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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23535740 - 08/12/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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There is alot to respond to.

I disnt say it isnt a big deal to raie handicapped kids. Its a challenge to raise any kid. That's why women should be smarter, but they arent.




Abortions and adoptions often occur because of a father's failure to adequately take responsibility for their children. If fathers were smarter, chances are the numbers of abortions and adoptions would be a lot lower.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23535754 - 08/12/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

we dont have the vaginas.
men are horney, you have to controll yourself. do you even know how horney men get?

deadbeat fathers are terrible. a child should have both parents. he state shouldnt support single mothers at all, and in fact, we should discourage it as a society rather then see it as normal.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23535762 - 08/12/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

One could go into what you mean by "both parents" at this point.

I agree about discouraging the single mother thing, especially in teenagers.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23535767 - 08/12/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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specialpeopleclub said:
we dont have the vaginas.
men are horney, you have to controll yourself. do you even know how horney men get?




So what you're saying, is that men by default are so dumb and so stupid, they are incapable of taking responsibility for their own spawn because "durr hurrr me horny."

Perhaps if what you are saying is true, then we should work on sterilizing men who would make unfit parents. Would save a lot of lives, really.


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deadbeat fathers are terrible. a child should have both parents. he state shouldnt support single mothers at all, and in fact, we should discourage it as a society rather then see it as normal.




So you're against abortion and against welfare and against single mothers, so how exactly would this trifecta even work? Because most women who get abortions are single mothers who would have been on welfare.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23535788 - 08/12/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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specialpeopleclub said:
we dont have the vaginas.
men are horney, you have to controll yourself. do you even know how horney men get?




So what you're saying, is that men by default are so dumb and so stupid, they are incapable of taking responsibility for their own spawn because "durr hurrr me horny."

Perhaps if what you are saying is true, then we should work on sterilizing men who would make unfit parents. Would save a lot of lives, really.


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deadbeat fathers are terrible. a child should have both parents. he state shouldnt support single mothers at all, and in fact, we should discourage it as a society rather then see it as normal.




So you're against abortion and against welfare and against single mothers, so how exactly would this trifecta even work? Because most women who get abortions are single mothers who would have been on welfare.



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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23535797 - 08/12/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think both male and female have important inputs

Think of it this way, I prefer men. I dont think being gay is a serious way to live your life. well one cant choose who they are attrcted to, to not procreate if you are of reasonable mind because of it ill most likely be a death bed regret.
its natural to want progeny.

Id pick a gay couple over any single parent.

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specialpeopleclub said:
we dont have the vaginas.
men are horney, you have to controll yourself. do you even know how horney men get?




So what you're saying, is that men by default are so dumb and so stupid, they are incapable of taking responsibility for their own spawn because "durr hurrr me horny."

Perhaps if what you are saying is true, then we should work on sterilizing men who would make unfit parents. Would save a lot of lives, really.


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deadbeat fathers are terrible. a child should have both parents. he state shouldnt support single mothers at all, and in fact, we should discourage it as a society rather then see it as normal.




So you're against abortion and against welfare and against single mothers, so how exactly would this trifecta even work? Because most women who get abortions are single mothers who would have been on welfare.



we are horney, and by nature we want to fill others with our reproductive fluids. we often do take measures not to have children, but we only say yes mostly. Unless we rape you, you made the choice and put the responsibility on yourself. If I get in a car, i accept that people die. accept responsibility

it would hurt for a while, but we have normalized single motherhood and even rewarded it. Its a complicated problem, but ideally pairs should raise their children and work to do so. Its sad for the kid, but their unfortunate stupid mom and, I assume, deadbeat dad that she let between her leggs, put the in that situation. It isnt ideal. few things are. It isnt our job to pay for it


nothing is ideal. Ideals are not real, just like circles


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23535889 - 08/12/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Progeny is not natural for some. Glad you would accept 2 gay parents over singular. Circular reasoning.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23535895 - 08/12/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

LOL one time I drove by an adoption agency with my dad that specializes in LGBT adoptions, and my dad goes, "Why do people have a problem with gay parents? Pfft. I'd rather have gay parents raise my kids. Gay adoptive parents are usually very intelligent, open-minded, kind-hearted, polite, have good manners, impeccable style, they are usually not overly religious, and they're rich! So what's the problem with that?"

:lol: I have to say I agree with him.


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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23535967 - 08/12/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

All abortion should be legal.

That's all I have to say about that.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23535976 - 08/12/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Progeny is not natural for some. Glad you would accept 2 gay parents over singular. Circular reasoning.



It splits the work load at least.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
    #23535984 - 08/12/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Damn dude you really do take the cake and then some. The problem is when those beliefs turn into legislation against women's bodies, which is wrong.





would you like to show us that legislation?

how about this, tell us why it's always a woman's choice and a man has no choice
in the birth of a child but he is required to support that child or go to jail if
he doesnt. wasnt it the woman's choice to have the child? shouldnt it be her
obligation to then care for the child?


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Are you're denying that its a part of the republican party's overall platform?




maybe you should show us on the GOP website where it's part of their official platform

you can also show us all the anti abortion legislation these elected officials in
washington have been introducing over the last 40 years


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I apologize for being snarky but its hard to take you seriously when you're advocating so hard for a party that nominated Donald Trump as their presidential candidate and also using the #notallrepublicans argument, it is weak.




lol... the republican party didnt want trump

you really are poorly informed



LOL I cant even..This is exactly what I'm talking about, you sir live in a bubble. I wave the white flag, enjoy your hard headed ways. I'm glad trump is the republican nominee, he's running the party into the ground. All the answers you want are literally a google search away. I'm not going to play the "who posts the most links game" with you. I hope you have a nice day.

