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mrmazdarx9
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23537582 - 08/13/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah that's cool What about those ones you use a hoover to suck the air out used for clothes storage? Obviously only for major bulk quantities I've no idea how good the actual vacuum hold is tbh
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23537707 - 08/13/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That would swallow my shrooms No I mean a regular food vacuum bag, but maybe better quality. I got these bags from the EU equivalent of walmart, if I had to guess.
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23537898 - 08/13/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You throw away mushrooms instead of re-drying them?
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: Inocuole]
#23537950 - 08/13/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If I live in a dry climate so it shouldn't matter if they get exposed to air here and there, right? I've never noticed the fruits regaining any amount of moisture from whatever humidity is in the air.
Maybe it's just really humid where your at?
And while i'm asking dumb questions, how bad is it for the dried shrooms to sit in a ziploc if my air is dry enough? Will the small amount of air coming in degrade the potency at a faster rate than if I were using food sealer bags??
And how bad is it to leave them out in open air (no bag) for say a day or so?
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: tombosley8]
#23537953 - 08/13/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If it's not moisturizing them then the air isn't a problem..
Almost none of the things you're mentioning will have any noticeable effect on anything.
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: Inocuole]
#23537964 - 08/13/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Depends on if I get them early. If they get damp, they are gone after ~2weeks in this humidity. Sometimes I get failed bags where the shrooms on the inside are still cracker dry and the ones on the edges are rubbery/semi-cracker so those I redry and test them again. If the shrooms are all rubbery throughout the bag, I won't even bother. They are usually too far gone in that case to be worth the space they take, probably sat for weeks before I noticed them.
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: Inocuole]
#23537973 - 08/13/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: tombosley8]
#23538020 - 08/13/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had mushrooms that sat in open air for like a year, and I gave them to somebody and he said they worked. Granted, he had to eat like 4-5g to feel anything but I mean..
I didn't even like the dude I gave em to, was honestly hoping he might experience disappointment.
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: Inocuole]
#23538026 - 08/13/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I toss rubber shrooms too. If for some reason they got flexy again they're going into tea or the trash. It's too easy to make more
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: bodhisatta]
#23538036 - 08/13/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Some of you tossing mushrooms that are no different from the mushrooms ignorant people keep around regularly. I get it, we're better than that, still funny though.
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: Inocuole]
#23538059 - 08/13/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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My first ever PE lost almost all their potency in a week. I only fan dried them though, which is fucking hilarious in hind sight seeing as it's almost always above 90% humidity here in summer, day or night. I was crushed.
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23542862 - 08/15/16 03:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks to everyone that replied.
I know that putting vacuum-sealed bags inside of a mason jar seems like overkill, but that would prevent new air from being introduced to my shrooms each and every time I opened to mason jar, and I could just open one of the bags whenever I wanted a dose.
I just want to know if anyone has tried storing mushrooms both with, and without vacuum sealed bags, and how much of a difference there was before potency started to decrease?
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Supalemonhaze said: I ain't got enough mason jars I use vacuum bags but it always sucks when they fail and you notice a few weeks after. Constantly have to throw away entire batches of shrooms.
 What I use as you close the lid it pushes out the air you have to release the vacuum by pressing the big button before it opens
This looks interesting, how long have you stored dried mushrooms in one of these? What volume of shrooms does it hold?
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: spor_88]
#23543540 - 08/15/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Those are the same as jars. They don't actually create a vacuum until you try to pull the top off without hitting the button. They have them in all sorts of sizes though. I'd get the fattest one I could find if I wanted to use those.
You really can't use jars when you are growing pounds though. For a couple ounces though, jars are the best.
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: GreenRabbit] 1
#23543557 - 08/15/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The fancier the method you have to store is inversely proportional to how well you grow
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: bodhisatta]
#23555477 - 08/18/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've had great success drying with a food dehydrator, vacuum sealing, and storing in a cool, dry, and dark place. I've eaten boomers over a year old that still kick like a sensei from my vac bags. Although, kind of spendy, definitely worth the investment. Growing is hard work, so make them last. I use my dehydrator and vacuum sealer all the time for things other than this hobby, so that something to consider too.
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: WeavieWonder]
#23555500 - 08/18/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do your bags ever fail? Mine constantly do. It's a great preserving method but it's frustrating when you have to throw away whole harvests.
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#23555523 - 08/18/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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very rarely. My vac sealer has a "gentle" cycle which sucks the air out more slowly, which seems to make the bags less prone to puncture. Also the size of the bag is important. Leave yourself plenty of room. If I do come across a punctured bag, it's usually within 2-3 days after sealing, so no big deal. Quantity also seems to make a difference too. I have best results with an ounce or less per bag. Putting a pound in one bag would be kind of silly as I usually do not consume that much in one go. usually.
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: WeavieWonder]
#23555540 - 08/18/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Might just be my bags that suck then. There's no telling when they are gonna fail, could be a few days, could be a couple of months. How much I fill them depends on what size my grow is or if I have multiple grows of the same variety going. I just seal the entire harvest in the same bag so if that happens to be a monotub that did fairly well, Iend up having quite a big bag.
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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: spor_88] 1
#26585249 - 04/07/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I grew mushrooms in the late 70s, early 80s and had problems with potency depletion with dried mushrooms. I tried canning fresh mushrooms in one-dose 1/2 pint Mason jars, which worked very well. This was 1983. I had one jar left and saved it for posterity just sitting in the light on my office shelf. A month ago I wanted to have a reacquaintance trip to prepare myself for a hero-dose psychedelic therapy session. I opened the jar the night before and cut a 1/2" off a stem, ate it and drank a sip of the water just to make sure it didn't make me sick. The aroma and taste were the same as when they were first canned. I had no ill effect, so the next day I took them out to a state park, finished off the jar and took off on a hike. An hour in the effect hit and was just as potent as they had been 38 years ago. The trip lasted a good 6 hours or more.
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