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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23537722 - 08/13/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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the reproductive cells have the dna of the parents. Its like skin cells, its an argument to  absurdity. If a human is in development, it is a human. a baby cant survive on its own. a three year old would die without people. all of the pro choice arguments are belittling snears,obscuring the issue, claiming science says something when i doesnt for their own benafit

like I said, no values anymore. Human life s now considered cheap unless its right in front of you because of some rtarded idea that high numbers make the individual lss important, or that we are bad and the ecosystem and nature are somehow not



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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23537732 - 08/13/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So far, earth like hasnt meant life. We have methods that could detect the presence of certain organic materials from light waves or something im sure.





now just what kind of equipment do we have that can detect carbon that's hundreds of
millions of miles from us through light waves?

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I know they are lightyears away, and we would be seeing deep into the past, but we find nothing




because we're not yet advanced enough in our technology to be able to see


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23537748 - 08/13/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You cant prove a negative
if i see evidence Ill change my mind
just because it intuitive that we arent alone doesnt make it so. alot of things are counterintuitive.

Id rather there be other life so humans could have another sentient creature to relate to.

they are about to put out that new unfolding telescope, so we will see what comes of that. They can determine alot from light. there re sure to be bioligical signatures in an atmosphere we are looking at that could tell us(since we see it, we can examine the light, as all materials have signatures)


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23537841 - 08/13/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I hadn't thought about it like that before always just thought late term abortions were wrong because how I picture it in my head. See I've become resentful of pro choice women saying that if you have a penis, then you should stay out of the debate altogether. Because what I hear is, you can side with pro choice women but not pro life women because not all women are of one mind on this issue, or this is a way of censoring or silencing some of their opposition. But Crystal shows us there is a unique perspective gained by those who are capable of getting knocked up.


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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23537899 - 08/13/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No it should not be legal.

I think the question here is why the fuck would someone wait until the last trimester to kill it?
I can see killing babies in extreme situations but why wait?
I think if someone waits until the 2nd or 3rd trimester it shows they're mentally incompetent and should not be allowed to kill it.

There is no reason at all to kill a baby at 6 or 7 months if it's not killing the mother.
People that can't have kids ADOPT them SO why wait that long and then decide to kill it when someone else could take care of it for your lazy ass?

Then why not kill it at 1 year? I mean if we put it to sleep then fuck it right?
Hell, let's kill some 50 year old with mental disability because they're too much of a hassle.

Your kid gets hit by a car at 7 years old and becomes a burden, let's kill it!

I am not anti-abortion but waiting until it is that old is fucked up whether or not you drug it before killing it.

Ask yourself, how would you feel if your mother wanted to kill you because she didn't want to take care of you anymore?

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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: OfTheVoid46]
    #23537906 - 08/13/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This also brings up the issue with adoption and how that shifts your irresponsible burdon onto everyone else


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23537998 - 08/13/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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the reproductive cells have the dna of the parents.




Yeah, and all my cells have the DNA of my parents. That includes my menstrual cycle.


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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: OfTheVoid46]
    #23538021 - 08/13/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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No it should not be legal.

I think the question here is why the fuck would someone wait until the last trimester to kill it?
I can see killing babies in extreme situations but why wait?
I think if someone waits until the 2nd or 3rd trimester it shows they're mentally incompetent and should not be allowed to kill it.

There is no reason at all to kill a baby at 6 or 7 months if it's not killing the mother.
People that can't have kids ADOPT them SO why wait that long and then decide to kill it when someone else could take care of it for your lazy ass?

Then why not kill it at 1 year? I mean if we put it to sleep then fuck it right?
Hell, let's kill some 50 year old with mental disability because they're too much of a hassle.

Your kid gets hit by a car at 7 years old and becomes a burden, let's kill it!

I am not anti-abortion but waiting until it is that old is fucked up whether or not you drug it before killing it.

Ask yourself, how would you feel if your mother wanted to kill you because she didn't want to take care of you anymore?

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If you read through the thread, you would have noticed it's because a lot of women don't find out their baby will be severely retarded or handicapped until the 2nd or 3rd trimester. Most of the women who are aborting in the 3rd trimester is because they found out their baby wouldn't walk or talk, would be in horrible pain, and might not survive longer than a few years. Therefore, 3rd trimester abortion should be legal everywhere.


