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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534217 - 08/12/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Only to save the mother, I voted

Once a women opens her legs, she looses autonomy of her uterus. A new sequence of dna is created,it has the potential under natural cercumstances(as opposed to cloning) to develope an identity(which animals cant do)

thousands of babies are aborted every day. Its fucking disgusting, I suppose life and people are fucking disgusting though. I hear peple go on about how unimportant human life is, how we are animals. thanks secular materialism, really appriciate the injection of nhialism into the culture

if you get an abortion, fuck you, you should be in prison. I just watched this travesty of liberal garbage called the Knick that had a long running pro abortion romance of a pair aborting babies for money in the 20's Its beyond disturbing how little babies mean




Abortion isn't a liberal idea, early humans practiced infanticide for tribal survival, that's a conservative practice.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
    #23534220 - 08/12/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Damn dude you really do take the cake and then some. The problem is when those beliefs turn into legislation against women's bodies, which is wrong.





would you like to show us that legislation?

how about this, tell us why it's always a woman's choice and a man has no choice
in the birth of a child but he is required to support that child or go to jail if
he doesnt. wasnt it the woman's choice to have the child? shouldnt it be her
obligation to then care for the child?


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Are you're denying that its a part of the republican party's overall platform?




maybe you should show us on the GOP website where it's part of their official platform

you can also show us all the anti abortion legislation these elected officials in
washington have been introducing over the last 40 years


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I apologize for being snarky but its hard to take you seriously when you're advocating so hard for a party that nominated Donald Trump as their presidential candidate and also using the #notallrepublicans argument, it is weak.




lol... the republican party didnt want trump

you really are poorly informed


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: qman]
    #23534234 - 08/12/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Conservative in the sense that we did it a long time ago, but not traditionally conservative in our current culteral context.

conservative or not, its a fucking evil practice. we dont do it for survivl, we do it because some people are irresponsible, especially women, considering it's their uterus


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23534257 - 08/12/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Cosmic_Flame said:
Damn dude you really do take the cake and then some. The problem is when those beliefs turn into legislation against women's bodies, which is wrong.





would you like to show us that legislation?

how about this, tell us why it's always a woman's choice and a man has no choice
in the birth of a child but he is required to support that child or go to jail if
he doesnt. wasnt it the woman's choice to have the child? shouldnt it be her
obligation to then care for the child?


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Are you're denying that its a part of the republican party's overall platform?




maybe you should show us on the GOP website where it's part of their official platform

you can also show us all the anti abortion legislation these elected officials in
washington have been introducing over the last 40 years


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I apologize for being snarky but its hard to take you seriously when you're advocating so hard for a party that nominated Donald Trump as their presidential candidate and also using the #notallrepublicans argument, it is weak.




lol... the republican party didnt want trump

you really are poorly informed



LOL I cant even..This is exactly what I'm talking about, you sir live in a bubble. I wave the white flag, enjoy your hard headed ways. I'm glad trump is the republican nominee, he's running the party into the ground. All the answers you want are literally a google search away. I'm not going to play the "who posts the most links game" with you. I hope you have a nice day.

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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534301 - 08/12/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The statistics that are cited about abortion and crime are unconvincing since crime was going don before that for other reasons
Its just another way for thye unthinking delinquents to not take responsibility

parents who have iids they cant tak care of, afford, deserve jail
women who have abortions should have their right to consent revoked

liberals always try to over play the 'it ist a human' or 'its just goo' thing. Its beyond disgusting. It has distinct dna, and can become a person if the mom isnt an irresponsibe entitled bitch who thinks her womb isnt occupied. Thankfuly half of women have some sense and are against this

once you spread your leggs you are giving up autonomy of your womb.



And I totally disagree with you. I have been through 3 that I know of and thank my lucky stars I never had to raise them. I was on a certain path and who knows what those kids may have turned out like. I am not a MENSA person but am fairly intelligent. I feel like most people that have kids do so because they think they should, they have no real reason(s).

