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Sophistic Radiance said: Didn't they fucking shut the government down over it in 2011?
was Barack Obama on the unemployment line in 2011?
I though we were talking about abortion and how the republicans are cutting the corporate welfare on the state level... who owns the abortion clinics that lost the state funding? I bet it's the same folks making bank selling baby parts
it's crazy how some huge company makes billions and liberals dont balk when that company doesnt pay taxes because they set themselves up an an NPO
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Cosmic_Flame said: Damn dude you really do take the cake and then some. The problem is when those beliefs turn into legislation against women's bodies, which is wrong.
would you like to show us that legislation?
how about this, tell us why it's always a woman's choice and a man has no choice in the birth of a child but he is required to support that child or go to jail if he doesnt. wasnt it the woman's choice to have the child? shouldnt it be her obligation to then care for the child?
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Are you're denying that its a part of the republican party's overall platform?
maybe you should show us on the GOP website where it's part of their official platform
you can also show us all the anti abortion legislation these elected officials in washington have been introducing over the last 40 years
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I apologize for being snarky but its hard to take you seriously when you're advocating so hard for a party that nominated Donald Trump as their presidential candidate and also using the #notallrepublicans argument, it is weak.
lol... the republican party didnt want trump
you really are poorly informed
LOL I cant even..This is exactly what I'm talking about, you sir live in a bubble. I wave the white flag, enjoy your hard headed ways. I'm glad trump is the republican nominee, he's running the party into the ground. All the answers you want are literally a google search away. I'm not going to play the "who posts the most links game" with you. I hope you have a nice day.

and you cant show me the legislation these republicans are pushing that would ban abortion... please, burst my little bubble or all you're doing is talking shit like every other liberal that parrots their favorite celebrity politician
But maybe I dont want to burst your little bubble  I'm not a liberal. You sound like a parrot from fox news.
Like I said I'm
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
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so you still cant provide any links to this anti abortion legislation
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23536265 - 08/12/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont want to, stop telling me what to do
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Sophistic Radiance said: They're not trying to pass anti-abortion legislation. She never said they were trying to pass anti-abortion legislation, it's your own childlike understanding of governance that you are arguing with.
The Republicans know they would lose any legislative battle regarding abortion, and that it would damage them in the elections. They are attempting (and in many cases succeeding) to scuttle laws that protect abortion rights through judicial activism, where they can't be checked by popular outrage.
Yes, instead they will pass legislation that for example, limits the number of abortion clinics to only 2 or 3 within the entire state
who will do this and can you show us that legislation
There's all types of sneaky regulation that would prevent a lot of people from having abortions, such as requirement of parental consent, in North Dakota for example abortion is illegal after only 6 weeks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_abortion_restrictions_in_the_United_States
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/06/18/us/politics/abortion-restrictions.html
These are some very important statistics, of all pregnancies almost 20% ended in abortion, that could drastically affect a population: https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/state-facts-about-abortion-kansas
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
#23536316 - 08/12/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cosmic_Flame said: I dont want to, stop telling me what to do
you mean to tell me you cant
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
#23536377 - 08/12/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said: They're not trying to pass anti-abortion legislation. She never said they were trying to pass anti-abortion legislation, it's your own childlike understanding of governance that you are arguing with.
The Republicans know they would lose any legislative battle regarding abortion, and that it would damage them in the elections. They are attempting (and in many cases succeeding) to scuttle laws that protect abortion rights through judicial activism, where they can't be checked by popular outrage.
Yes, instead they will pass legislation that for example, limits the number of abortion clinics to only 2 or 3 within the entire state
who will do this and can you show us that legislation
There's all types of sneaky regulation that would prevent a lot of people from having abortions, such as requirement of parental consent, in North Dakota for example abortion is illegal after only 6 weeks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_abortion_restrictions_in_the_United_States
a wikipedia article citing a couple of ultra progressive magazines as some kind of evidence and then citing legislation as a result of criminal activity and additional laws that make sure that abortions are safe. that people arent dying... so I'm guessing that you want the back alley abortion clinics at dirt cheap rate, maybe that's what all progressives want. dont you think safety should be a concern
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/06/18/us/politics/abortion-restrictions.html
none of these restrictions outlaws abortion, it just sets time limits, what this thread was started over, what should the term limit be if in fact there should be one.
