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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] 1
#23651478 - 09/16/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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DinduNuffin said:
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LogicaL Chaos said: Ok, i think i may have a sliver of the puzzle.
The source of All Knowledge comes from within the Self. All technology, science, discovery, has come forth because it was "found" inside the Self over time. But, once the Self becomes self-aware, this knowledge is no longer objective but subjective. A Paradox of Knowledge. By knowing that you know, its putting a label, therefore the knowledge is tainted from the subjectivity of the Self, even thou all knowledge comes from the Self.
Am i getting warm good sir?
@logical chaos,
sir, is truth to be found through the concept of self, or is truth the reflection of environment? that is, can the self seek truth, or does truth come to you?

Oh man, do i wish i could answer this timeless epic question!
Plato and Socrates would be impressed!
My guess is that its somehow both, a paradox, as paradoxes are a reoccuring theme in this challenge.
Edited by LogicaL Chaos (09/16/16 08:27 PM)
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23651993 - 09/17/16 01:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I bet the speaker is having an awesome cacti Full Moon party right now  
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23652263 - 09/17/16 06:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Might I do a suggestion to add more blessedness to this wonderful project you are rolling out here?
Words cannot express the generosity and community sense of what you intend to do here.
It is extremely generous and would help the winner a lot further in life. I think that is a part of why you do it. You realize that spiritual gold is more important than earthly wealth and you will be inspiring many in the process.
Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.
You remind me of vVv 's Revolutions of 2011 in a very good way.
$5,000? Really? Extraordinary.
If it turns out you are serious I will find ways to extra underline your action. If you have secrets, I'm an admin, feel free to send me a secure PM either for me or for discussion among the Admin team, like we did with vVv.
But!
I have some considerations regarding your prize. You seem very gung ho to make it $5K worth so I wont talk you in or out of that, but work with that.
Money is the root of all evil. It is created as debt by the international banking cartel and that cartel is the main reasoin why we have hundreds of millions of malnourished children in the world.
The dollar, the Euro, its a piece of paper, a number in a computer. It is the money of man and boy, do we suffer for using fiat currency and fractional reserve banking.
There is a better way. A Krishnamurti friendly way.
The Universe has given us money too. Money from the Heavens.
Gold.
The heaviest solid nonradioactive atom, that can only be made in quantity in a supernova explosion, the same one that gave us the Iron in our hemoglobin and the Calcium in our bones.
Take a look at this beauty:
 
What you see here is a beautiful 100 gram bar of 24 carat gold, encapsulated so it wont scratch, in its own certificate of authenticity.
it currently sells for under $5,000 , it is ubiquitously available and a person can sell that item for about the same value almost anywhere in the world in their local currency.
Unlike a cash money gift, a small gift of gold is tax free in much of the world, as its an object, not money, so your receipient might get more of the funds you alot to him or her than if you gave cash money. In addition to that they can decide to keep it for a rainy day, and precisely in times of rainy days (money inflation) gold is worth the most. It has always been that way for the past 7,000 years.
Gold is nonpolitical. The Government takes it and the Taliban takes it. Its more universal than any currency.
You can get the item and bless it, or simply order a supplier like Apmex to send it directly and insured to your winner.
Gold fluctuates in money value. You set out a year for this challenge. It might well be possible to buy it when its cheaper somewhere during that period and your winner can sell it when it has appreciated, saving and earning you both money in the process. Our resident Gold experts are in the Money Matters forum, they'd love to school you and you can alert them about your action.
Gold isn't just money, or value, it has a spiritual value of its own.
I think, but that is me, that Krishnamurti would rather see gold changing hands than money, but thats of course my personal opinion.
Realistically, the worst 100 grams of gold would do in the coming years is perhaps $2,500 but at best it can be $10,000 or even more. Over time dollars lose value because of inflation, and gold stays gold so in the long run you keep on getting more dollars per gram.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Asante]
#23652323 - 09/17/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was wondering when a mod or admin was going to pop in. Gold huh, interesting....Sounds more noble than cash, i would argue.
So can mods/admins participate in these sorts of win-money challenges? Im guessing theres some rule about that....
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23652345 - 09/17/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Generally where there are contests there is a clause that says "employees can't play", this to avoid nepotism.
This however is a member's initiative and moderators are unpaid volunteer workers so, its up to the OP.
I think the community wouldnt be happy if an admin won it though, so I don't think Ythan, Geokills, Seuss or I will enroll.
Or maybe this comment disappears and we all enroll
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23652359 - 09/17/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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dindunuffin, if you werent so pretentious/condescending more people would be open to your challenge. Referring to yourself as the speaker and calling people sirs was a bad decision. Also a lot of people are already familiar with jiddu krishnamurti, he was pretty famous, but sort of run of the mill as far as gurus go. even as far as krishnamurtis go lol, I always preferred UG krishnamurti.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: mt cleverest] 1
#23652467 - 09/17/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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mt cleverest said: dindunuffin, if you werent so pretentious/condescending more people would be open to your challenge. Referring to yourself as the speaker and calling people sirs was a bad decision. Also a lot of people are already familiar with jiddu krishnamurti, he was pretty famous, but sort of run of the mill as far as gurus go. even as far as krishnamurtis go lol, I always preferred UG krishnamurti.
He's making an epic offer, he can "condescend" all he wants. I dont think he does, he is just smitten with the spiritual truth he sees and wants to use the most lofty words possible to spread the word.
