is only integration and approximation. but approximation, whether present or future, destroys integration.
so the self, digs through experience, which is not experiencing, but instead memory, time, and looks to define itself through terming. that is, the experience, which is dead, is labelled and stored. but what is that thing which stores and labels? isn't it that we call that the self? that is, mind, seeking continuance, permanence, separates itself from thought to create the illusory self concept. but is there a separation between thought and self?
other times the mind digs into the past to project the future for the purpose of prediction, becoming. that is, mind, looks to the past to find virtue, security and projects this state onto perception thus bringing about insufficiency and therefore activity. but activity is not action. all the while, one is unaware that the integrated movement of relationship, reality, is slipping away. all the while, one is caught in the contrast between prediction and insufficiency.
so separation is contrast. and contrast, fundamentally, is contradiction. so we see the self is slowly built by bricks of contradiction. without contradiction, which is the divide between thought and self and prediction and insufficiency, there is no self concept. there is no i. so the i, is illusory. is that not it sir? is it not that thought and the self are one, and the divide is an illusory attempt at continuity?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: mctaveesh]
#23545589 - 08/15/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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@mctaveesh,
now what is ridiculous sir? and can we encapsulate reality with a term? that is, can we enclose our interaction with a label? can we take the entirety of what this thread has been and will become and encapsulate it with the word ridiculous. let's not assert, but instead find out what is true.
to the speaker the thread is not ridiculous. to the speaker the thread just is. that is, the thread is a segmented movement of the integrated whole. but in actuality can the integrated whole, which is life, which is reality, be segregated, termed and encapsulated?
experiencing has no beginning or end. it is mind, that breaks up experiencing into experiences and terms them for storage. but in actuality there is just the integration. that is why to you the thread can appear ridiculous and to the speaker it remains an unnamable, integrated slice of reality. truth is discernible universally.
so we see the thread is not ridiculous but instead the thread has been subjectively segregated from reality, then, encapsulated and asserted. assertion is authority, and authority destroys reality.
sir, that will not win the BIG BIG MONEY, so you will have to try again.
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