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These are some very important statistics, of all pregnancies almost 20% ended in abortion, that could drastically affect a population: https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/state-facts-about-abortion-kansas
these statistics arent really anything, a 4% decline in abortion clinics is pretty much all it says and none of these so called restrictions are from the government, they're from insurance companies and the information is covering only one state while it keeps tossing in figures on a national level. that's manipulation and given that the numbers are compiled from sources seeking to increase their funding it's certainly going to look bleaker than it really is and it doesnt look all that bad
now, once more. can you show me this legislation that democrats keep claiming is there
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23536393 - 08/12/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I said that a fertelized egg having ts own dna and being a human in deelopment made it a human
an unfertilized egg has it's own DNA, are menstruation cycles also murder?
It has half the dna of a human. people go from understandable points, to 'fuck babies'. It would be a bit hilarious if not so gross
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23536414 - 08/12/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: a wikipedia article citing a couple of ultra progressive magazines as some kind of evidence and then citing legislation as a result of criminal activity and additional laws that make sure that abortions are safe. that people arent dying... so I'm guessing that you want the back alley abortion clinics at dirt cheap rate, maybe that's what all progressives want. dont you think safety should be a concern
The types of regulations that were done in states such as Kansas, required the clinics to remodel everything from door openings to the sizes of closets, they must also add extra bathrooms and expand their waiting lobbies. They also required the clinics have emergency hospital facilities on location which costs millions of dollars to set up. They were also only given a 90-120 day deadline to complete all of this, failure to do so would result in clinic closure.
Bear in mind that other surgical centers were not targeted, these were specifically made to put abortion providers out of business. That's why there's only three left in the state now.
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none of these restrictions outlaws abortion, it just sets time limits, what this thread was started over, what should the term limit be if in fact there should be one.
None. Because as I said, a lot of women don't find out until the 3rd trimester about physical or mental abnormalities, and therefore there shouldn't be any time limit. Furthermore, insurance should cover abortion, and Medicare and local medical insurance systems should fully cover abortion for low-income women. Otherwise who can afford a $25,000 procedure?
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these statistics arent really anything, a 4% decline in abortion clinics is pretty much all it says and none of these so called restrictions are from the government, they're from insurance companies and the information is covering only one state while it keeps tossing in figures on a national level. that's manipulation and given that the numbers are compiled from sources seeking to increase their funding it's certainly going to look bleaker than it really is and it doesnt look all that bad
Kansas actually had a 41% decrease in abortion. The reason for that is because of organizations like Operation Rescue that have worked to fight for legislation that would close all sorts of abortion clinics. This is from their own site: http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/dramatic-41-abortion-drop-in-kansas-reveals-seven-trends/
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Prisoner#1 said: an unfertilized egg has it's own DNA, are menstruation cycles also murder?
It has half the dna of a human.
I think you need to show us proof of that
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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isnt that how it works? half the dna from the mother and half from the father
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23536451 - 08/12/16 10:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: isnt that how it works? half the dna from the mother and half from the father
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Prisoner#1 said: an unfertilized egg has it's own DNA, are menstruation cycles also murder?
It has half the dna of a human.
This is what we're dealing with, folks. 
Somebody needs to go back to bio and learn what DNA is.
Good one Pris, I didn't even catch that at first
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
#23536467 - 08/12/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: a wikipedia article citing a couple of ultra progressive magazines as some kind of evidence and then citing legislation as a result of criminal activity and additional laws that make sure that abortions are safe. that people arent dying... so I'm guessing that you want the back alley abortion clinics at dirt cheap rate, maybe that's what all progressives want. dont you think safety should be a concern
The types of regulations that were done in states such as Kansas, required the clinics to remodel everything from door openings to the sizes of closets, they must also add extra bathrooms and expand their waiting lobbies. They also required the clinics have emergency hospital facilities on location which costs millions of dollars to set up. They were also only given a 90-120 day deadline to complete all of this, failure to do so would result in clinic closure.
Bear in mind that other surgical centers were not targeted, these were specifically made to put abortion providers out of business. That's why there's only three left in the state now.
other surgical centers are regulated heavily, in one instance in texas it required doctors providing abortions to have hospital admitting privileges, and that they meet the regulations of other ambulatory surgical centers... was this restricting access to abortions? were they wrong to require this? should they not be concerned about the safety of the patient?
Wisconsin also has a law requiring abortion providers to have hospital admitting privileges, again, is this restricting the access to abortions or is it requiring doctors to act responsibly.
maybe you'd like to ignore the reason for many of these regulations and claim they're an attack on abortion clinics when in reality they're an attempt to curb this kind of shit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell
hundreds of women have died as a result of abortions, maybe you feel banks should be heavily regulated but abortion clinics can be run from a van in a walmart parking lot because it's easier access. why shouldnt abortion doctors be required to have the same regulations as other outpatient surgeries
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Kansas actually had a 41% decrease in abortion. The reason for that is because of organizations like Operation Rescue that have worked to fight for legislation that would close all sorts of abortion clinics. This is from their own site: http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/dramatic-41-abortion-drop-in-kansas-reveals-seven-trends/
exactly what legislation are they fighting, government funds not going to abortion clinics? once more, I would like to ask., are these abortion clinics public or private entities?
