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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23648929 - 09/15/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@spiritshadow, @modestmouse, @monkey_mine, @sirs, @sirsettes,

so the question has been put to the speaker: what is illegal?  illegal is a means.  a means of achieving an end.  so what does that mean?  meaning sirs?  what does it mean that illegal is a means.  to understand this question we must first understand what it is we mean by means. 

are the means separate from the ends sir?  certainly the means of one are the ends of two, the means of three are the ends of four.  so fundamentally, not in regard to the particular means, but mechanically, means and ends are one.  so then legality is also ends. 

so what does it mean exactly sirs?  what is the significance of legality being both a means and ends?  meaning sirs, as @thenaturekid exemplifies for us, is the progeniture of context.  that is, it does not exist outside of relationship.   

so legal, to the speaker, to be understood or defined must be suspended in context.  that is, that thing which is illegal, that we should punish, its value is determined not by preference, not by opinion, not by the authoritative ideal of some individual.  rather the quality and necessity of that which is illegal must be determined by it's ends. 

so we see then abstractly, fundamentally, the ends are the means.  so actually, to evaluate the necessity or quality of legality, one must see the problem integrally, completely.  never authoritatively.  authority and logic do not coexist sir.  one destroys the other.

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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23648941 - 09/15/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@spiritshadow, @modestmouse, @monkey_mine, @sirs, @sirsettes,

so the question has been put to the speaker: what is illegal?  illegal is a means.  a means of achieving an end.  so what does that meanmeaning sirs?  what does it mean that illegal is a means.  to understand this question we must first understand what it is we mean by means.  are the means separate from the ends sir?  certainly the means of one are the ends of two, the means of three are the ends of four.  so fundamentally, not in regard to the particular means, but mechanically, means and ends are one.  so then legality is also ends.  so what does it mean exactly sirs?  what is the significance of legality being both a means and ends?  meaning sirs, as @thenaturekid exemplifies for us, is the progeniture of context.  that is, it does not exist outside of relationship.   




:wtfsonic: But what does it all mean????




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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: brk]
    #23648982 - 09/15/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@brk,

well sir, with regard to the KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE, it means that to take peyote and read a book by KRISHNAMURTI is an ends.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23649003 - 09/15/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@brk,

it means that the moment something is determined to be illegal, is the moment a crime is committed.  and those crimes, regardless of their illegality are both means and ends.  that is, the criminal, who is the accumulation of experience, which is relationship, has acted in such a way to cause ends which are dependent on those means. the two are inseparable. 

the same surely goes for laws.  laws are ends.  that is, the residual past, which hovers as the collective consciousness, has built a certain transient set of do's and don't.  some of which we call laws.  so laws are a precipitate to their contextual pasts. 

that is what is illegal to the speaker.  so illegal exists as both a means and an ends.  and while it's subjective value is dependent on perspective, it's actual value is dependent on the integral understanding.  that is, the definition of legality changes across the spectrum of the collective consciousness that produced it. 

is that not so sir?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23649087 - 09/15/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You should give us some back story on yourself, so we might understand you a little better. What is your profession, current or former. How did this challenge come to be and why? I would also appreciate a picture of yourself in your current posting position.... For science of course... Blurring faces will be optional.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23649130 - 09/15/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@spiritshadow, @modestmouse, @monkey_mine, @sirs, @sirsettes,

so the question has been put to the speaker: what is illegal?  illegal is a means.  a means of achieving an end.  so what does that mean?  meaning sirs?  what does it mean that illegal is a means.  to understand this question we must first understand what it is we mean by means. 

are the means separate from the ends sir?  certainly the means of one are the ends of two, the means of three are the ends of four.  so fundamentally, not in regard to the particular means, but mechanically, means and ends are one.  so then legality is also ends. 

so what does it mean exactly sirs?  what is the significance of legality being both a means and ends?  meaning sirs, as @thenaturekid exemplifies for us, is the progeniture of context.  that is, it does not exist outside of relationship.   

so legal, to the speaker, to be understood or defined must be suspended in context.  that is, that thing which is illegal, that we should punish, its value is determined not by preference, not by opinion, not by the authoritative ideal of some individual.  rather the quality and necessity of that which is illegal must be determined by it's ends. 

so we see then abstractly, fundamentally, the ends are the means.  so actually, to evaluate the necessity or quality of legality, one must see the problem integrally, completely.  never authoritatively.  authority and logic do not coexist sir.  one destroys the other.

are we still together?



