Home | Community | Message Board

Original Seeds Store
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: North Spore Injection Grain Bag, North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | Next >  [ show all ]
OfflineApostle
Philanthropist
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/12/09
Posts: 31,501
Loc: FL Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 24 days
Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23535027 - 08/12/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not even in terms of the money spent on a preventable outcome?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibletyrannicalrex
Strange R
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/24/03
Posts: 38,323
Loc: subtropics
Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Apostle]
    #23535036 - 08/12/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well money is always an issue, and politics etc...if it keeps a kid/parents from a life of misery I'm all for it.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineApostle
Philanthropist
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/12/09
Posts: 31,501
Loc: FL Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 24 days
Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23535104 - 08/12/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The parents maybe but there's no way to be sure the kid isn't being kept from experiencing a good life. Adoption is always an option.

Ideally, people should just use birth control or condoms to prevent a life of responsi... misery.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23535114 - 08/12/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
Yes, yes, and double fucking yes.

That's the extent of my input on this conversation cause all you Americans are gonna get involved and turn this into a 30 page extravaganza now...




:sorry:


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinegoldcaphunter
EMS Medic
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/29/12
Posts: 7,432
Loc: Massachusetts Flag
Last seen: 3 years, 2 months
Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23535139 - 08/12/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Aaaaannnnd congratulations Crystal....

THE PUBS ABOMINATION THREAD AWARD OF THE YEAR GOES TO YOU :lol:

But seriously not as bad as the trump threads... So far.

Kill all the babies. FUCK EM ALL.


--------------------

The picture to the far left is a reminder to our users to stay safe and healthy, that's my third open heart surgery due to over use of amps. Stay safe kiddos :wink:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblenooneman
Male

Registered: 04/24/09
Posts: 14,568
Loc: Utah
Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Apostle]
    #23535168 - 08/12/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, sure, it's preventable, but people are wildly irresponsible, and three people (mother, father, and child) shouldn't have to suffer for their entire lives just because of one wildly irresponsible decision made on one random day out of their whole fucking lives. That's not to even mention the costs to the families of the mother and father who have to support the young parents, or the costs to society as the parents don't have time to get better jobs or a better education etc. And with both parents working shitty dead end jobs with no chance for advancement spending all their time trying to keep a child alive, they're going to be so burned out that they're going to provide that child with a really shitty childhood. In the name of "saving" "life" you're actually ruining the lives of multiple generations of entire families.

Death is a very natural process especially for babies which die quite frequently of natural causes. This isn't some "violation of life." Babies less than a year old are barely even alive and they die on their own without any help from anyone quite easily and commonly.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineApostle
Philanthropist
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/12/09
Posts: 31,501
Loc: FL Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 24 days
Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: nooneman]
    #23535196 - 08/12/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I honestly don't mind one way or the other but i can't see it as anything but a literal violation of life.

If you kill a pregnant woman(even early stage) you are charged with double homicide.
Why then, is it not considered murder in the case of abortion.
My biggest issue is the mental gymnastics those who abort use to paint it as anything but murder.

As far as abortion itself, i am not really affected or passionate enough about it to want to see it abolished. I do think it gets abused as a form of birth control and that we should better educate young adults and maybe provide free actual birth control to young women.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Apostle]
    #23535204 - 08/12/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's about a woman's right to make decisions which concern her body and her future.

It's as simple as that.


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineApostle
Philanthropist
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/12/09
Posts: 31,501
Loc: FL Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 24 days
Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23535209 - 08/12/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ya i understand that and i agree that they should have the right to murder their undesired offspring.

I just think they should call it what it is.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Apostle]
    #23535234 - 08/12/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Even if you must assign personhood to the unborn fetus, then it still wouldn't be murder, it would be more like involuntary homicide, self-defense... something like that.

Pregnant women should be allowed to abort their fetuses at will under "stand your ground" interpretations of self-defense. I mean having a person in your belly when you don't want them there is about as invasive and intrusive as it gets. If a person breaks into your home you have the prerogative to shoot his ass. I think women should have that same right to decide who gets to be inside of their bodies and who doesn't.