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
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The point is, its insane to expect one to save evry cell to clone. That isnt practical. Thats like the argument people use against vegans, that even if you eat grains, insets die. there is no karma free way, but emptying out an occupied womb is a pretty firm line.
my friend misinfomed me hen, despite all his schooling
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
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specialpeopleclub said: isnt that how it works? half the dna from the mother and half from the father
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Prisoner#1 said: an unfertilized egg has it's own DNA, are menstruation cycles also murder?
It has half the dna of a human.
This is what we're dealing with, folks. 
Somebody needs to go back to bio and learn what DNA is.
Good one Pris, I didn't even catch that at first
shut up murderer. I know you also eat babies for breakfast with your bacon and toast
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specialpeopleclub said: The point is, its insane to expect one to save evry cell to clone. That isnt practical. Thats like the argument people use against vegans, that even if you eat grains, insets die. there is no karma free way, but emptying out an occupied womb is a pretty firm line.
my friend misinfomed me hen, despite all his schooling
seems he may not have been home schooled, possibly basement schooling
with the janitor
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23536511 - 08/12/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: maybe you'd like to ignore the reason for many of these regulations and claim they're an attack on abortion clinics when in reality they're an attempt to curb this kind of shit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell
hundreds of women have died as a result of abortions, maybe you feel banks should be heavily regulated but abortion clinics can be run from a van in a walmart parking lot because it's easier access. why shouldnt abortion doctors be required to have the same regulations as other outpatient surgeries
It sounds like this guy was doing everything illegally. AFAIK there is already regulation against using unsterile or unsafe equipment for surgical procedures, and any medical center would get shut down if it was covered in feces and bugs like his was. Hiring fake doctors and fake medical staff like he was is already illegal under existing laws.
The fact that the emergency exits were padlocked alone is enough of a reason to get a building shut down, regardless of whether it's a medical facility or not. So the extra regulation is not necessary.
Probably none of his patients ratted him out because he was performing illegal abortions. In the state of Pennsylvania abortion is not legal after 12 weeks, so almost all the women seeing him were second or third trimester. If these abortions were legal then perhaps he would have been reported sooner.
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Fraudulent recording of gestational age and training of staff to manipulate ultrasound in a way that would match the stated number of weeks;[66]
Wow, this is very very interesting though, I had no idea you could do that.
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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specialpeopleclub said: The point is, its insane to expect one to save evry cell to clone. That isnt practical. Thats like the argument people use against vegans, that even if you eat grains, insets die. there is no karma free way, but emptying out an occupied womb is a pretty firm line.
my friend misinfomed me hen, despite all his schooling
seems he may not have been home schooled, possibly basement schooling
with the janitor
who was his mother
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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
#23536543 - 08/12/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: maybe you'd like to ignore the reason for many of these regulations and claim they're an attack on abortion clinics when in reality they're an attempt to curb this kind of shit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell
hundreds of women have died as a result of abortions, maybe you feel banks should be heavily regulated but abortion clinics can be run from a van in a walmart parking lot because it's easier access. why shouldnt abortion doctors be required to have the same regulations as other outpatient surgeries
It sounds like this guy was doing everything illegally. AFAIK there is already regulation against using unsterile or unsafe equipment for surgical procedures, and any medical center would get shut down if it was covered in feces and bugs like his was. Hiring fake doctors and fake medical staff like he was is already illegal under existing laws.
he's certainly someone that stands out in his practices but according to Think Progress, 47,000 women die each year from unsafe abortion practices and even they suggest contraceptives over abortion
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The fact that the emergency exits were padlocked alone is enough of a reason to get a building shut down, regardless of whether it's a medical facility or not. So the extra regulation is not necessary.
for some reason I figure there may be regulations on something like that, it's a shame that no one was inspecting the place for unsafe conditions, I bet of they passed a law about patient safety...
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Fraudulent recording of gestational age and training of staff to manipulate ultrasound in a way that would match the stated number of weeks;[66]
Wow, this is very very interesting though, I had no idea you could do that.
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You guys are way too predictable (I mean that only in a warm and friendly way, BTW).
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