Again that is all in individual perspective.....so does that mean you will give me some peyote if I take the same stance on it as you do?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: brk]
    #23649140 - 09/15/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@brk,

indeed.  we can go into all that sir.  but to understand this request integrally, that is, not just in the context of your objective, we must first understand the nature of the request mechanically.  if we may first go into it. 

sir why is it that when we meet someone we look to define them?  that is, we look to get some impression of 'who' they are.  why do we do this sir?  what does it mean to find out 'who' somebody is?  not what does it mean in the particular, but abstractly, mechanically, what does it mean? 

surely we look to do this as a means of prediction.  that is, the better we predict future events the better our chance at survival.  isn't that right sir?  so past is used as a means of  projecting the future.  surely on this much we are clear. 

so the self is always affixing itself to different scales.  always through the process of comparison.  through this process it becomes defined.  that is, the child, realizing he is small, discerns the reality of relative size.  through this is born concept. 

as we age these approximations cumulate.  i am this to him.  i am this to her.  i am this much of this quality relative to this population.  i am this willing to pursue a certain topic/endeavour.  and so on and so on.  these relative approximations form the concept of the self.  put differently, the entirety of the self IS relationship.  rather the self is the precipitation of relationship and the capacity to store and consider experience. 

are we together so far sir?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23649158 - 09/15/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@brk,

indeed.  we can go into all that sir.  but to understand this request integrally, that is, not just in the context of your objective, we must first understand the nature of the request mechanically.  if we may first go into it. 

sir why is it that when we meet someone we look to define them?  that is, we look to get some impression of 'who' they are.  why do we do this sir?  what does it mean to find out 'who' somebody is?  not what does it mean in the particular, but abstractly, mechanically, what does it mean? 

surely we look to do this as a means of prediction.  that is, the better we predict future events the better our chance at survival.  isn't that right sir?  so past is used as a means of  projecting the future.  surely on this much we are clear. 

so the self is always affixing itself to different scales.  always through the process of comparison.  through this process it becomes defined.  that is, the child, realizing he is small, discerns the reality of relative size.  through this is born concept. 

as we age these approximations cumulate.  i am this to him.  i am this to her.  i am this much of this quality relative to this population.  i am this willing to pursue a certain topic/endeavour.  and so on and so on.  these relative approximations form the concept of the self.  put differently, the entirety of the self IS relationship.  rather the self is the precipitation of relationship and the capacity to store and consider experience. 

are we together so far sir?



You didnt give us your backstory. You know, the story of your life thats tattooed on your back?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23649164 - 09/15/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@monkey_mine,

together sir, we will find out what is compulsion.  for if one tells another what is compulsion, the relationship is then authoritative.  and the moment one clings to an authoritative definition and does not find out for themselves, the pliability of truth is destroyed.  so we will find out together what is compulsion.  to be, is to be related. so truth is to be found only within relationship, never in isolation. 

now, within your question lies the implication that the examination of behaviour alleviates the constraint of compulsion.  that when behaviour, thought, or action - which are one and the same - are understood, there is no compulsion.  is that a fair assessment sir?  did the speaker understand your response correctly?




@Dindunuffin, I mostly agree, but with a question.
Yes the examination of behaviour alleviates the constraint of compulsion. When you fully see the mechanism of compulsion, then you are not in the mechanism. You are not compelled by it. You are free to choose.

Does that mean with understanding there is no compulsion? Yes. But, could a person, upon understanding this mechanism still  choose the same behaviour that before was compulsive? So that to outside assessment it would still look compulsive, but the person doing the behaviour would be freely acting, not compulsively acting.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23649166 - 09/15/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@spiritshadow,

integral understanding is not the representation of one perspective sir.  the speaker described legality as an integral relationship, not a certain opinion.  this is an important distinction. 

a particular understanding refers to a particular act.  thou shall not deep fry babies.  an abstract understanding refers to the integral nature of the problem.  what are the results of deep frying babies?  and how did we come to arrive at a place where a specific law is required to prevent the deep frying of babies.  means and ends sir. 