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OnlineManianFHS
living in perverty
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/06/04
Posts: 14,745
Last seen: 5 minutes, 57 seconds
Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Apostle]
    #23535262 - 08/12/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I would vote no. But really I don't care what other people choose to do with thier bodies. They can deal with their choices when the time comes. But I do believe a baby is pretty much a life in the womb, and I personally wouldn't terminate unless my wife's life was in danger, and as a result we had no other choice.

My viewpoint changed recently after seeing my baby on an ultrasound screen. Jumping around at 10 weeks in there. So yeah like I said do what you want I guess that's between you and God (if you believe in a god). I'd rather not be ending lives that would otherwise survive and get a chance to experience how awesome life on earth is.


--------------------
notapillow said: "you are going about this endeavor all wrong. clear your mind of useless fear and concern. buy the ticket, take the ride, and all that.... "

ChrisWho said: "It's all about the journey, not the destination."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineVisionary Tools
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/23/07
Posts: 7,953
Last seen: 1 year, 7 months
Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: ManianFH]
    #23535266 - 08/12/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What I don't get is that it is legal, but the moment the baby is out of the womb, even if the umbilicial is still attached, murdering it is illegal.

Unless it threatens a cop :trolldance:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespecialpeopleclub
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/10/14
Posts: 5,584
Loc: Mitten
Last seen: 3 years, 7 months
Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: ManianFH]
    #23535269 - 08/12/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Sophistic Radiance said:
Even if you must assign personhood to the unborn fetus, then it still wouldn't be murder, it would be more like involuntary homicide, self-defense... something like that.

Pregnant women should be allowed to abort their fetuses at will under "stand your ground" interpretations of self-defense. I mean having a person in your belly when you don't want them there is about as invasive and intrusive as it gets. If a person breaks into your home you have the prerogative to shoot his ass. I think women should have that same right to decide who gets to be inside of their bodies and who doesn't.



the women put the person there
she spread her legs
it literally is a person. The only way it isnt is if you interperate personhood in some sort of wrong way because of the lack of human like features, which a ltae term aborted baby would defenately have.
Quote:

mick said:
I would vote no. But really I don't care what other people choose to do with thier bodies. They can deal with their choices when the time comes. But I do believe a baby is pretty much a life in the womb, and I personally wouldn't terminate unless my wife's life was in danger, and as a result we had no other choice.

My viewpoint changed recently after seeing my baby on an ultrasound screen. Jumping around at 10 weeks in there. So yeah like I said do what you want I guess that's between you and God (if you believe in a god). I'd rather not be ending lives that would otherwise survive and get a chance to experience how awesome life on earth is.



they arent doing it 'to their bodies', they are doing it to their developing baby


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCrystal G
I'm a teapot


Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 8 months, 6 days
Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Apostle]
    #23535377 - 08/12/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Apostle said:
The parents maybe but there's no way to be sure the kid isn't being kept from experiencing a good life. Adoption is always an option.





A lot of parents who abort in the third trimester would have been giving birth to handicapped, retarded, or mentally ill children. What are the odds that adoption is a good option for them?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibletyrannicalrex
Strange R
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/24/03
Posts: 38,323
Loc: subtropics
Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23535428 - 08/12/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

nooneman said:
Yeah, sure, it's preventable, but people are wildly irresponsible, and three people (mother, father, and child) shouldn't have to suffer for their entire lives just because of one wildly irresponsible decision made on one random day out of their whole fucking lives. That's not to even mention the costs to the families of the mother and father who have to support the young parents, or the costs to society as the parents don't have time to get better jobs or a better education etc. And with both parents working shitty dead end jobs with no chance for advancement spending all their time trying to keep a child alive, they're going to be so burned out that they're going to provide that child with a really shitty childhood. In the name of "saving" "life" you're actually ruining the lives of multiple generations of entire families.

Death is a very natural process especially for babies which die quite frequently of natural causes. This isn't some "violation of life." Babies less than a year old are barely even alive and they die on their own without any help from anyone quite easily and commonly.



My point exactly!

Quote:

Apostle said:
I honestly don't mind one way or the other but i can't see it as anything but a literal violation of life.

If you kill a pregnant woman(even early stage) you are charged with double homicide.
Why then, is it not considered murder in the case of abortion.
My biggest issue is the mental gymnastics those who abort use to paint it as anything but murder.

As far as abortion itself, i am not really affected or passionate enough about it to want to see it abolished. I do think it gets abused as a form of birth control and that we should better educate young adults and maybe provide free actual birth control to young women.