:imout:




and you cant show me the legislation these republicans are pushing that would ban
abortion... please, burst my little bubble or all you're doing is talking shit
like every other liberal that parrots their favorite celebrity politician



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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23535994 - 08/12/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I said that a fertelized egg having ts own dna and being a human in deelopment made it a human





an unfertilized egg has it's own DNA, are menstruation cycles also murder?


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23535996 - 08/12/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They're not trying to pass anti-abortion legislation. She never said they were trying to pass anti-abortion legislation, it's your own childlike understanding of governance that you are arguing with.

The Republicans know they would lose any legislative battle regarding abortion, and that it would damage them in the elections. They are attempting (and in many cases succeeding) to scuttle laws and precedents that protect abortion rights through judicial activism, where the vagaries of judicial appointment shield them from the backlash that would be engendered by going against the will of the people in the legislative arena.


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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Lucis]
    #23536000 - 08/12/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Fennario said:
All abortion should be legal.

That's all I have to say about that.





abortion is legal and I encourage everyone to have at least 1


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23536036 - 08/12/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They're not trying to pass anti-abortion legislation. She never said they were trying to pass anti-abortion legislation, it's your own childlike understanding of governance that you are arguing with.





oh, so it's another non issue that liberals love to push as being an actual issue
to keep women stirred up as if they're about to be victims of some heinous
legislation... how the fuck can you liberals deal with such manipulation, are you
even aware that they're playing you like a board game?

is it just the nature of liberals to lie and try to bury actual issues

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The Republicans know they would lose any legislative battle regarding abortion, and that it would damage them in the elections. They are attempting (and in many cases succeeding) to scuttle laws that protect abortion rights through judicial activism, where they can't be checked by popular outrage.





show us where this is happening on the federal level, I mean, if abortion is legal
on the federal level and legal in all 50 states due to the supreme court ruling on
Roe vs. Wade,  what laws are needed to protect abortion. could it be that no laws
are needed and this is just more political pandering from democrats because they
slipped some rider in a retarded bill that they new would never pass such as
obama's cap and trade bill, a bill that was rejected by the democrats when they
held a majority in both chambers?


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23536049 - 08/12/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They're doing it at the state level by shutting down state-funded abortion clinics. Legally speaking, a woman's right to an abortion is as well-protected as ever. But in practical terms, they are insidiously chipping away at provisions for that right in hope of rendering it meaningless.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23536050 - 08/12/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They're not trying to pass anti-abortion legislation. She never said they were trying to pass anti-abortion legislation, it's your own childlike understanding of governance that you are arguing with.

The Republicans know they would lose any legislative battle regarding abortion, and that it would damage them in the elections. They are attempting (and in many cases succeeding) to scuttle laws that protect abortion rights through judicial activism, where they can't be checked by popular outrage.




Yes, instead they will pass legislation that for example, limits the number of abortion clinics to only 2 or 3 within the entire state, or make abortion legal only within the first 6 weeks (I believe this might be the case for Alaska or Arizona, I don't remember precisely which state though). This of course makes things difficult, since women can be 4 weeks pregnant or more by the time they find out they are pregnant, and depending on how overbooked the clinic is, they might not be accepting appointments for another 2-3 weeks.

And of course, the fewer clinics there are, the harder it is for poor people to have an abortion. If they have to go out of state, they will have to cover travel expenses to go several hundred or thousand miles away, pay for a flight or driver and hotel, since driving and traveling will be advised against under anesthesia. On top of that, abortion costs anywhere from $500 to $2,000 depending on how many weeks you are. And women who are poor are usually on some type of state or local Medicare type program, some of which pay for abortions, some don't. But if you are traveling out of that state or county, you won't be able to have your abortion paid for at all.

So basically, a woman must have at least $2,000 in her savings to have an abortion, if she is in a state with severe legislation and requires travel and time off work to have the abortion. Poor women who are living paycheck to paycheck or are on welfare don't even have this amount.

I actually checked to see how expensive a 3rd trimester abortion is, apparently it's like $25,000 or something. Who the fuck can afford that?


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23536110 - 08/12/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They're doing it at the state level by shutting down state-funded abortion clinics. Legally speaking, a woman's right to an abortion is as well-protected as ever. But in practical terms, they are insidiously chipping away at provisions for that right in hope of rendering it meaningless.





are they state run abortion clinics?

no? so they're privately run abortion clinics... so you're all about some corporate
welfare then, should the states give a few billion to Haliburton, Lockheed and The
Acme Anvil Safe and Bomb company?


so republicans on a federal level are doing nothing about abortion and yet the big
hoopla about these federal elections seem to center around abortion, a non issue
that liberals like to manipulate their ignorant cult with


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23536118 - 08/12/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Sophistic Radiance said:
They're not trying to pass anti-abortion legislation. She never said they were trying to pass anti-abortion legislation, it's your own childlike understanding of governance that you are arguing with.

The Republicans know they would lose any legislative battle regarding abortion, and that it would damage them in the elections. They are attempting (and in many cases succeeding) to scuttle laws that protect abortion rights through judicial activism, where they can't be checked by popular outrage.




Yes, instead they will pass legislation that for example, limits the number of abortion clinics to only 2 or 3 within the entire state





who will do this and can you show us that legislation


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23536147 - 08/12/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Didn't they fucking shut the government down over it in 2011?


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