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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23534612 - 08/12/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I would argue conciouness implies life.



consciousness has no real meaning
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But the female body sometimes treats it as a parasite and it can kill the host.:shrug:



a parasite is a differant species. the fact that some things, like differing blood types, can cause the body to have an adverse reaction doesnt make the baby a parasite. If the mother is in danger, that is understandable. That is an extreme cercumstance


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534621 - 08/12/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

so obviously you don't agree with aborting a fetus if the trisomy 21 test shows a defective one?


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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Revok]
    #23534623 - 08/12/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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the idea of society not affording children is false. Idiots who cant afford chidren have them, but people who are somewhat socialized will eventually work if te incentives are there
Id argue the government kews inscentives in an unhealthy way in almost all instances.

I understand disagreeing with my conclusion, but a blasatacist and a zygote are both humans in developeent, its still murder, the viability out of the omb argument is one of the most stupid arguments Ive ever heard. then maybe we should just let compraised babies die

murder is a legal term, so it may not be that. it is homicide, literally



Not if one believes in the scientific facts.



Its not a scientifict fact that that isnt a human./It has human dna, and since a baby isnt a parasite(because i isnt a differant species0, its a human

it literally is homicide and there is no way around that. It has its own dna, not the dna of a single parent, i is a human in development




The skin cells that fall off my body has my human DNA, so what? Someday a lab is going to be able to clone that DNA, where do you draw the line?


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
    #23534626 - 08/12/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Damn dude you really do take the cake and then some. The problem is when those beliefs turn into legislation against women's bodies, which is wrong.



What about when beliefs turn into legislation that facilitates the destruction of babies bodies?


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Apostle]
    #23534665 - 08/12/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I addressed the skin cell argument, its stupid and dishonest

aboring the geneticaly deficient is a difficult question. we abore down syndrome afetal alcohol syndrom babies to the point of non existance, as though the significance of their lives to them in the future is of no meaning.
there may be understandable reasons, but mostly people are just lazy and pathetic. Im avoiding school work right now. lazy and pathetic


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534672 - 08/12/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What's the skin cell argument?


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Apostle]
    #23534702 - 08/12/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I said that a fertelized egg having ts own dna and being a human in deelopment made it a human

he said that since a skin cell can be cloned, what about that? It has its own dna

its a dishonest argument


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534711 - 08/12/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea that's just silly.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534733 - 08/12/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I addressed the skin cell argument, its stupid and dishonest

aboring the geneticaly deficient is a difficult question. we abore down syndrome afetal alcohol syndrom babies to the point of non existance, as though the significance of their lives to them in the future is of no meaning.
there may be understandable reasons, but mostly people are just lazy and pathetic. Im avoiding school work right now. lazy and pathetic



If there is a way to determine fetal alcohol syndrome before the baby is born, I am on board with aborting it to save the life it may/may not have, also the mother would not be fit anyway.:shrug: Both this one and the down syndrome kids are a burden, unless the family is wealthy enough to take care of it and of sound mind/intelligence. Money is a key point in these situations, not to mention intelligence.

They are trying to normalize down syndrome people by putting them on the real world, and also that hideous show teen mom, what a load of BS!


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534739 - 08/12/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I said that a fertelized egg having ts own dna and being a human in deelopment made it a human

he said that since a skin cell can be cloned, what about that? It has its own dna

its a dishonest argument




You're suggesting that the DNA from a fertilized egg has MORE importance than the DNA in the skin cell that fell off my body, why is that?


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23534745 - 08/12/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I also want to add that I have known people with down syndrome kids and they are taxed to their limits mentally and physically, I can tell they are not really happy. Maybe I'm wrong, but it sure seems that way. I bet you given the chance they would rather not have the kid.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: qman]
    #23534758 - 08/12/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You cant save every skin cell. Its a version of 'very time you masturbate you kill babies'

Its like peole who get on a vegan that accidentally drank the dairy milk. Its about doing what you can to protect a potential human life that is developing in a womb.

Its really a stupid argument made by people who want to cause confusion with logic loops that have nothing to do with reality.