Agreed, but you really want that "murder" title don't you? It's like some people not wanting same sex marriage to be called "marriage" to me,lol.

Quote:

Sophistic Radiance said:
Even if you must assign personhood to the unborn fetus, then it still wouldn't be murder, it would be more like involuntary homicide, self-defense... something like that.

Pregnant women should be allowed to abort their fetuses at will under "stand your ground" interpretations of self-defense. I mean having a person in your belly when you don't want them there is about as invasive and intrusive as it gets. If a person breaks into your home you have the prerogative to shoot his ass. I think women should have that same right to decide who gets to be inside of their bodies and who doesn't.



Never thought about it this way, interesting facet.

Quote:

specialpeopleclub said:
Quote:

Sophistic Radiance said:
Even if you must assign personhood to the unborn fetus, then it still wouldn't be murder, it would be more like involuntary homicide, self-defense... something like that.

Pregnant women should be allowed to abort their fetuses at will under "stand your ground" interpretations of self-defense. I mean having a person in your belly when you don't want them there is about as invasive and intrusive as it gets. If a person breaks into your home you have the prerogative to shoot his ass. I think women should have that same right to decide who gets to be inside of their bodies and who doesn't.



the women put the person there
she spread her legs
it literally is a person. The only way it isnt is if you interperate personhood in some sort of wrong way because of the lack of human like features, which a ltae term aborted baby would defenately have.
Quote:

mick said:
I would vote no. But really I don't care what other people choose to do with thier bodies. They can deal with their choices when the time comes. But I do believe a baby is pretty much a life in the womb, and I personally wouldn't terminate unless my wife's life was in danger, and as a result we had no other choice.

My viewpoint changed recently after seeing my baby on an ultrasound screen. Jumping around at 10 weeks in there. So yeah like I said do what you want I guess that's between you and God (if you believe in a god). I'd rather not be ending lives that would otherwise survive and get a chance to experience how awesome life on earth is.



they arent doing it 'to their bodies', they are doing it to their developing baby



Ah I get what your point is now, "murder" is murder.

Quote:

mick said:
I would vote no. But really I don't care what other people choose to do with thier bodies. They can deal with their choices when the time comes. But I do believe a baby is pretty much a life in the womb, and I personally wouldn't terminate unless my wife's life was in danger, and as a result we had no other choice.

My viewpoint changed recently after seeing my baby on an ultrasound screen. Jumping around at 10 weeks in there. So yeah like I said do what you want I guess that's between you and God (if you believe in a god). I'd rather not be ending lives that would otherwise survive and get a chance to experience how awesome life on earth is.



Agreed, in certain circumstances. I still see nothing wrong in it. You are going to be an awesome parent though, and that would drastically change my POV if I got that far.

Quote:

Crystal G said:
Quote:

Apostle said:
The parents maybe but there's no way to be sure the kid isn't being kept from experiencing a good life. Adoption is always an option.





A lot of parents who abort in the third trimester would have been giving birth to handicapped, retarded, or mentally ill children. What are the odds that adoption is a good option for them?



Stellar points!


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespecialpeopleclub
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/10/14
Posts: 5,584
Loc: Mitten
Last seen: 3 years, 7 months
Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23535448 - 08/12/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Its a serious subject. Liberals and those who choose the side of deviancy have no concept of these things because everything is relative, nhialism is the name of the game, and everything is about making things easy. Fuck raising my handicapped kid, Ill just kill it. life is ifficuly, you dont kill challenges

"murder" is murder
no, murder is a legal term. i isnt murder, it is homicide. you are killing a person. it is just a justified, or "justified" killing


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCrystal G
I'm a teapot


Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 8 months, 6 days
Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23535483 - 08/12/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

specialpeopleclub said:
Its a serious subject. Liberals and those who choose the side of deviancy have no concept of these things because everything is relative, nhialism is the name of the game, and everything is about making things easy. Fuck raising my handicapped kid, Ill just kill it. life is ifficuly, you dont kill challenges

"murder" is murder
no, murder is a legal term. i isnt murder, it is homicide. you are killing a person. it is just a justified, or "justified" killing




You're ignorant if you think raising a handicapped kid is no big deal.