Realistically most people are of average intelligence and not very set financially. These are key elements to having happy productive humans integrate into society. I'm not saying they are the ONLY things, but they certainly help a great deal. Abortions have been going on for centuries and I think science that they have finally made them as safe as possible these days. Trisomy 21 test is there for a reason. Yes some people abuse the system of it, but by and large it is a "godsend" (heh, couldn't help it) to have the technology to safely (mostly) abort fetuses. It has saved countless lives on several facets of the issue.

Do you think by some "miracle" that a person like the honey boo boo variety will have a kid(s) and they will go on to win the nobel prize and cure cancer etc...??? One has to have the intelligence born into them in the first place from superior genetics to even begin that process.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23534363 - 08/12/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

they probably wont go o to do that.. who knows though.
Its still baby killing. It isnt average intelegence peole who have them, its pieces of immoral shit

tgats america now though. freedom is edonism and left is right. Nothing means anythig and killing babies is ok
cant eat a cat legally, but you can buy a burger and kil your baby in the same afternoon

early abortions have been done similarly for a long time
dialate, scrape

if its that bad, put it up for adoption and burdon another person. ou are only a piece of shit that burdons society then, not a baby killer


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534382 - 08/12/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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they probably wont go o to do that.. who knows though.
Its still baby killing. It isnt average intelegence peole who have them, its pieces of immoral shit

tgats america now though. freedom is edonism and left is right. Nothing means anythig and killing babies is ok
cant eat a cat legally, but you can buy a burger and kil your baby in the same afternoon

early abortions have been done similarly for a long time
dialate, scrape

if its that bad, put it up for adoption and burdon another person. ou are only a piece of shit that burdons society then, not a baby killer



Well, I do know. If one has no intelligence to work with, there will be none that develops! If you feel guilty about it that does not mean that it is wrong for everyone. It is a blessing of science to have the technology to do it for the good of humanity! It is a god given right to have an abortion!:smirk:


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23534408 - 08/12/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

so, as long as the human is young enough murder is ok? as long as it cant defend itself? Is breathing somehow the arbitrary line pople have come up with?

someties that is true, most of it even, but sometimes you get outliers and pele who see their parent's examle and want better for their lives

If you dont do anything horrible to revoke our humanity, like kill or rape, then you deserve the ability to improve yourself and cherish your life

an abortion sgould come with standard uterus removal and vasectomy for the father if he signed on for it


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534447 - 08/12/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with the last statement somewhat. Sometimes an abortion saves the lives of those who go on to do great things. Sometimes a person born into a bad situation goes on to be a really great person, sometimes, not very often.

If someone with a low IQ or is in some really horrible situation that there is no way out of no matter what they do, an abortion is best. I can see the way you feel about this subject. I disagree. I have been in the situation and can tell you right now I am VERY glad I agreed to it, all parties agreed from the woman to their parents.

Our conversation will only produce the same old arguments and results. We absolutely disagree on the subject. I accept that and know I can not say anything to change your mind. I'm not trying to, but I do like that we can discuss it and put our thoughts on the net for others to see an contemplate.

P.S.
There was speculation that a kid or 2 was/is mine, but I don't think I would ever pursue it. I do wonder at times though. I remember the girls names,so I could go there if I wanted to. I always start thinking about it when this subject comes up.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534525 - 08/12/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Conservative in the sense that we did it a long time ago, but not traditionally conservative in our current culteral context.

conservative or not, its a fucking evil practice. we dont do it for survivl, we do it because some people are irresponsible, especially women, considering it's their uterus




"we don't do it for survival"

Not on the surface, but over time having children that society can't afford will in fact kill that population.

If abortion wasn't legal since the 60's, the African American population in the US would be near 40% instead of the current 13%, that's something for you to think about.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: qman]
    #23534555 - 08/12/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

the idea of society not affording children is false. Idiots who cant afford chidren have them, but people who are somewhat socialized will eventually work if te incentives are there
Id argue the government kews inscentives in an unhealthy way in almost all instances.