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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23538023 - 08/13/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This also brings up the issue with adoption and how that shifts your irresponsible burdon onto everyone else




So you're totally against abortion but also vehemently against adoption, you're a real winner aren't you :facepalm:


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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23538056 - 08/13/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Liberals, always twisting words. A human in development, with its on dna, even if not in the asthetically obvious shape of a human is still a human.

if there are no moral problems with killing babies in the womb, then maybe we should do something absurde like have forced abortions in people who are poor or from overpopulated places. Oh, the freedom of the mother, right. That growing thing in her womb is just a bundel of cells(as we all are)

Im not totally against adoption. People who have kids that they cant take care of are

-shit-

the parents should still have to pay or some other form of punitive measurements would be taken


you are coming from the assumption that being shit is unavoidable, and this way of thinking normalized being a wlking lump of burdonsome shit that rubbs its shit streaks over society.

I go back to my firs point. Unless you are raped, female, you made all the choices that lead to where things eventually go. You could take extensive measures, you could not have sex, but they dont, then they caim men have no rights to 'their body'

well, I got news for you. Half of that baby is mine. Id say that the man is even justified to get physical in threat and action to protect their unborn baby, since the law offers no recourse


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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23538101 - 08/13/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You should actually read adoption profiles online, many families are grateful to the mother for making a sacrifice and selflessly giving her baby up, they view it as a gift, not a burden like you do. Newborn babies are almost always snatched up in foster care, the ones who remain in the system are the ones who are older or have mental or physical problems.

I think abortion is actually a very natural phenomenon that stems from our most basic primal urges. If you look in the wild, animals actually kill their own young or reject it sometimes, especially if the specimen is weaker or disfigured or not up to their standards.

Human parents do this too. Before the days of ultrasound and fetal diagnosis, many parents who saw their disfigured or handicapped kids would be horrified, and would reject it, claiming it was the spawn of satan.

The body is also excellent at self-aborting. Approximately 1/3rd of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. Many times it is because of chromosomal abnormalities, and the body tends to be very good at detecting problems and getting rid of the fetus on its own.

Making parents pay to put their kids up for adoption is a stupid idea, this would just cause more parents to seek abortion or get rid of the kids themselves. There's a reason more and more states are developing "safe haven" laws, where you can drop your baby off at a hospital or fire department or police agency and run away without even leaving your name, it is to prevent parents from taking drastic measures like killing their babies or leaving them in dumpsters. This would also result in more poor parents neglecting their kids or not feeding them properly, because they didn't want to pay the cost for an adoption.

Very stupid idea, it's obvious you aren't concerned about child's safety or welfare.

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I go back to my firs point. Unless you are raped, female, you made all the choices that lead to where things eventually go. You could take extensive measures, you could not have sex, but they dont, then they caim men have no rights to 'their body'




So basically you just want to punish people who have sex. I mean really, that's what it's all about. "You made the choice, so you can't abort." Well I have news for you, plenty of people have sex without the desire to carry offspring. Sex is also for enjoyment, is it not just to procreate anymore.


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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23538159 - 08/13/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Most children go unadopted. Those who put more chikldren into the system burdon society

Murder is a natural phenomenon too. We dont let people go around killoing each other though.

So some people in the past who didnt know anything kiled their deformed children for possibly stupid reasons and that makes that form of eugenics alright? The only ugenics Im for is where people pick mates that work and have kids with people who arent terrible

I have to adress this, as your last three points were the same. Yes, nature is cruel. People can be cruel. That doesnt mean society should condone things that are

safe haven laws are just another way to give garbage people a way out of responsibiluity. Not every child is going to have a loving home. I should be expensive, and if you a have a kid that you cant afford, it should be painful. You didnt have the resources, and resources are not unlimited

These are all state funded things. It is not the place of the state to make sure every child is provided with parents. Its an overstep. That doesnt matter though, socialism doesnt bother delinquents

No. You kep twisting my words and I find it annoying. Having sex doesnt create a baby, nt taking precautions does. You dont know what personal responsibility is, do you? all choices are risks and all risks have consequences. Some children have bad parents and there isnt any institution big enough to fix that anywhere, and it isnt the job of the government


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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23538177 - 08/13/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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safe haven laws are just another way to give garbage people a way out of responsibiluity. Not every child is going to have a loving home. I should be expensive, and if you a have a kid that you cant afford, it should be painful. You didnt have the resources, and resources are not unlimited




Why should you force people to have children they can't afford, children that they don't want, or children that they refuse or can't take responsibility for? That's just a recipe for disaster.