I dont think we should normalize those diseases, they arent nrmal people. hey still deserve respect and have experiances significant to themselves

fetal alcohol syndrome can be caused by the father drinking too. It isnt necesarally a lack of responsibility, though, alcohol is an irresponsible and poisonous drug

life isnt about being happy. watch what happens between your leggs.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534763 - 08/12/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Life can be about being happy mostly, one has to take the good with the bad, but one can also avoid bad situations through the act of science, that is a fact.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534772 - 08/12/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I also finally admitted to being gay and acting on my deepest desires at the age of 26. If I had kids when I was 17 (first time) how do you think it would have affected their lives? I was also doing drugs a lot, I was on that path and nothing, not even kids, would have stopped me, so I saved them from a life of misery and myself.

I find nothing wrong with abortion for any reason at all what so ever, even if a woman does it many many times and is a complete whore, I say even better for her in that situation. Why bring the kid up in that situation, or put them in the foster care system? Haven't you read/seen the results of that?
Science!


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23534803 - 08/12/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I also finally admitted to being gay and acting on my deepest desires at the age of 26. If I had kids when I was 17 (first time) how do you think it would have affected their lives? I was also doing drugs a lot, I was on that path and nothing, not even kids, would have stopped me, so I saved them from a life of misery and myself.

I find nothing wrong with abortion for any reason at all what so ever, even if a woman does it many many times and is a complete whore, I say even better for her in that situation. Why bring the kid up in that situation, or put them in the foster care system? Haven't you read/seen the results of that?
Science!



Thats something you will not ever know, as the baby is dead, and you give excuses like most of the rest of us to differant degrees

that last thing you said shows you have no concept of personal responsibility nor the vaue of life. It really encapsulates the worst in america. You give human life no value

To be happy is not a purpose


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23534819 - 08/12/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes.

Quite frankly, I would ALMOST (almost) support killing the baby within moments of it actually being born, if it got down to that. Anything before that is fine.

Less than one month old babies are barely alive in any recognizable form. They require 24 hour care and can do absolutely nothing. Often they just die all on their own for no good reason. Other times really minor innocent shit kills them. Often times they can't even figure out how to even fucking eat because they're so wildly incompetent and barely even alive in any meaningful sense.

Anyone who gets all squeamish and angry about abortion is kindof a thin skinned pussy. Like, the fact that they can't handle that someone somewhere might get an abortion is just a totally thin skinned pussy move.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: nooneman]
    #23534901 - 08/12/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It isnt about being thin skinned. Its about taking responsibility, one of the many virtues that my genoration doesnt have

no shame, no reverence for humanity

so, if you cant take care of yourself, you have no meaning? right. Thats a well thought out position.

barely alive in a meaningful sense? They literally are alive, and developing from the moment its born. They can see arterial sclarosis on foetuses. They are already dieing in the womb

If human life doesnt matter, literally nothing does.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534972 - 08/12/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I also finally admitted to being gay and acting on my deepest desires at the age of 26. If I had kids when I was 17 (first time) how do you think it would have affected their lives? I was also doing drugs a lot, I was on that path and nothing, not even kids, would have stopped me, so I saved them from a life of misery and myself.

I find nothing wrong with abortion for any reason at all what so ever, even if a woman does it many many times and is a complete whore, I say even better for her in that situation. Why bring the kid up in that situation, or put them in the foster care system? Haven't you read/seen the results of that?
Science!



Thats something you will not ever know, as the baby is dead, and you give excuses like most of the rest of us to differant degrees

that last thing you said shows you have no concept of personal responsibility nor the vaue of life. It really encapsulates the worst in america. You give human life no value

To be happy is not a purpose



Excuses or not I did not attack or judge you for what you were stating, you just did that to me, it's ok though.:grin: I give human life great value if that human is a kind, productive human. I have a great deal of personal responsibility, and that is why it was best to not have the kid(s) in my life, it would have turned out very badly. That was the most responsible thing for me to do for the good of my life and everyone else around me.

Being happy comes and goes. Peaks and valleys man.:grin:


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534987 - 08/12/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It isnt about being thin skinned. Its about taking responsibility,.



This.

Abortion has become a form of Birth Control and that should be an obvious problem whether u are pro-choice or not.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Apostle]
    #23535013 - 08/12/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see it as a problem.:shrug:


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