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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23642950 - 09/13/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@modestmouse,

indeed!  oh sir!  now we are getting to it! 

so we see that a belief is not universally agreed upon as true, and a discernment is universally agreed upon as true given the steps of specific deduction are followed by all. agreed.  so, we have together reached a relatively small, but universal discernment - you and the speaker.   

now, what is the significance of duality with regards to one's discernment vs another's?  that is, one discerns a certain fact, and meets another who discerns a contradictory fact.  the two assertions contradict.  they are conflicting.  what is the significance of this duality, this conflict of ideas?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: TNK]
    #23642970 - 09/13/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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TheNatureKid said:
You are a fool.

If you are for real in whatever quest it is, it is a fools errand.

None can hope to understand the truth of existence.




Quote:

TheNatureKid said:
This is just a bunch of shitty, hippy nonsense.




1.  label the speaker out of fear.
2.  run from the conversation out of fear.
3.  drop your subjective barriers and discuss openly with the speaker to find out if there is truly any validity to what is being presented.


seems like a lot of option #1 sir.  how about a little option #3 for the good sir?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: brk]
    #23642974 - 09/13/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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:dealwithwhat: Not even some preachy guy on the internet?




that is option #1 sir.  labelling the speaker out of fear.  now what is fear to you sir?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] * 1
    #23642985 - 09/13/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Give it a rest already, peppermint patty.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] * 1
    #23642988 - 09/13/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The significance is that the difference in discernment was made due to a difference in perspective or a partial lack of information.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23643051 - 09/13/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@modestmouse,

that's it!  a partial lack of information.  when two minds meet in duality the significance is that one or both parties are perceiving a skewed version of reality.  so then duality, indicates the necessity of dropping one's image and discerning together, in relationship, to find reality.  relationship is the mirror through which the self is revealed. 

now sir, what happens to the self image when one adopts a belief?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23643062 - 09/13/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@peyotezen,

that is option #1.  fear, which is compulsion.  dance for the speaker sir.  do the interpretive dance of fear and compulsion.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23643066 - 09/13/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] * 1
    #23643073 - 09/13/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

can you clarify "self image"?
Are you referring to the illusion of self?
I would assert that the illusion of self vs the reality of all is reinforced when a belief is adopted, as beliefs are not understood to be provable by mutual perspective/assertion.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23643082 - 09/13/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

DinduNuffin said:
Quote:

TheNatureKid said:
You are a fool.

If you are for real in whatever quest it is, it is a fools errand.

None can hope to understand the truth of existence.




Quote:

TheNatureKid said:
This is just a bunch of shitty, hippy nonsense.




1.  label the speaker out of fear.
2.  run from the conversation out of fear.
3.  drop your subjective barriers and discuss openly with the speaker to find out if there is truly any validity to what is being presented.


seems like a lot of option #1 sir.  how about a little option #3 for the good sir?




Fear is subjective, and not a truth. Hence breaking your code of logic.

You and your argument(?) are a fallacy, built on the belief that your hallucinations mean something.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: TNK]
    #23643120 - 09/13/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@thenaturekid,

a particular fear is subjective.  while fear mechanically is universal.  the speaker is referring to mechanical fear not your particular fear.  put differently, you might be afraid of the speaker, and the speaker might be afraid of belief.  those are particular fears.  fear mechanically is fear outside of the particulars. 

sir what is fear outside of all particulars?


Edited by DinduNuffin (09/13/16 09:37 PM)


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23643130 - 09/13/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

a particular fear is subjective.  while fear mechanically is universal.  the speaker is referring to mechanical fear not your particular fear.




You are a fool if that is what you believe.

Fear, in the nature of the word is not universal.

Stars, galaxies, time and the fabric of itself is not driven by any sort of rinky dink mechanical fear, you believe that us and our whole existence was born of fear? You are a boring one, who lives his life in fear that his actions mean something, while knowing they mean nothing.

Fear is nothing but of the existent condition, but to believe that all matter and force in the whole of everything, is driven by such a thing? Nonsense.

Your cult sounds boring.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: ModestMouse] * 1
    #23643166 - 09/13/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ModestMouse said:
can you clarify "self image"?
Are you referring to the illusion of self?
I would assert that the illusion of self vs the reality of all is reinforced when a belief is adopted, as beliefs are not understood to be provable by mutual perspective/assertion.




@mosestmouse,

the self image being the concept of the self.  it is illusory in that it is affixed static approximations when it is quite pliable and forever flowering if you will.  it is surely not static.  but the i, fearing dissolution, craves permanence.  so it labels the physical capacity to store and review memory and move about environment.  it formulates a self concept to give the idea of permanency.  it approximates a certain image.  that image is built of relative approximations through experience.  i am tall.  i am short.  i am smart.  i am stupid.  i am beautiful.  i am ugly.  i am this and that relative to my experience.  then, the self meets environmental challenges through this image.  are we together so far sir?


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: TNK]
    #23643199 - 09/13/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@thenaturekid,

...not fear is the universe sir!  that is absurd! 

fear, abstractly - meaning away from any particular fear, exists as a mechanism.  one of many mechanisms.  this by no means implies that fear composes the universe.  again that is absurd. 

fear is a mechanism, happiness is a mechanism, jealously is a mechanism, gratitude is a mechanism, pride is a mechanism, anger is a mechanism, the i process is a mechanism. 

alternatively put, 'i hate the chinese' is a particular hate.  hate is a mechanism.  'i fear the blacks' is a particular fear.  fear is a mechanism.  'i am proud of my heritage' is a particular pride.  pride is a mechanism.  'i am the speaker' is a particular i.  i is a process.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23643218 - 09/13/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Then why the fuck is he voicing his opinion. What a cunt


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin] * 2
    #23643229 - 09/13/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Go fuck yourself, sir.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: Great Scott]
    #23643246 - 09/13/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@goldcaphunter,

sir understanding a problem fully is not asserting one perspective.  surely that much is clear.  understanding a problem fully is discerning the integrated nature of all perspectives. 

so we have the left and the right.  standing there shouting from the right is not understanding the whole problem.  that is voicing an opinion.  understanding fully the integrated nature the right and the left is understanding reality.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23643252 - 09/13/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@peyotezen,

option #2 sir?  to run away in fear?  when you're ready the speaker will be waiting.  all you have to do is discern the protective nature of the fragile self image and you will be free to discuss with the speaker.  until then sir.


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: DinduNuffin]
    #23643260 - 09/13/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's his opinion that what he thinks is correct


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Re: THE KRISHNAMURTI CHALLENGE!!! WIN BIG MONEY!!! [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #23643274 - 09/13/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@goldcaphunter,

sir what is belief and what is discernment?


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