I understand disagreeing with my conclusion, but a blasatacist and a zygote are both humans in developeent, its still murder, the viability out of the omb argument is one of the most stupid arguments Ive ever heard. then maybe we should just let compraised babies die

murder is a legal term, so it may not be that. it is homicide, literally


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: qman]
    #23534557 - 08/12/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not only the "african americans" but all the impoverished people that weren't lucky in the gene department, not saying that that group is specifically low in genes etc...just saying that stupidity breeds stupidity most of the time no matter the "race".


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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23534562 - 08/12/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

As a Libertarian, I see it as a debate over rights than lives. Sure abortion is sad. But we shouldn't dictate to others over the choices they make with their bodies.

If somebody wants to do heroin, sure whatever, just as long as it doesn't threaten my life or threatens the lifes of other people(this is why we have DUI's as a law).

Most libertarians would be against DUIs plural, but I still don't want my life threatened because of idiots.

I believe you should have a right to do WHATEVER you want with your body, as long as you aren't threatening me or others.

So is abortion a threat against me? No. Is it a threat against others? Define others... Some may suggest that abortions should be legal till the baby is born. I don't care, honestly...

Personally this is just my opinion dont attack me for it. Even if i had a wife that was in third trimester, she wanted a abortion and i didn't, but she got one anyways then i wouldve most likely got a divorce then force a stupid law in place. Either way, you can't prevent others from getting an abortion, even if it is your spouse.


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534565 - 08/12/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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the idea of society not affording children is false. Idiots who cant afford chidren have them, but people who are somewhat socialized will eventually work if te incentives are there
Id argue the government kews inscentives in an unhealthy way in almost all instances.

I understand disagreeing with my conclusion, but a blasatacist and a zygote are both humans in developeent, its still murder, the viability out of the omb argument is one of the most stupid arguments Ive ever heard. then maybe we should just let compraised babies die

murder is a legal term, so it may not be that. it is homicide, literally



Not if one believes in the scientific facts.


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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23534571 - 08/12/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It's propaganda, so they didn't include the shot that they inject into the fetus, causing it to lose consciousness first.



Thanks for the heads up, and here i was ready to think that this procedure was really fucked up.

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causing it to lose consciousness first. The video tries to insinuate the baby is torn limb by limb and then ripped out alive, which is untrue.

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Well unless there is more that you didn't mention, it would still be alive even if unconscious.


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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23534575 - 08/12/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23534586 - 08/12/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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the idea of society not affording children is false. Idiots who cant afford chidren have them, but people who are somewhat socialized will eventually work if te incentives are there
Id argue the government kews inscentives in an unhealthy way in almost all instances.

I understand disagreeing with my conclusion, but a blasatacist and a zygote are both humans in developeent, its still murder, the viability out of the omb argument is one of the most stupid arguments Ive ever heard. then maybe we should just let compraised babies die

murder is a legal term, so it may not be that. it is homicide, literally



Not if one believes in the scientific facts.



Its not a scientifict fact that that isnt a human./It has human dna, and since a baby isnt a parasite(because i isnt a differant species0, its a human

it literally is homicide and there is no way around that. It has its own dna, not the dna of a single parent, i is a human in development


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Re: Late-Term Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23534597 - 08/12/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

But the female body sometimes treats it as a parasite and it can kill the host.:shrug:


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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Apostle]
    #23534598 - 08/12/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I would argue conciouness implies life.


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Re: Late-Term (AKA "Partial Birth") Abortion Debate: Should It Be Legal? [Re: Revok]
    #23534606 - 08/12/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

maybe

but unconsciousness doesn't imply death.


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con·scious·ness
noun
the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings.




So the baby, if merely unconscious, is in fact being torn apart while alive.


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