There are some deformities where doctors predict that the baby will not survive past 2 years. Or that the baby will be in immense pain for all of its life, and won't even be comfortable enough to sleep. Or the child is brain dead and has holes in its brain.

These aren't "minor" disabilities, like simply missing a leg or having a cleft lip or a hunched spine, these are ones where they will need constant 24/7 care to even shower or eat or move their bodies, and they are in such bad pain they can't even sleep. And that's not just while they're babies, but for the rest of their adult lives until they become old and die too.

But yeah, it's just "no big deal," parents should birth and raise them anyway even knowing these facts. :cookiemonster: :rolleyes:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineReposadoXochipilli
Here, there, inbetween
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/30/05
Posts: 7,501
Loc: Sand and sunshine
Last seen: 20 days, 1 hour
Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23535491 - 08/12/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

there is also an empathy side to that, do you see how handicapped people are treated in society, it literally is the epitome of suffering. even worse if they have the faculty to realize that 99% of the world will only engage them with pity or abusive situations.

having grown up with close family being extra chromosomes and another autistic i know the difficulties of caring and providing them with a healthy life without excessive funding.

we also live in a culture that will keep someone who's mind has departed this world alive for years regardless of how they are treated. so take killing babies with a grain of salt.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineqman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 9 hours, 16 minutes
Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23535626 - 08/12/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

specialpeopleclub said:
Its a serious subject. Liberals and those who choose the side of deviancy have no concept of these things because everything is relative, nhialism is the name of the game, and everything is about making things easy. Fuck raising my handicapped kid, Ill just kill it. life is ifficuly, you dont kill challenges

"murder" is murder
no, murder is a legal term. i isnt murder, it is homicide. you are killing a person. it is just a justified, or "justified" killing




Could you list the negative ramifications for abortion on society as a whole? 

We have over 8 billion humans on the planet, what should be the goal? 

I don't see any negative aspects to the policy, we still function has a species, our population is at an all-time high, aborting some unwanted children doesn't seem to affect us at all. :shrug:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinespecialpeopleclub
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/10/14
Posts: 5,584
Loc: Mitten
Last seen: 3 years, 7 months
Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: qman]
    #23535732 - 08/12/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There is alot to respond to.

I disnt say it isnt a big deal to raie handicapped kids. Its a challenge to raise any kid. That's why women should be smarter, but they arent.

Some disabilities may be so horrible I could see tat. Killing downs babies and auistic children seems very cruel, because you are killing them. There are levels though, and gray areas.

Population growth is slowing and with aging we will see great die offs in some places. The west already has barely stable population growth, and as lack of education increases in the east, and traditions that condone many children go, that will stabelize too.
That doesnt matter though. I know I want to live, fuck if there are billions of others. The individual has rights, the collective is a contrivence. Its not about the world, and that is another fucked up backward way to see a life.

Nhialism though. I could respond by saying, 'how wold the world be ithout you? maybe you should be killed?'
you probably would give an answer like 'ya, whatever, probably. It would be ok'
Ive had that sort of answer given alot of times


--------------------


Edited by specialpeopleclub (08/12/16 06:28 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: North Spore Injection Grain Bag, North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* DEA Debate Ravus 2,179 13 02/23/04 11:10 PM
by mabus
* pregnancy tests and abortions
( 1 2 all )
spud 2,737 21 02/26/03 02:18 AM
by spud
* long term nicotine quitters
( 1 2 all )
shaggy101 2,606 21 04/01/04 12:51 AM
by FirstAvailable
* People at school are watching the republican convention Phishgrrl 745 12 09/01/04 11:31 PM
by GnuBobo
* My new front I am going republican Anonymous 1,143 10 03/21/04 12:56 PM
by psikooz
* 1 reason for the legalization of pot.
( 1 2 all )
Larrythescaryrex 4,420 21 08/17/16 04:34 PM
by ak47myth
* Flying to school-work etc.. in a Paraglider... Legal? SillyWilly 1,373 8 07/06/04 05:30 PM
by SillyWilly
* legal help? anyone Phychotron 431 3 09/19/04 08:34 PM
by whiterabbit13

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Entire Staff
6,949 topic views. 3 members, 45 guests and 49 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.027 seconds spending 0.006 seconds on 15 queries.