Cut him some slack, jack.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Asante]
#23652576 - 09/17/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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At the very least it makes you engage in critical thinking.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Asante]
#23652685 - 09/17/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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nepotism:
Favoritism shown to relatives or close friends by those in power (as by giving them jobs)
Ah, i see 
Most noble of you.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23652851 - 09/17/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will be reading the book think on These Things.
What would you consider as an equivalent to 12" t. Bridgsii?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23653126 - 09/17/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: So incintive is just an illusion, as it resides in the past. But what resides in the present? Is it activity?
@logical chaos,
incentive is as much an illusion as any other preconception. it's validity is dependent on the scale of measurement. that is, meaning, is contextual. so an incentive or a deterrent is as real or as fake as the context in which it resides.
in the present there is activity, and there is action. now sir, what divides action from activity?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23653152 - 09/17/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@spiritshadow said:
"Maybe for you. But not everyone thinks that way. Some people remember everything vividly but I see your point as well. Everyone is different. The only equality is love....or death."
vividness is a continuum. so if one approximates themselves to have memories that are of a certain level of vividity, they do so by comparison. and that is the very nature of the i process, isn't it sir? comparison. i approximate myself as that which remembers more vividly than another, so that preconception becomes an element of my self definition. in turn, i meet the present through this veil of preconception.
so, what does the speaker mean by vague intimation? surely vague is too a relative term. so to what is being compared? since we are discussing memory abstractly, it is clear we are not comparing vagueness to another individual, but instead to a mechanism. so we are comparing memory to experience. that is, memory is vague compared to experience. so it matters not whether one individual remembers in greater detail than another. the universal, mechanical truth remains that memory is vague when compared to the actual experience that imprinted it. is that not so sir? is memory not a vague recreation of experience?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] 1
#23653161 - 09/17/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@logical chaos,
the answer to this question is embedded in the metaconcept. we are going to find out, together, if truth comes to us, of if truth is something we can hunt down and secure.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23653595 - 09/17/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, difference between Action and Activity.......let me give it a whirl.
Action is Activity with the concept of Time removed. Action has no beginnging or end. It also sounds more specific, more focused, more refined, more objective.
Activity is on a time scale. It does have a beginning and end, and is placed somewhere in the time continum. It also sounds more general, more fleeting, less "universal purpose" or has less "Universal meaning". Subjective if you will.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Asante]
#23653642 - 09/17/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@assante,
now sir money is indeed the association of value and things. but is it in fact the root of all evil? that is, most fundamentally, is evil the precipitation of money?
now we see that money is both a means and an ends. that is, it exists as an endpoint to a series of occurrences, as much as it seeds its own expanding pinnacle. so it is a transient integration. bridging the gap between what it was and what it is, and forever being corralled by the influence of its past. put differently, the approximation of money is a cultural transiency.
we see that value is the association of worth and things. that is, it is the approximation of people, objects, or concepts on some predetermined scale. the predetermined scale is an element of the collective mind, which hovers in thought-space, perpetuated by communication. that is, opinions are shared socially, culturally, and this is how one develops their approximation of value.
now, how is one imprinted with a predetermined scale of value? mustn't it be experience sir? mustn't it be relationship? for to be, is to be related. there is not being, outside of being in relationship. so one relates to culture, to environment and is so imprinted with the associated scales of value. so as experience shifts, so does internal and external approximation.
now, as associated value shifts with the weight of preconception, so does interest. and with the increase in interest, in value, comes an increase in justification, rationalization, and identification. that is, as a person, object, or thing improves itself along some scale of value, the self is drawn closer to that thing. it identifies with it. it clearly identifies it's relationship to the object. and it does this with all things experienced.
and with the increase in value comes the willingness to flounder in cunning and elaborate states of rationalization. rationalization as to what is the severity of justifiable behaviour given the value of the award.
and so the acquisitive nature of man, is driven by the cultural definition of value. but is the same true in reverse? does the acquisitive nature of man drive the cultural definition of value? let's see..
naturally, certain people, items, and ideas carry more value when compared on some scale. a certain area of the world. a certain quality of being. a certain concept. etc. measured on a scale of fundamental need. so then man is naturally acquisitive. that is, he naturally seeks those things which offer security. he identifies with them and rationalizes behaviours to acquire them. with the process of identification and rationalization there is the precipitation of communication. that is, value is accentuated culturally through the conflict of acquisition. so the acquisitive nature of man, drives the cultural approximation of value.
so then the cultural definition of value, and the acquisitive nature of man are one and the same. means and ends. they are mechanically one movement.
so then sir, could it be said that the real root of evil, the real root of exploitation, is the association of value?
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23653648 - 09/17/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why the fuck should we believe you are giving anyone 5k at the end of this?
Inb4 OP bails on his own challenge.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23653664 - 09/17/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whoa.
So the real root of all evil isnt money, but man. Man's desire to obtain items accociated as vaulable on a cultural scale.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
#23653669 - 09/17/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante with 1 S, my good man 
Since you so generously offer earthly wealth in exchange for the generation and testimonials of acquired spiritual wealth, it would be odd to consider association of value the root of evil.
You associate value to Krishnamurti's teachings, to the Mescaline experience and to the insights derived thereof and seek to promote them with the promise of earthly wealth.
The ones who truly get it would testify of their convictions with or without coveting the half-stack of 100s or the pretty gold bar.
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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23653736 - 09/17/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Whoa.
So the real root of all evil isnt money, but man. Man's desire to obtain items accociated as vaulable on a cultural scale.
it seems that way sir.
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