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These are all state funded things. It is not the place of the state to make sure every child is provided with parents. Its an overstep. That doesnt matter though, socialism doesnt bother delinquents




It is also not the place of the state to say what mothers do with their bodies. If somebody is going to die without my kidneys or without a blood donation, you cannot legally force me to donate my kidneys or blood to this person. If they say my baby is going to die if I deliver vaginally, you cannot force me to have a C-section. Ergo, you cannot force me to host life in my womb if I do not wish to host it.

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No. You kep twisting my words and I find it annoying. Having sex doesnt create a baby, nt taking precautions does. You dont know what personal responsibility is, do you? all choices are risks and all risks have consequences. Some children have bad parents and there isnt any institution big enough to fix that anywhere, and it isnt the job of the government




Yes, and what makes you think that abortion or adoption is not a responsible choice? Somebody has thought about the consequences and all the pro's and cons, and paid a couple thousand dollars to have an abortion. Seems like a responsible way to handle an unwanted pregnancy outcome. It would be much more irresponsible to have children you can't afford or don't want or can't take care of.


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Re: Late-Term (AKA [Re: Crystal G]
    #23538223 - 08/13/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They were not forced to have sex. They were not forced to to avoid precautions. Most people in America know what sex leads to, even children. Because the baby is unanted, that  means that the burdon must be put on others? By protecting the child you disincentivise worrying about th consequences. They still should, they are still bad consequences, but not enough.

That is the most selfish, disgusting rhetoric. The baby didnt choose to be hooked up to you, and the blood becomes theis too. It isnt simply 'your' blood and kidneys. You opened your leggs, you take the consequences.
Yes they should force a c-section if a baby is about to be born and will live if delivered with one.

They obviously didnt think if they got pregnate. This whole line of thinking childish and selfish. I woldnt respect an adult as an adult who thinks in such terms about human life and dignity. If you want to treat your body like trash, do so. No matter what twisted logic you use, its still a genetically viable person that you could test for their own unique dna sequence. A fertalized egg isnt dropps of blood dripping to the floor.

If you hook yourself up to someone to give them life support, somehow, you cant just revoke that. That isnt how contracts and obligations work. You cant opt out retroactivly from an agreement. If I had a twin and we shared a liverf and I got the better portion, and drank enough to kill or harm him, i would be responsible and should be charged

Id argue by spreading your leggs you should be considered to know the consequences.

adoption is the least of my worries. Misstakes get made, bbut they shouldnt be normal and acepted as inevitable.


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Re: Late-Term (AKA [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23538242 - 08/13/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

people dont even except developing people as themselves. I hear people who hate kids bitch all the time, like, wow, you hate the meaning of life(not you, hypathetical people i see).

Im being too mean. his gets me a bit sad though. culture turning nihalistic


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Re: Late-Term (AKA [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23538340 - 08/13/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They were not forced to have sex. They were not forced to to avoid precautions. Most people in America know what sex leads to, even children. Because the baby is unanted, that  means that the burdon must be put on others? By protecting the child you disincentivise worrying about th consequences. They still should, they are still bad consequences, but not enough.




Nobody chooses or makes the choice to have a retarded or handicapped baby. That is simply luck, and has nothing to do with responsibility or choice.


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Re: Late-Term (AKA [Re: Crystal G]
    #23538350 - 08/13/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Do handicapped people have a right to exist and to what extent? A high functioning downs getting abborted is differant then a baby missing importand functional parts beng aborted.


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    #23538511 - 08/13/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Downs Syndrome can be detected in the first trimester nowadays, so almost nobody waits until the 3rd trimester to abort for Downs.


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Re: Late-Term (AKA [Re: Crystal G]
    #23538569 - 08/13/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Life begins at conception
Ferteization starts a human with its own dna on the path of life. You can detect arterial sclarosis before birth. The baby is literally already dieing, its already alive

I dont see any differance in killing at any stage. All the arguments for each stage are arbitrary except conception. The ideas of suffering are pointless. Killing something without pain doesnt mitigate the subversion of the will of the individual without justification

I used to be pro choice, but phylisophically, I cant be certain that a future isnt being taken.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23540260 - 08/14/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe you are right and I'm being too idealistic and impractical
Some of it is emotional backlash to the rampent dead baby talk. Where I'm from is pretty liberal, so I hear it now and ten.
Im being a jerk, sorry


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