so to understand what is 'illegal' we must look at the problem integrally.  you see sir?  we are not discussing what to think, we are discussing how to think.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: monkey_mine]
    #23649175 - 09/15/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@spiritshadow,

and you did not acknowledge the first part of the response.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23649195 - 09/16/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@monkey_mine,

so the person understands a problem fully.  that is, they see that both the problem/challenge and every possible solution are means and ends to another problem/challenge.  they see that means and ends are one.  so they understand the integral nature of the all aspects of the problem.  granting all of this, this person then chooses a solution, a response.  and this response is the same response that would have been compulsively chosen by another.  is that it sir?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23649201 - 09/16/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@spiritshadow,

integral understanding is not the representation of one perspective sir.  the speaker described legality as an integral relationship, not a certain opinion.  this is an important distinction. 

a particular understanding refers to a particular act.  thou shall not deep fry babies.  an abstract understanding refers to the integral nature of the problem.  what are the results of deep frying babies?  and how did we come to arrive at a place where a specific law is required to prevent the deep frying of babies.  means and ends sir. 

so to understand what is 'illegal' we must look at the problem integrally.  you see sir?  we are not discussing what to think, we are discussing how to think.



What? Lol that is abstract indeed. At the core legality is in the eye of the beholder but at the end of the day its whatever the hell the government tells you it is. Now we can choose to believe differently but that will not change the outcome if discovered.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23649230 - 09/16/16 12:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@spirit_shadow,

this is not a matter of belief sir, this is a matter of discernment.  belief is opinion.  discernment transcends opinion.  discernment understand both sides and their integrated relationship to the problem. 

remember the forest sir?  the changing of the outcome is the transiency of the forest.  means and ends sir.  they are one.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23649425 - 09/16/16 02:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@brk,

indeed.  we can go into all that sir.




Ok, do it then....

Can't you just answer the question? Do you have to answer it with more questions?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23649477 - 09/16/16 03:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@monkey_mine,

so the person understands a problem fully.  that is, they see that both the problem/challenge and every possible solution are means and ends to another problem/challenge.  they see that means and ends are one.  so they understand the integral nature of the all aspects of the problem.  granting all of this, this person then chooses a solution, a response.  and this response is the same response that would have been compulsively chosen by another.  is that it sir?




Yes. I see your point Mr. the speaker. Why choose a solution/response that you now see as inadequate, as one that will not solve the problem? So with complete understanding, compulsion ends.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23649602 - 09/16/16 06:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So does shrooms and LSD not qualify for the challenge? I mean, does it have to be cacti?

Just curious on who is making these specific rules.

Also, Im down too :yesnod: :sanpedro:


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23649620 - 09/16/16 06:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So why is psychedelic consumption a requirement to this challenge? Do you feel as thought the writings are not explanatory enough on their own? That some mind altering chemical must be consumed to somehow drive the message home?




Dont u get it?

The psychedelic substance is the last key to the puzzle.

One can only truely understand the meta-nature of the message within the writing when their ego is stripped completely away. Hence the peyote/mescaline. Not sure why mescaline and not mushrooms, but its all part of the challenge!

I bet many of u believe this DindoNuffin (silly ass name) is trolling us in an elaborate prank. He could be, he could be speaking the truth.

But i bet you his name holds a key aspect of the puzzle....


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23649770 - 09/16/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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@spirit_shadow,

this is not a matter of belief sir, this is a matter of discernment.  belief is opinion.  discernment transcends opinion.  discernment understand both sides and their integrated relationship to the problem. 

remember the forest sir?  the changing of the outcome is the transiency of the forest.  means and ends sir.  they are one.



Does discernment not require belief? At the end of the the day you have to believe something. And if I were to consume peyote and got caught, no matter what I do or say, the outsome remains static. It doesnt matter anyway because I cant take your challenge.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23649779 - 09/16/16 07:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, i think i may have a sliver of the puzzle.

The source of All Knowledge comes from within the Self. All technology, science, discovery, has come forth because it was "found" inside the Self over time. But, once the Self becomes self-aware, this knowledge is no longer objective but subjective. A Paradox of Knowledge. By knowing that you know, its putting a label, therefore the knowledge is tainted from the subjectivity of the Self, even thou all knowledge comes from the Self.

Am i getting warm good sir?


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