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Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods.
    #23533591 - 08/12/16 03:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hi Guys,

I'm unsure if this is the correct area of the forum to post this, so please feel free to move if necessary.

I have read through a lot of older posts, and I haven't been able to get any concrete answers.  Basically, I want to know what would be the most efficient way of preserving potency (particularly in relation to P. Semilanceata - RIP 5 ounce over 2 years :frown: ).  Hopefully, if all of the relevant information can be contained in a single thread, it will save people a lot of time sifting through older posts - and, for my own greedy agenda; hopefully, I can save my little fungal buddies from the embarrassment of the slow onset of impotence that comes with old age.

So far, it seems like subjecting the fruit to a period of fan drying, before extracting any remaining moisture using a food dehydrator (set to a temperature of around 35°C/95°F) to achieve a state of "cracker dry" is paramount to their longevity.  I assume this is more efficient, and more hassle-free, than using a desiccant chamber, and therefor justifies the extra cash spent on purchasing a food dehydrator.  I don't want to spark another desiccant vs dehydrator debate - so unless someone has a really good reason not to, then I think I'll fork out the cash for this.

The part that I can't seem to find a definitive answer on is the storage of dried mushrooms.  There seems to be many different ways to do this.  So maybe someone with more experience can help here.  So far, I've read about vacuum sealers, freezing, vacuum containers, zip-lock bags and just straight up air-tight mason jars in a cool, dark place.

To me, it seems like the most efficient way would be to vacuum-seal small quantities, then store in small air-tight mason jars, with a desiccant packet or two.  (Also, a quick question on this... where would the desiccant packet be placed?  In the vacuum sealed bag with the mushrooms, or just in the mason jar?)

Others have said, that a vacuum sealer is unnecessary, and that putting the mushrooms in a couple of zip-lock bags, removing as much air as possible before closing , and then into a mason jar is sufficient. 

It seems like the first method would be more efficient - but by how much? 
Would it warrant the money spent on getting a vacuum sealer, or would the shelf-life be pretty similar?
Is freezing wise?  Would this be better than the other methods, or is it over-kill/risky?
How long is it possible to preserve mushrooms (esp. liberty caps, since they are purely psilocybin, which is more stable)?

Thanks in advance for any help, sorry if it's a long read, but I wanted to include everything.


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: spor_88]
    #23533865 - 08/12/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Fan drying sucks balls and it's completely unneccesary and even pointless to do if you have a dehydrator. Harvest shrooms, fill dehydrator, turn the knob to highest heat setting, wait. Once cracker dry, seal in an airtight container or vacuum bag.

The key to preserving potency is fast drying. Wet shrooms lose potency quick, I've had good PE lose potency almost completely after spending a week damp. Heat will not damage the actives in case you were worrying about that, on the contrary, it helps. When your shrooms reach a certain temperature, the enzymes that break down the mushroom and the actives with it will stop working. That and the fact that nothing gets it done faster than a dehydrator makes it the best thing to use.

PS. I just skimmed your first few sentences.


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: spor_88]
    #23533899 - 08/12/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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To me, it seems like the most efficient way would be to vacuum-seal small quantities, then store in small air-tight mason jars, with a desiccant packet or two.  (Also, a quick question on this... where would the desiccant packet be placed?  In the vacuum sealed bag with the mushrooms, or just in the mason jar?)

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How long is it possible to preserve mushrooms (esp. liberty caps, since they are purely psilocybin, which is more stable)?





To the first point,

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I would advise against homemade desiccant packets. Its not necessary to include them at all, even store bought ones. Once you get them cracker dry, they will stay that way in a sealed container.




To the second point, years; though it remains unclear how many years, precisely.

Also, what do you mean "esp. liberty caps, since they are purely psilocybin, which is more stable"? Where did you come by this information?


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23534445 - 08/12/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well psilocybin is more stable, and we have general ideas of some of the ratios of different species of mushrooms and their actives but.. I mean... :shrug:


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: h0ldthedoor] * 1
    #23534476 - 08/12/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Mason jars are airtight. Putting shrooms in a plastic bag inside that is pointless.
Just use a jar and throw a desiccant packet it there. It's not necessary if they are truly cracker dry, but if you use a container that you open and close multiple times, the ambient air getting in will introduce moisture that the shrooms will absorb.
You can't really fit a pound in a jar though...


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: Inocuole]
    #23534498 - 08/12/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've been able to maintain potency in the freezer in ziploc bags for about a year. Haven't stored them past that so I dunno how much longer they could go though. The freezer seems to keep them from absorbing water in the bag. I've lost major potency in just ziploc after 3-6 months without a freezer.


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: themadextractor]
    #23534510 - 08/12/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You could just use something actually airtight and they'd benefit from that a lot more than the freezer in a bag that can breath through tiny holes.  Having put a lot of liquids in ziplock freezer bags, I don't trust their seal at all, ever.


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: themadextractor]
    #23534517 - 08/12/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I like making chocolates and keeping them in the fridge. Should have about the same effect as a freezer.

I use freezer bags and store at room temp. Not longer than 2 months though.


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #23534530 - 08/12/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

In that case the chocolate is protecting from most of the chemical changes though.


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: Inocuole]
    #23534689 - 08/12/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I also like chocolate for dosing and preservation.


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: Mycologist217]
    #23535146 - 08/12/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Basically all the ways a noob comes up with to dry shrooms or protect potency are the absolute wrong ways to go about it.

While drying with plenty of heat in a food dehydrator on max or boiling your shrooms into tea works best


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23535232 - 08/12/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Cracker dry, in a mason jar with desiccant or oxy absorber put in the fridge. Still perfect after yr and a half. With no (noticeable) potency lose.


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: tommyg57]
    #23535276 - 08/12/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Why in the fridge just in a dark cool cupboard, I wouldn't store my dried shrooms in the fridge but I guess its preference based decision


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23535304 - 08/12/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Cracker dry. Mason jar no desiccant. Room temperature. Potency retains a year too


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23535322 - 08/12/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Cracker dry. Mason jar no desiccant. Room temperature. Potency retains a year too



How I always do it in a special vacuumed sealed tub


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23537324 - 08/13/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I ain't got enough mason jars :rofl: I use vacuum bags but it always sucks when they fail and you notice a few weeks after. Constantly have to throw away entire batches of shrooms.


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23537415 - 08/13/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I ain't got enough mason jars :rofl: I use vacuum bags but it always sucks when they fail and you notice a few weeks after. Constantly have to throw away entire batches of shrooms.




What I use as you close the lid it pushes out the air you have to release the vacuum by pressing the big button before it opens


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    #23537435 - 08/13/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That sucks for storing a larger quantity though. I buy these airtight "thermos" containers from time to time but at 10euro for a 5L container, it's not practical either. Vacuum bags are the tits for low cost storage but they tend to fail after a while.


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Re: Preserving Potency. The efficacy of different methods. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23537467 - 08/13/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I bought a small one to test how good it is for now its plenty big enough but going on to APE grow next and mono tub or trays in sgfc not sure yet either way I'll need more a or a bigger one


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    #23537504 - 08/13/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I like this container I was talking about because it comes with a tray that is meant to keep your fruits from the bottom so they won't be sitting in water. I use it to throw indicative silica down there and then my shrooms on the tray.



Bulky and expensive though, I've been thinking of trying to find a better quality vacuum bag. Maybe the one I'm using now simply sucks. That would be fortunate :lol: I've thrown away as many shrooms as I have currently stored probably.


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